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Repa, you really are the ultimate loud mouthed gobsh1te WIMP.
You shout your mouth here, on PPRuNe, but you still take the MOL money.
I fail to understand you: you, and your REPA chums, are going to change nothing. No one in their right mind will join BALPA and pay 1% for the square root of f8ck all.
No one in their right mind wants to see union recognition at FR just to allow the union reps to feather their own nests ( been there, seen that, got the t shirt).
All you have to do is pay ALPL your monthly legal insurance premium and look after #1 because as sure as eggs are eggs, REPA,BALPA,IALPA or any other ALPA will not look after the individual's interests if they can achieve a minor Pyhrric victory.
Now b8gger off and get a life.
You shout your mouth here, on PPRuNe, but you still take the MOL money.
I fail to understand you: you, and your REPA chums, are going to change nothing. No one in their right mind will join BALPA and pay 1% for the square root of f8ck all.
No one in their right mind wants to see union recognition at FR just to allow the union reps to feather their own nests ( been there, seen that, got the t shirt).
All you have to do is pay ALPL your monthly legal insurance premium and look after #1 because as sure as eggs are eggs, REPA,BALPA,IALPA or any other ALPA will not look after the individual's interests if they can achieve a minor Pyhrric victory.
Now b8gger off and get a life.
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Slim,
you still haven't answered my question:
For an airline you claim is more permanent than ayers rock, why is it that you are happy to accept further (illegal) pay cuts?
One more question: is there anything at all ryanair can do to you that would make you shout stop? Exactly how many cuts before you have enough?
Your view on unions is quite wrong re featherbedding. It's mol who's featherbedding at your expense.
You keep talking of taking the mol money. Wrong, firstly it's not his, he's just another employee and secondly, it's my money, owed to me for professional services rendered.
You weren't here a few years ago when fr was hugely successful and treated staff well enough. Thanks to your ilk, we have the current $hit and thanks to bad management, fr ain't successful anymore. Next years loss will make your eyes water.
Turkeys voting for xmas is your problem.
you still haven't answered my question:
For an airline you claim is more permanent than ayers rock, why is it that you are happy to accept further (illegal) pay cuts?
One more question: is there anything at all ryanair can do to you that would make you shout stop? Exactly how many cuts before you have enough?
Your view on unions is quite wrong re featherbedding. It's mol who's featherbedding at your expense.
You keep talking of taking the mol money. Wrong, firstly it's not his, he's just another employee and secondly, it's my money, owed to me for professional services rendered.
You weren't here a few years ago when fr was hugely successful and treated staff well enough. Thanks to your ilk, we have the current $hit and thanks to bad management, fr ain't successful anymore. Next years loss will make your eyes water.
Turkeys voting for xmas is your problem.
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Some context
BBC NEWS | England | Wear | Staff sent home from Nissan plant
BBC NEWS | England | Wear | Staff sent home from Nissan plant
"In the current economic climate every car company in Europe is having 'down days' in the run-up to Christmas, but many are not keeping workers on full pay.
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Camel, I'm not having illegal pay cuts enforced on me. I'm bloody lucky to have a job flying a bright shiny new jet with people I enjoy working with and beng paid a vast amount money to do it. I get a roster which is a tablet of stone: I can plan my life. I don't get messed around.
I've been there, seen it and got the t-shirts: company goes out of business overnight and out of work. Fecked around by another company. Help or assistance by BALPA?? Nope.
BALPA reps signing away rights of members to feather bed their own nests....yep, seen that.
And the current terms aren't due to my ilk: it is due to loudmouths like you and GR who spout on here but who haven't got the balls to do anything else.
I reiterate, you will get more loyalty in a Bangkok whorehouse than you will within a group of pilots in any company: when the sh1t hits the fan you are on your own, so look after number 1.
I've been there, seen it and got the t-shirts: company goes out of business overnight and out of work. Fecked around by another company. Help or assistance by BALPA?? Nope.
BALPA reps signing away rights of members to feather bed their own nests....yep, seen that.
And the current terms aren't due to my ilk: it is due to loudmouths like you and GR who spout on here but who haven't got the balls to do anything else.
I reiterate, you will get more loyalty in a Bangkok whorehouse than you will within a group of pilots in any company: when the sh1t hits the fan you are on your own, so look after number 1.
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Camel, I'm not having illegal pay cuts enforced on me.
You haven't learn yet, have you? A union only works when enough join. Then it most certainly does work. Ask the easyjet pilots.
BALPA reps signing away rights of members to feather bed their own nests
I reiterate that the only featherbedding is mickos at your expense. Open your eyes.
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Camel,
I'm not being forced to take unpaid leave ergo no illegal pay cut.
