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bonglebear - what would you have me do for you?honestly if you have something to suggest,let me know!
in the interim,i will correct you on a few items.ryanair do not win all cases,that is the impression that they would have you believe.to keep you from attempting change.in 3 years a lot has happened and there is a lot to be positive about,it is just not readily apparent on a daily basis but have a good sniff around.one can only build a house on a solid foundation.what these foundation components are,you will find much discussion on these topics on REPA - Ryanair European Pilots' Association
i know only too well how frustrating this situation is,but change is possible and i have far from accepted defeat.i see the way forward is in ryanair pilots deciding what they want with their lives and not being treated as idiots by an oppressive management.pilots have to believe that they are worth more as a united group and then strive to achieve that status.
why are you lucky to have a job in this climate?again i hark back to the degradation of self esteem when working at ryanair.continued attack by management at ryanair leads people to believe that they are less worthy.look at yourself and what you have achieved.i believe you and other pilots are worth much more than you believe you are.
in the interim,i will correct you on a few items.ryanair do not win all cases,that is the impression that they would have you believe.to keep you from attempting change.in 3 years a lot has happened and there is a lot to be positive about,it is just not readily apparent on a daily basis but have a good sniff around.one can only build a house on a solid foundation.what these foundation components are,you will find much discussion on these topics on REPA - Ryanair European Pilots' Association
i know only too well how frustrating this situation is,but change is possible and i have far from accepted defeat.i see the way forward is in ryanair pilots deciding what they want with their lives and not being treated as idiots by an oppressive management.pilots have to believe that they are worth more as a united group and then strive to achieve that status.
why are you lucky to have a job in this climate?again i hark back to the degradation of self esteem when working at ryanair.continued attack by management at ryanair leads people to believe that they are less worthy.look at yourself and what you have achieved.i believe you and other pilots are worth much more than you believe you are.
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Bongle Bear, have a think about this. Repa has of course not had much sucess to date tackling the issue of the Ryanair pilots getting gang raped by the management. However you miss the point that its up to the PILOTS themselves under guidance/direction from REPA to address the t & c's spiral dive. Don't you think a group of say 100 Capts who come to the conclusion 'You know what, 
this. We've had enough so lets sit at home today rather than fly our shiney new 738 about........' would perk up the ears of MOL, PB, EW, DOB etc......
FO's are 2 a penny, Capt's have the ability to hurt the rapists.........
this. We've had enough so lets sit at home today rather than fly our shiney new 738 about........' would perk up the ears of MOL, PB, EW, DOB etc......FO's are 2 a penny, Capt's have the ability to hurt the rapists.........
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Low Tide and the Low Life.
I thought I'd caught a whiff of low tide. What an unsavoury little gathering! Didimus, Kretin and CIPO all on the same page.
What they forget to point out in their union recruiting drive, Leeds 65 and 738 Jockey, is that they've wasted a small fortune of other people's money taking on Ryanair over the years and lost miserably every time. They've wasted literally millions of €uro shoving their canary down the Ryanair coal mine and the poor little creature came up dead as a dodo, broke as a badger, and plucked of all his tail feathers.....yet they persist. The Black Knight would be proud.
Never mind that Ryanair pilots have demonstrated repeatedly that they don't want a union, most knowing full well just how feckless and self-interested they are (and those that didn't certainly do now thanks to the REPA comedy hour) but evidently most pilots would rather spend their thousand quid in annual membership fees on something that lingers more favourably upon the imagination than a bunch of failed, malajusted nincompoops who won't take no for an answer.
What they forget to point out in their union recruiting drive, Leeds 65 and 738 Jockey, is that they've wasted a small fortune of other people's money taking on Ryanair over the years and lost miserably every time. They've wasted literally millions of €uro shoving their canary down the Ryanair coal mine and the poor little creature came up dead as a dodo, broke as a badger, and plucked of all his tail feathers.....yet they persist. The Black Knight would be proud.
Never mind that Ryanair pilots have demonstrated repeatedly that they don't want a union, most knowing full well just how feckless and self-interested they are (and those that didn't certainly do now thanks to the REPA comedy hour) but evidently most pilots would rather spend their thousand quid in annual membership fees on something that lingers more favourably upon the imagination than a bunch of failed, malajusted nincompoops who won't take no for an answer.
