The Little Prince

I know where you're coming from Whisper, and I agree entirely. However, if the deal is signed, then it's going to happen - the smooth implementation (or not) will be down to our management and those bits of Rasher or Rind who are appointed or who stay in post. Inevitable that there is going to be some mayhem with the training schedule - but hey, that's why you get paid the extra bucks, can't take a joke, shouldn't have joined!!
With ref the seniority list from the spaceman, yes, that sounds fair, provided every one agrees on the size of the increment . With ref the Monkey (why is he called that???) how can we get confirmation regarding the permanence of his post?? Not that it's my fleet, but I do remember him of old, a real mucker of Hutch and the Feelan!
I'm still not holding my breath, but the deal is looking more done than not from all I hear, and just maybe it's not a bad thing. I've been speaking to a Bacon CC member, and I think things will be done fairly, at least as far as possible!
Go with the flow guys, it's easier and less painful.

Rider of the Purple Sage

It's been many moons since I was with BACON, it was called BACX then.(what's the difference between BACON and RASHER and RIND anyway??)

However, I always thought DM was a kosher bloke. Sorry indeed to see all the unhappiness and slagging off that's gone on here, I sincerely hope it all turns out well for you. It was a wrench leaving the Final Salary Pension, but it looks as though that's gone now anyway. There is life outside BACX etc etc, and it's turned out to be a much better one than I thought possible. I don't mean just leave for the sake of leaving, but do consider it - initially there's a big loss of 'comfort zone' with a new type, new SOPs, new colleagues, trainers, management, routes etc, but it's only after about a year that you come to realise that BACX is/was actually a tuppeny halfpenny operation in the great scheme of things, and not actually half as professional as it thinks! No reflection on any ex-colleagues intended.

Ghengis Cant

About the single most stupid thing French did (apart from setting a totaly unrealistic time scale for this deal) was to send in IC and BW to talk to their old mates about how wonderful FLYBE was.

The message they brought and the manner it was carried is one of the largest reasons so many of us decided to get the hell out..........

Nothing against the guys personaly..just ambitious fellows trying to leg it up the ladder..............but the acceptable face of FLYBE??

We know them and whats in their broom cupboards too well. Pity Jim didnt take a peek.

brain fade

Just to add my name to the long list of Rashers..................who are not coming.

Good luck to the new company and all who sail in her.

I'll miss the Barbie.

anotherspaceman

TLP said
Thats all anyone can or should expect. (does size matter??) - of course

The monkey? because he is!

IC and BW have come across as a couple of di*khead* and have renewed few friendships they may once have had.

Norwegian

Is there any Norwegians at Flybe now. PLS pm me.

Sky God

Being a bit rash aren't we? My understanding (and being a Sky God I'm always right) is that the outcome will be:

(i) smashing and FlyBe will give us fair conditions, a few more £s and some nice modern jets to fly

or

(ii) BACON will fold and on the way out we will trouser redundancy - then we will just follow our buddies to the LOCOs

Over the past few weeks I seen a lot of 'out of the frying pan in to the fire' type career moves. Better the devil you know.

anotherspaceman

Not in your use of the English language I fear - 'I saw' dear Sky God.

Mike Mercury

A lot of people would probably agree that IC was always a complete dick, used to go on and on about how many thousand hours he had on the VC10, but not actually tell anyone they were all as a Flight Engineer!!! Pillock!

Sorry to hear about BW though, always thought he was a pretty straight sort of a bloke, hope it wasn't the Flybe effect that changed him!

Grand yahoo

Good luck to all and remember that the bacon pilot management were being controlled by the people at the top with their gangs of 4 or 5, future size and all the other total waste of breath when they should have been selling seats.

DE & SW were calling the shots and toppled RH & Dental Flos.

SW has lasted all the way since BA bought BRAL, is he the bogey man?

As with previous posters I couldn't live with all the cr*p and spin that came from the top and just left. Bit nervy at first but after a few months put the nightmare behind me.

bermudatriangle

GH,you are right.big world out there.sometimes it's good to move out of the comfort zone and try a new challenge.makes you realise,should have done it a long time ago.as for the "proposed" new outfit,same sh.t,different airline.with the same leadership,there is just no hope !!

Madeofmoney

I could put my touchy feely, New Labour, liberal hat on and condemn what has been reportedly said by the 'FlyBE roadshow' as shocking and incompetant. I'm sure it must have got a lot of peoples backs up and driven them to go and find employment elsewhere.