As for unions, I've been there, seen it had the bullsh1t and zero assistance. You go ahead: pay your 1% and see how far you get. When the caw caw hits fan buddy, you are on your own!!
You and grim whine more than a pair of CFMs: if you don't like it......the door is thataway, close it when you leave.
I'm not being forced to take unpaid leave ergo no illegal pay cut.
As for unions, I've been there, seen it had the bullsh1t and zero assistance. You go ahead: pay your 1% and see how far you get. When the caw caw hits fan buddy, you are on your own!!
You and grim whine more than a pair of CFMs: if you don't like it......the door is thataway, close it when you leave.
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I AGREE with you SLIM
Could not have put it better myself.
Camel and Repa are so wound up in their own self inportance that they fail to see the wood for the trees.
Their only option would be to find another employer if there is one who will have them.
Could not have put it better myself.
Camel and Repa are so wound up in their own self inportance that they fail to see the wood for the trees.
Their only option would be to find another employer if there is one who will have them.
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I'm not being forced to take unpaid leave ergo no illegal pay cut.
Or does it matter if it doesn't affect you? Yet anyway. wake up buddy, it's coming your way next year in any case. The equation is simple: too many aircraft+too few pax+too big an ego in charge = massive amounts of parked aircraft next year.
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Prove to me that the overall result is a pay cut, but that cant be done until next year when the figures for each person working for a full year are available.
If the yearly average (Flt Hrs scheduled) are near the same then there is NO pay cut therefore nothing illegal.
All that is currently happening is a balancing of the yearly hours throughout the workforce, by giving a few extra days off.
In RYR you dont fly you dont earn, however over the year there will be an average flight hours achieved in excess of 800 hours.
If you do not achieve the same hours as last year its not a pay cut as there is no guarantee of the number of hours flown in any RYR contract.
You strike me as a greedy self indulgent child only out for individual gratification, and not genuinely in support of the majority.
We have a democracy in Europe and nobody has to work for RYR, you included. Those who do are there by choice.
Nothing will change in the current climate except RYR will grow and be even more of a force in the low cost market, surviving when others are long gone.
Prove to me that the overall result is a pay cut, but that cant be done until next year when the figures for each person working for a full year are available.
If the yearly average (Flt Hrs scheduled) are near the same then there is NO pay cut therefore nothing illegal.
All that is currently happening is a balancing of the yearly hours throughout the workforce, by giving a few extra days off.
In RYR you dont fly you dont earn, however over the year there will be an average flight hours achieved in excess of 800 hours.
If you do not achieve the same hours as last year its not a pay cut as there is no guarantee of the number of hours flown in any RYR contract.
You strike me as a greedy self indulgent child only out for individual gratification, and not genuinely in support of the majority.
We have a democracy in Europe and nobody has to work for RYR, you included. Those who do are there by choice.
Nothing will change in the current climate except RYR will grow and be even more of a force in the low cost market, surviving when others are long gone.
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In RYR you dont fly you dont earn
You strike me as a greedy self indulgent child only out for individual gratification, and not genuinely in support of the majority.
Nothing will change in the current climate except RYR will grow and be even more of a force in the low cost market, surviving when others are long gone.
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No not management
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In answer to you being paid for 365 days, YES you are if your on a RYR contract, its just the sector pay that you loose for a few days.
This will be recovered over the 12 months and is in NO case a pay cut.
There is no guarantee to the number of sectors offered to you in your contract, therefore you have NO basis to call the extra days not flying as a pay cut.
You are still paid your basic, so wind your neck in.
Think on the positive side for once.
The Euro (€) is strong against the Sterling (£) and over the past few months you have had a 10% pay rise.
Its people like you who give unionisation a bad name.
Be glad if you have a job, many out there do not and they have loans to service as well as wives and children to support.
I think by now we have established that you really dont know or understand what you are talking about, so for the good of this site, unless you have something constructive to say DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
A very experienced pilot with over 36 years in Industry
In answer to you being paid for 365 days, YES you are if your on a RYR contract, its just the sector pay that you loose for a few days.
This will be recovered over the 12 months and is in NO case a pay cut.
There is no guarantee to the number of sectors offered to you in your contract, therefore you have NO basis to call the extra days not flying as a pay cut.
You are still paid your basic, so wind your neck in.
Think on the positive side for once.
The Euro (€) is strong against the Sterling (£) and over the past few months you have had a 10% pay rise.
Its people like you who give unionisation a bad name.
Be glad if you have a job, many out there do not and they have loans to service as well as wives and children to support.
I think by now we have established that you really dont know or understand what you are talking about, so for the good of this site, unless you have something constructive to say DON'T SAY ANYTHING.