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Yes, I am 34. I don't like what you stand for, I don't like your attitude and I don't like your smartarse know it all way of talking.
Your terms and conditions are terrible, and are getting worse. Enjoy.
Yes, I am 34. I don't like what you stand for, I don't like your attitude and I don't like your smartarse know it all way of talking.
Your terms and conditions are terrible, and are getting worse. Enjoy.
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Ay, Leo never let the facts get in the way of a good rant. Spent a fortune, possibly, but money well spent. Lost every time, you wish, I can think of a number of victories.Self interest groups, you got me there, give me an example of one Unionized pilot body of comparable size paid less than the poor old Ryan Air lads and lassies, no; we're very self interested and determined to remain so. Ps that bad smell, its your own mate, stop talking through your arse.
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Originally Posted by CaptKremin
BongleBear, the largest union in Ireland - SIPTU - is today deliberating on whether or not to recommend its members vote for the new National Wage Agreement. This agreement contains legislative changes which are designed to blow O'Leary and his bullying tactics right out of the water.
There is no guarentee the NWA will be recommended by SIPTU, especially after a very harsh budget yesterday, but I believe it will pass, on the proviso that the government makes the promised legal changes. I believe they will indeed happen because the country is teetering on the of economic collapse and does not need the chaos of wage strikes.
Thus the writing is on the wall for O'Leary. Give it a few more months - the acts are due in June I believe. Read the thread again, esp my earlier posts.
SIPTU recommends Yes Vote
Date Released: 22 Oct 2008
The proposal for a “Transitional Agreement” to extend for 21 months from the end of last March should be considered against the background of a sustained assault on the quality of employment in Ireland and the circumstances prevailing today.
Basic conditions, which many would have taken for granted until recently, have been under attack through outsourcing, etc. Accordingly, in addition to trying to secure a pay increase for workers across the board, we have to win better employment protection legislation to combat exploitation and prohibit victimisation of workers trying to organise to defend their rights. If we do not remain focussed on this, the unscrupulous element among the employers will enjoy an increasing competitive advantage over organised workers, ultimately undermining security and quality of employment generally. Winning this legislation is an uphill struggle. However, we have made a certain degree of progress in the original ‘Towards 2016 Agreement’ and further advances in this proposal.
Welcome to SIPTU - The Union For All Workers - 2008
Date Released: 22 Oct 2008
The proposal for a “Transitional Agreement” to extend for 21 months from the end of last March should be considered against the background of a sustained assault on the quality of employment in Ireland and the circumstances prevailing today.
Basic conditions, which many would have taken for granted until recently, have been under attack through outsourcing, etc. Accordingly, in addition to trying to secure a pay increase for workers across the board, we have to win better employment protection legislation to combat exploitation and prohibit victimisation of workers trying to organise to defend their rights. If we do not remain focussed on this, the unscrupulous element among the employers will enjoy an increasing competitive advantage over organised workers, ultimately undermining security and quality of employment generally. Winning this legislation is an uphill struggle. However, we have made a certain degree of progress in the original ‘Towards 2016 Agreement’ and further advances in this proposal.
Welcome to SIPTU - The Union For All Workers - 2008
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Hi all,
Anyone still out of work (i.e. on unpaid leave)? I ask because I hear the hold pool is looking to be filled with Cadets for March/Apr 09. Surprising seeing that there are about 300 or so 737NG rated pilots out there at the moment. Surely they would be applying anywhere right now (even Ryanair) for a job right now? What are the true reasons behind FRs preference of Cadets compared to 737NG rated guys? Are cadets really that much cheaper? or is Ryanair afraid that these 737NG rated guys are just gonna run of as soon as something else appears???
Anyone still out of work (i.e. on unpaid leave)? I ask because I hear the hold pool is looking to be filled with Cadets for March/Apr 09. Surprising seeing that there are about 300 or so 737NG rated pilots out there at the moment. Surely they would be applying anywhere right now (even Ryanair) for a job right now? What are the true reasons behind FRs preference of Cadets compared to 737NG rated guys? Are cadets really that much cheaper? or is Ryanair afraid that these 737NG rated guys are just gonna run of as soon as something else appears???
