Flybe to aquire BA Connect. Crew thread. (No Spotters)-(Part 2)
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Do you have some form of reading disability? How can you interpret " Glad you are happy at flybe. I was too, and I would recommend them as an employer" as negative?
I realise that you have drunk deeply of the Kool-Aid, but do try and be a little more objective.
Do you have some form of reading disability? How can you interpret " Glad you are happy at flybe. I was too, and I would recommend them as an employer" as negative?
I realise that you have drunk deeply of the Kool-Aid, but do try and be a little more objective.
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Flybe is a privately owned company ,owned by various trusts that are sheltered in the Chanel Islands for their beneficiaries , mainly it would appear , The late Mr Walkers wife ,children,brother and extended families .
I humbly suggest that these are the only people who really know the state of its finances good or bad . If flybe were a public company following the same accounting standards as BA , Easy et all would it be in profit ?
A load factor of 57% makes that un-likely . I appreciate that the Q400 in particular is a very efficent aeroplane , however is it that efficient ?
There has long been a complicated trail of "related transactions" in flybe's acounting statments eg a Walker family company at one time owned some of the aeroplanes and leased them to the airline , nothing wrong with that , its their trainset .It does however make it difficult to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
I worked there some time ago , great people and a wonderful first job , however they have continually lurched from crisis to crisis , one time the wages werent paid for a week , sounds like nothing has changed .
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Flybe is a privately owned company ,owned by various trusts that are sheltered in the Chanel Islands for their beneficiaries , mainly it would appear , The late Mr Walkers wife ,children,brother and extended families .
I humbly suggest that these are the only people who really know the state of its finances good or bad . If flybe were a public company following the same accounting standards as BA , Easy et all would it be in profit ?
A load factor of 57% makes that un-likely . I appreciate that the Q400 in particular is a very efficent aeroplane , however is it that efficient ?
There has long been a complicated trail of "related transactions" in flybe's acounting statments eg a Walker family company at one time owned some of the aeroplanes and leased them to the airline , nothing wrong with that , its their trainset .It does however make it difficult to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
I worked there some time ago , great people and a wonderful first job , however they have continually lurched from crisis to crisis , one time the wages werent paid for a week , sounds like nothing has changed .
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what a monumental cock up this whole fiasco has become.just goes to show what incompetent,blinkered idiots make decisions that impact so greatly on our lives,with scant regard for the consequenses for anyone involved,other than themselves and their bonuses.this deal was doomed from day 1,the ba pension issue was always going to be a huge obstacle for flybe to inherit.I still cannot believe that willie walsh and his team were so convinced this deal was in the bag back in november.only goes to show you need no ability whatsoever to be chief executive of a major organisation...no wonder china is doing so well.the sooner he heads back to the emerald isle the better !!
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Flybe-BACON merger misses deadline
Flybe take-over of British Airways regional arm BA Connect misses deadline, unspecified complications cited
see:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...specified.html
see:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...specified.html
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From the nextgenerationairline.com website :-
'We understand it is important to continue to communicate with you through this period and for this reason, I will make available to you further updates as and when appropriate'
I would have thought 28th Feb would have been an appropriate day to post an update ... you have to ask the question if anyone knows about timescales with this deal or are they just keeping their fingers crossed it will all come together - meanwhile the Flybe management team surely cannot be concentrating on growing the airline for the future
Communication gets 0 out of 10 - pilot morale also gets 0 out of 10
LTF
'We understand it is important to continue to communicate with you through this period and for this reason, I will make available to you further updates as and when appropriate'
I would have thought 28th Feb would have been an appropriate day to post an update ... you have to ask the question if anyone knows about timescales with this deal or are they just keeping their fingers crossed it will all come together - meanwhile the Flybe management team surely cannot be concentrating on growing the airline for the future
Communication gets 0 out of 10 - pilot morale also gets 0 out of 10
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the ba pension issue was always going to be a huge obstacle for flybe to inherit.
That is why the deal is delayed.
Flybe will NOT inherit the BRAL pension scheme until its defecit has been addressed by Willie.