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Just to clarify before we continue this endless tit for tat, could someone from STN or DUB base who has been given this week of unpaid leave just confirm. Did they A - receive 3 weeks rather than a months salary for that month ( = in any-one's language a pay cut ) or were they B- merely not allocated any flights for that week and could therefore conceivably lose nothing as they may well reach 900 hours anyway by 31st March
A simple question, a simple answer please from someone who has been there thanks, not supposition, and then we can say 100% for sure whether this is a pay cut or not can't we.
A simple question, a simple answer please from someone who has been there thanks, not supposition, and then we can say 100% for sure whether this is a pay cut or not can't we.
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captplay???
just who do you think you are????
coming on here again and asking intelligent questions before making conclusions???
you'll probably bring this entire thread to a complete stop now!!!!
ha!
(fly safe)
coming on here again and asking intelligent questions before making conclusions???
you'll probably bring this entire thread to a complete stop now!!!!
ha!
(fly safe)
It really is none of my business but I reckon that grimmy and his bactrian pal are actually part of MOL's management team.
It's all a very clever spoof.
They come over as the most miserable b*ggers that have ever walked upon this planet and will absolutely guarantee that no one with half a brain will ever join their glee club.
It's all a very clever spoof.
They come over as the most miserable b*ggers that have ever walked upon this planet and will absolutely guarantee that no one with half a brain will ever join their glee club.
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Reality Check
Camel and Grim,
I will say this very slooowwllyy so that your tiny brain cell can deal with it.
The US motor industry is in meltdown.
The UK and European motor industries are heading the same way.
The global financial giants, banks, insurance companies, lessors are being bailed out by Govts.
Iceland - the country, not the store, is virtually bankrupt.
Retail giants are crumbling.
Airlines are shutting up shop and the others are streamlining, merging or looking for other ways of surviving.
Pilots, cabin crew, engineers and ground staff are losing or have lost their jobs.
Thousands are having homes repossessed.
But you pair of cretins are bleating about a week's unpaid leave so that everyone keeps their jobs and 3 weeks pay!!
I will say this very slooowwllyy so that your tiny brain cell can deal with it.
The US motor industry is in meltdown.
The UK and European motor industries are heading the same way.
The global financial giants, banks, insurance companies, lessors are being bailed out by Govts.
Iceland - the country, not the store, is virtually bankrupt.
Retail giants are crumbling.
Airlines are shutting up shop and the others are streamlining, merging or looking for other ways of surviving.
Pilots, cabin crew, engineers and ground staff are losing or have lost their jobs.
Thousands are having homes repossessed.
But you pair of cretins are bleating about a week's unpaid leave so that everyone keeps their jobs and 3 weeks pay!!
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If I read Slim's message correctly it translates thus:
Yes, Ryanair are docking pay but since the world is going down the toilet it doesn't matter
How about answering CaptPlaystation's question Slim?
S78
Yes, Ryanair are docking pay but since the world is going down the toilet it doesn't matter
How about answering CaptPlaystation's question Slim?
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Yes - It's Unpaid leave for permanent employees.
You will get 3/4 of your monthly salary.
In return you will get 3 days off.
They combine your normal four days off (as we work 5/4) with 3 forced days off to make up seven days and call it a week. Which in my opinion is another rip off.
What you need to bear in mind when something like this happens - the guys in management are bonus driven and to ensure a decent bonus they have to come up with these cost cutting measures.
The truth about Ryanair - they will always try to cut back on your salary. They have been doing it for years and will continue to do so.
Some on here seem happy for this to happen - why, I'm not sure, but it's usually the management or management wannabe type that think in this unusual manner.
At the moment it's only a weeks unpaid leave (3 days off), but this will increase, if it goes unchallenged it will be an easy hit for the bonus minded manager.
No reason why rostering can't squeeze our 900 hours into 11 months.
Not Ryanair bashing....just the facts. I actually like working at FR, but would wish they stopped trying to screw us.
At present we have no means to negotiate with the company. It's a dictatorship.
You will get 3/4 of your monthly salary.
In return you will get 3 days off.
They combine your normal four days off (as we work 5/4) with 3 forced days off to make up seven days and call it a week. Which in my opinion is another rip off.
What you need to bear in mind when something like this happens - the guys in management are bonus driven and to ensure a decent bonus they have to come up with these cost cutting measures.
The truth about Ryanair - they will always try to cut back on your salary. They have been doing it for years and will continue to do so.
Some on here seem happy for this to happen - why, I'm not sure, but it's usually the management or management wannabe type that think in this unusual manner.
At the moment it's only a weeks unpaid leave (3 days off), but this will increase, if it goes unchallenged it will be an easy hit for the bonus minded manager.
No reason why rostering can't squeeze our 900 hours into 11 months.
Not Ryanair bashing....just the facts. I actually like working at FR, but would wish they stopped trying to screw us.
At present we have no means to negotiate with the company. It's a dictatorship.