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Capts, FO,s and cabin crew being allocated unpaid leave. at STN/DUB.
Guys n gals with experience (1500hrs+ JAR25) - ex XL, Sterling, SAS etc - cost more money than cadets.
Guys n gals with experience (1500hrs+ JAR25) - ex XL, Sterling, SAS etc - cost more money than cadets.
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Which part of 2 weeks unpaid leave or no job don't you understand?
Try talking to the people at Zoom, Silverjet. Oasis, Flightline, etc
I don't see your precious unions or union members helping them out!
When I lost my job when the company went out of business, everyone else simply carried on picking up their pay check. Did they donate £1 or $1 to help out their colleagues? Did they bollox.
Frankly I don't give a rats ass what any of you think about FR. I get paid every month and the company will not be going out of business before BA, VS or any other UK or Irish company.
Tell the truth: y'all don't give a stuff about anyone other than yours truly.
Pilots? More loyalty in a Bangkok whorehouse.
Try talking to the people at Zoom, Silverjet. Oasis, Flightline, etc
I don't see your precious unions or union members helping them out!
When I lost my job when the company went out of business, everyone else simply carried on picking up their pay check. Did they donate £1 or $1 to help out their colleagues? Did they bollox.
Frankly I don't give a rats ass what any of you think about FR. I get paid every month and the company will not be going out of business before BA, VS or any other UK or Irish company.
Tell the truth: y'all don't give a stuff about anyone other than yours truly.
Pilots? More loyalty in a Bangkok whorehouse.
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i get paid every month unless i am on forced unpaid leave and then i get whatevet the management decides i should get.looks like it might be a few weeks next year,when i have done my 900 hours in 10 months.
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Which part of 2 weeks unpaid leave or no job don't you understand?
company will not be going out of business before BA, VS or any other UK or Irish company.
Pilots? More loyalty in a Bangkok whorehouse.
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i can only assume that he means "unpaid leave or no job",alludes to the fact that if you oppose harsh treatment or stick your head up in ryanair.you will be summarily dismissed.
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I am heartily sick of the REPA contingent shouting their loud mouths off about how cheesed off the are and how things are so bad but yet they still hold out their grubby little Oliver hands every month and take the nasty Mr O'Leary's paycheck.
All mouth.......no trousers.
Airlines are dropping like flies and you are complaining at a weeks unpaid leave?
You really need to get your heads out of your asses and take a long hard look at reality.
All mouth.......no trousers.
Airlines are dropping like flies and you are complaining at a weeks unpaid leave?
You really need to get your heads out of your asses and take a long hard look at reality.
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900 Hours !!
Hi Grim, do you really get almost 900 hours !! Lucky you, that is a lot more than my apx. 550 Hours, diff. is like say 850 - 550 = 300 hours times 24 £ = 7200 £ NET more than I have !! Even 2 weeks unpaid leave and you still get a lot more than lots of your colleges on the smaller bases who doesn't have forced unpaid leave, be reasonable lucky you.
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900 Hours
Even on F/O pay this is worth €67,950 or £59000 at todays exchange rate.
What you moaning about your very well off even at 2 months unpaid.
Its better than no pay at all or unemployment / job seekers allowance.
Why do you waste good band width with your twaddle.
Get a life son, there are many out there waiting for your job.
What you moaning about your very well off even at 2 months unpaid.
Its better than no pay at all or unemployment / job seekers allowance.
Why do you waste good band width with your twaddle.
Get a life son, there are many out there waiting for your job.
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Real Hand Shandy and co......
Ryanair have been reducing our conditions in good times, and bad. And because of your kind will do so for many a year to come.
With regards to your comments about REPA - could try to explain but why waste my time. Hope you are well greased up for the future.
Ryanair have been reducing our conditions in good times, and bad. And because of your kind will do so for many a year to come.
With regards to your comments about REPA - could try to explain but why waste my time. Hope you are well greased up for the future.