Until there is no risk, JF will nort sign. No matter what happens to BACON Willie is responsible up until JF signs. JF is right to ensure he is not liable for a £70-£80M bill
LTF
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Communication gets 0 out of 10 - pilot morale also gets 0 out of 10
Bacon -10/10
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The hold up is 'allegedly' due to a £36 million black-hole in the pension fund, and who will cover the cost.
Funny how this was never picked up during the 'due diligance' period, but only noticed moments before the deal was to be signed...
Its yet another slap in the face for the BA Regional Mainline staff, who are directly involved in this fiasco, with their lives being put on hold once again - (since November 2006 when the sale was first announced). Although we are Mainline employees, we are suffering and face redundancy because of this sale. Regional do make money - some routes more than others... BA Management (or lack of at ALL levels) have jacked their Regional staff around, causing extreme levels of stress, and upset by holding the staff in contempt. Issuing deadlines for announcements which never happen, changing their story as time goes by, putting the blame for this at flybes door etc...
Mr Walsh, Bev Bennett and the rest of you at Waterworld trying to run the worlds worst airline... Hang your heads in total shame. How can you sleep at night. Do you have any idea what youre doing? Obviously not...
I bet the chiefs at Aer Lingus are quietly thanking their lucky charms for giving Willie the 'wellie' boot! (Ok, a massive pay-out to leave in a hurry...) Almost brought them to their knees not so long ago. But as luck would have it, in steps the big-wigs at BA. Mr Rod couldnt wait to skip down the road to The Houses of Parliament and become an 'advisor to the government' the minute Wishy-Washy appeared from 'over the water'.
Bev Bennett and her team of mis-fits... Yeah, now theres a management team if I ever saw one. More like the three stooges. 'The Chuckle Brothers' (UK childrens TV comedy useless duo - no offence lads...) could put this lot out of a job if BA finds out they are available...
Now I know there will be people comming back on this one, but hey, We in the Regions have come to the end of our tether so pardon me if I come over a little hacked off... You guys who dont work in the Regions dont know what we have had to put up with over the past 18 months with lack of staff, investment and vision. We have pulled together and put on a show, got the job done and earned our crust. These managers are not on the front line to take flak over new baggage policies, new seating rules (cannot seat change once b/card is printed), cant pre-assign seats, cancellations on a daily basis and now the sale of Connect to flybe.com etc etc... Look at the issues LHR has. If someone sneezes the place shuts, so do you really think T5 will solve all your problems? Ha, youve all been had!
To all in the Regions, Well done guys. Heres to the future - whatever that may be
Funny how this was never picked up during the 'due diligance' period, but only noticed moments before the deal was to be signed...
Its yet another slap in the face for the BA Regional Mainline staff, who are directly involved in this fiasco, with their lives being put on hold once again - (since November 2006 when the sale was first announced). Although we are Mainline employees, we are suffering and face redundancy because of this sale. Regional do make money - some routes more than others... BA Management (or lack of at ALL levels) have jacked their Regional staff around, causing extreme levels of stress, and upset by holding the staff in contempt. Issuing deadlines for announcements which never happen, changing their story as time goes by, putting the blame for this at flybes door etc...
Mr Walsh, Bev Bennett and the rest of you at Waterworld trying to run the worlds worst airline... Hang your heads in total shame. How can you sleep at night. Do you have any idea what youre doing? Obviously not...
I bet the chiefs at Aer Lingus are quietly thanking their lucky charms for giving Willie the 'wellie' boot! (Ok, a massive pay-out to leave in a hurry...) Almost brought them to their knees not so long ago. But as luck would have it, in steps the big-wigs at BA. Mr Rod couldnt wait to skip down the road to The Houses of Parliament and become an 'advisor to the government' the minute Wishy-Washy appeared from 'over the water'.
Bev Bennett and her team of mis-fits... Yeah, now theres a management team if I ever saw one. More like the three stooges. 'The Chuckle Brothers' (UK childrens TV comedy useless duo - no offence lads...) could put this lot out of a job if BA finds out they are available...