In keeping with the trend set on this thread, I'm going to make my next point in capitals with a word that appears to add weight to my arguement without actually providing evidence or source...

FACT: In any acquisition in any industry not just aviation, upto25% of the workforce of the acquired company will leave off their own backs.

Yes it could be seen as incompetancy, however I think it possibly be a managerial masterstroke. They appear to have given you all the bare facts of what FlyBE is like and how most FlyBE employees view the merger and said take it or leave it. FlyBE is an enjoyable airline to work for. They realise they are stepping stone airline who basically target the 200 hour wunderkid or 20 000 ex-BA, ex-Cathay Captains who want a bit of fun in the regions before retirement.

So by pissing people off they have probably saved those people and themselves a load of hastle and misery, because from this thread it sounds like they would have been pissed off at FlyBE, and would have pissed everyone else off.

Make no mistake FlyBE want this deal for a) the routes for future Q400's and b) the Dash 300 Pilots. Anything else that comes will be bonus.

Those who do come though will be welcomed with open arms!

oldflyboy

So even this site is succumbing to the 'Come and Join Us' advertising now, must mean that Jim is aware of 'The Power of Prune'!

Also, lots of rumours bandying around the Fybe thread in one of the cabin crew forums, that Flybe have long term plans for Longhaul work? Seems unlikely given the BIG task integrating BACON into the business, or is a hidden ploy to suck keen young aviators into the business.............

Perhaps the Q400 takes wing tanks?

Remember, daily access to Prune keeps your thinking regular!

brighton_rocks

Just a thought .... It seemed unlikely that BAconnect would be passed over to FLYBE - which was a bolt out of the blue, lets hope that WW doesn't have that in mind for LGW onefleet because when flybe eventually float, BA then could buy shares, thus taking a cut of the profit and considerably reducing the risk of the LGW operation, whilst concentrating on the wonderful T5 and not having to worry about the regions (LGW included)

BluffOldSeaDog

Mad - there aren't going to be many Dash300 pilots left soon. The loss of Emb145 skippers is meaning that 8 skippers are starting to be tapped up for jet commands and the f/o's are getting scr3wed over by there own management not for the first time. Regardless of their seniority they are being told that they won't be progressing onto the jet but staying on the prop and being leapfrogged by Jerez "wonderkinds" and Deps because FlyBe is fearing that the whole 8 fleet is in meltdown. Well it will be soon enough because a crewroom straw pole has shown that these guys one reason for staying and gaining some jet experience has been taken away from them. Nice Own Goal That One

ecj

So do we have the latest count of how many BACON drivers have / intend to jump ship?
With all the roadshow activity etc someone did not do their sums right about the transfer %.

Reminds me of the DAN AIR linkage to £100+ hoovers - buy one and get a free flight for two. The marketing experts thought only 1 per 100 would take up the offer. WRONG. They could not cope with the flood...

Noiffsorbuts

Looking down our base list:-

Fifty percent definitely going (of whom half already handed in notice) and another twenty percent going to "wait and see". That leaves a hard core of thirty percent staying whatever (or not giving anything away!)

Even inexperienced FOS with scarcely more than a years service, bonded and with frozen ATPLs are being scooped up and quitting.

With so much uncertainty I am not surprised to see even the late thirties/forty smething year olds with young families (who might well have stayed) now pulling up anchors and going.

Unfortunately flogging a Dash eight around the place is viewed by most as a retrograde step. We dont yet know what the terms agreed by Balpa are but what is emerging is pretty unappealing. Also the blatantly misleading adverts in "Flight" smack of pure desperation.............

Oh yes and a four grand bounty to anyone who can recruit an IRE/TRE!!!!!!!!

A zoo not an airline.

anotherspaceman

I think you have 'definately' over estimated here - I have told you a million times not to exaggerate!

'viewed by some' would be more correct

Well if you joined BALPA and paid your subs you would know and would even have a voice to air your opinions instead of taking all the negotiated benefits at no cost! Your colleagues are paying!

Noiffsorbuts

Apologies spaceman for offending the pedant in you! I wont in any event start the turbo prop/jet debate again....... its too boring.

However.....when I said I had referred to our base contact list I actualy meant it.....I have it in front of me and within a couple of percent my figures are totaly accurate in terms of stated intentions.

brain fade

spaceman

No, viewed by most is correct.

The prospect of a turbo-prop after flying a jet is deeply unattractive to damn near everyone.

Nowt wrong with the big dash, mind. But hardly a step up, is it?