Now I know there will be people comming back on this one, but hey, We in the Regions have come to the end of our tether so pardon me if I come over a little hacked off... You guys who dont work in the Regions dont know what we have had to put up with over the past 18 months with lack of staff, investment and vision. We have pulled together and put on a show, got the job done and earned our crust. These managers are not on the front line to take flak over new baggage policies, new seating rules (cannot seat change once b/card is printed), cant pre-assign seats, cancellations on a daily basis and now the sale of Connect to flybe.com etc etc... Look at the issues LHR has. If someone sneezes the place shuts, so do you really think T5 will solve all your problems? Ha, youve all been had!
To all in the Regions, Well done guys. Heres to the future - whatever that may be
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Its yet another slap in the face for the BA Regional Mainline staff, who are directly involved in this fiasco, with their lives being put on hold once again - (since November 2006 when the sale was first announced). Although we are Mainline employees, we are suffering and face redundancy because of this sale
You scorned BRAL, BA Citiexpress & BACON and now it is to be gone & so are you like your poor non-mainline colleagues.
Tin hat on!
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Deal Delayed Yet Again!
Did anyone not notice all the BA/BE codeshare flts went on ba.com yesterday and then were withdrawn today?
I cant believe that they are having pensions problems at this stage and they must have thought the deal was to be done yesterday.
As Ground Staff I hope this deal is done and dusted ASAP so we can can get on with our lives and some of you pilots need to grow up and stop all this petty arguing with each other.
I cant believe that they are having pensions problems at this stage and they must have thought the deal was to be done yesterday.
As Ground Staff I hope this deal is done and dusted ASAP so we can can get on with our lives and some of you pilots need to grow up and stop all this petty arguing with each other.
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"Well there is no job for you to do - BA is gone from the regions and any visiting aircraft don't need useless, lazy and expensive hired help."
How blinkered you are "as(s)paceman".Your coments are typical of anyone working in cloud cockoo land(anywhere south of the M25) .You say we in the regions are expensive but as mainline staff go we are cheaper than LGW and the waste of space that is LHR.You also say we're lazy but we do more work than our so called colleagues in london and are the only people that kept this airline going during the several unofficial pointless strikes that were taken over the last few summers.If it wasn't for our hard work the passengers wouldn't have been able to enjoy to enjoy there summer holidays.When london has a slight breeze and the evrything stats getting cancelled it is the rgions that manage to keep vital business passengers with all our hard work.I'm all for letting you believe your better than you actually are down there because my opnion is that it would take alot to actually rise from being worthless,unwilling pieces of crap.LHR and LGW better watch out because your about to have an increase in passengers that are needing checked in down there.At the moment the regions and non UK stations check in between 60-70% of the passengers traelling through the london airports,i'm going to take that number lower by not through checking passengers then we'll all see how how useless you are.
Your facts are wrong about BA not operating to the regions because the flights are still operating to these stations.
All the mainline staff regional staff who are being strung along by the leprechaun and his minions e.g. bev bennett,gerry fox(another leprechaun) deserve a alot more respect and appreciation for there ard work throught his period of uncertainty .We deserve answers now so we can get on with our lives.
How blinkered you are "as(s)paceman".Your coments are typical of anyone working in cloud cockoo land(anywhere south of the M25)
.You say we in the regions are expensive but as mainline staff go we are cheaper than LGW and the waste of space that is LHR.You also say we're lazy but we do more work than our so called colleagues in london and are the only people that kept this airline going during the several unofficial pointless strikes that were taken over the last few summers.If it wasn't for our hard work the passengers wouldn't have been able to enjoy to enjoy there summer holidays.When london has a slight breeze and the evrything stats getting cancelled it is the rgions that manage to keep vital business passengers with all our hard work.I'm all for letting you believe your better than you actually are down there because my opnion is that it would take alot to actually rise from being worthless,unwilling pieces of crap.LHR and LGW better watch out because your about to have an increase in passengers that are needing checked in down there.At the moment the regions and non UK stations check in between 60-70% of the passengers traelling through the london airports,i'm going to take that number lower by not through checking passengers then we'll all see how how useless you are.Your facts are wrong about BA not operating to the regions because the flights are still operating to these stations.
All the mainline staff regional staff who are being strung along by the leprechaun and his minions e.g. bev bennett,gerry fox(another leprechaun) deserve a alot more respect and appreciation for there ard work throught his period of uncertainty
.We deserve answers now so we can get on with our lives.