British Airways DEP Selection - THE lowdown Part 1
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
q's
i think BA do add/change around their questions....I certainly had one or two I hadnt prepared for....I suppose its one way for them to get you thinking on your feet, and also to see how you react. I really didnt find the interview that bad...despite what some people say!
Angryblackman
Within BA all crew are treated equally regardless of colour, gender or sexual orientation (but not football teams). With over 15,000 of us there is every possible combination working together. I'm proud of the inclusive company ethos that allows so many different people to get along as well as we do. It's not all a bed of roses but aurguments and disputes tend to be about money and working practices - I've seen little or no predjudice in over 20 years..........
Within BA all crew are treated equally regardless of colour, gender or sexual orientation (but not football teams). With over 15,000 of us there is every possible combination working together. I'm proud of the inclusive company ethos that allows so many different people to get along as well as we do. It's not all a bed of roses but aurguments and disputes tend to be about money and working practices - I've seen little or no predjudice in over 20 years..........
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Uk
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Morning all,
Just a trivial question on the assessment day, what does everyone do about bringing a packed lunch, is there no where to get food from? seems a bit of a shame to pop the new suit on, polish the shoes then turn up with my Actionman lunch box!
Any World affairs questions?
If one should be so lucky to get through to the sim, is anyone being asked to go the next day at the moment or is there a backlog for the sim? Are they still asking random questions during the detail? JAR OPS and stuff?
Just a trivial question on the assessment day, what does everyone do about bringing a packed lunch, is there no where to get food from? seems a bit of a shame to pop the new suit on, polish the shoes then turn up with my Actionman lunch box!
Any World affairs questions?
If one should be so lucky to get through to the sim, is anyone being asked to go the next day at the moment or is there a backlog for the sim? Are they still asking random questions during the detail? JAR OPS and stuff?
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: The Land Downunder
Posts: 765
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Peacekeeper,
It is a good idea to take a packed lunch, there is a canteen next door at Cranebank but you will not have access to it. On our day one of the interviewers did offer to buy sandwiches for anyone who wanted them but by the time they get back lunch is over. Only vending machines on site only do the standard crisps and chocolate bar type things so I would take along at least a sandwich.
AngryBlackMan,
In the past few weeks alone I have flown with female captains, black captains, asian captains and even a few white captains!! I don't think BA could be accused of discrimination in this way.
It is a good idea to take a packed lunch, there is a canteen next door at Cranebank but you will not have access to it. On our day one of the interviewers did offer to buy sandwiches for anyone who wanted them but by the time they get back lunch is over. Only vending machines on site only do the standard crisps and chocolate bar type things so I would take along at least a sandwich.
AngryBlackMan,
In the past few weeks alone I have flown with female captains, black captains, asian captains and even a few white captains!! I don't think BA could be accused of discrimination in this way.
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
angryblackman - it is not an issue, and has not been in recent memory for the many who have passed through BA from many minority groups. BA would be unlikely to survive without relying on minorities throughout its operation, sitting next to Hounslow as it is.
No numbers are known to anyone outside HR I would imagine, nor would be forthcoming, appropriate or legal to publish. Since positive discrimination is illegal in the UK, you will be recruited on the basis of your abilities alone.
No numbers are known to anyone outside HR I would imagine, nor would be forthcoming, appropriate or legal to publish. Since positive discrimination is illegal in the UK, you will be recruited on the basis of your abilities alone.
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: europe
Posts: 359
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
this pri*k "angry black man" is trying to emulate a funny show called "balls of steel"..............not funny here.........pathetic......and destroying a very good informative thread, guys and girls.... DONT BITE!!
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: CYVR
Posts: 75
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
So far the responders have mention ... to paraphrase
1) What's your problem?
2) He's stirring up trouble.
3) BA doesn't discriminate.
ETC, ETC, ETC
Yet no one has mentioned how many blacks (in numbers) either have interviewed or occupy the cockpit at BA.
I simple want to know from BA staff, that when they fly, are there many blacks or very few blacks who sit in the pilot's seat.
Their has been a discrimination complaint lodged with the European Human Rights Commission, that BA has not hired enough minorities based on a statistical analysis that indicates disparate impact (among the Pilot group)within the workplace at BA. This analysis is based on the ratio of white British citizens interviewed and hired by BA to those number of minority (Black)- UK/Non-UK Immigrants who have either interviewed and been either rejected or been hired as Pilots at BA.
A Simple Example: If you have x number of eligible pilot applicants in the UK. And the UK population was made up of 50% white and 50% minorities, then statistically you should have the BA pilot group made up of 1/2 white and 1/2 minority in order to show compliance with non-discrimatory practices. But; if the analysis shows that BA's pilot group is made up of 97% white pilots, and 3% minority pilots, then discrimination can be shown to exist and the EU can order the hiring standards lowered to accommodate minority applicants. This also can be used in comparing men vs. woman applicants.
I wonder what the standards will be lowered too?
.
1) What's your problem?
2) He's stirring up trouble.
3) BA doesn't discriminate.
ETC, ETC, ETC
Yet no one has mentioned how many blacks (in numbers) either have interviewed or occupy the cockpit at BA.
I simple want to know from BA staff, that when they fly, are there many blacks or very few blacks who sit in the pilot's seat.
Their has been a discrimination complaint lodged with the European Human Rights Commission, that BA has not hired enough minorities based on a statistical analysis that indicates disparate impact (among the Pilot group)within the workplace at BA. This analysis is based on the ratio of white British citizens interviewed and hired by BA to those number of minority (Black)- UK/Non-UK Immigrants who have either interviewed and been either rejected or been hired as Pilots at BA.
A Simple Example: If you have x number of eligible pilot applicants in the UK. And the UK population was made up of 50% white and 50% minorities, then statistically you should have the BA pilot group made up of 1/2 white and 1/2 minority in order to show compliance with non-discrimatory practices. But; if the analysis shows that BA's pilot group is made up of 97% white pilots, and 3% minority pilots, then discrimination can be shown to exist and the EU can order the hiring standards lowered to accommodate minority applicants. This also can be used in comparing men vs. woman applicants.
I wonder what the standards will be lowered too?
.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 386
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why would you want to lower the standards to allow reverse discrimination to happen.
My employer (BA) is a very very multi cultural society. It's quite amazing when sitting on the bus to the aircraft to find that none of the crew are actually English!
The ratio of blacks/whites is completely irrelevant. I hope the selection process works in a way that
a) the tests are doing what they are designed for
b) the best man/woman (regardless of skin tone) gets the job
c) no one is being discriminated against just for the sake of percentages
d) no outside pressure is put on selectors as to who should be employed
There are most certainly quite a couple of black pilots in BA, both sitting on the left and right. If one has to check the ratio, then you cannot judge it on the percentages of the population in the UK. I think a breakdwon of the total pilot workforce given a license by the CAA would work better.
It's all complete horlicks. You perform on the 2 days, they have a job for you...
Simple non?
btw I am Dutch and a minority within this company. But good riddance for BA to allow anyone to apply and get a job.
If you really want to assert discrimination then look at my home country, where our 'national' airline doesn't allow applications on any other aircraft type beside turbo props.
Now back on topic...
good luck to you all! At the moment recruitment is wide open so go for it...I have no idea when the doors will close again
My employer (BA) is a very very multi cultural society. It's quite amazing when sitting on the bus to the aircraft to find that none of the crew are actually English!
The ratio of blacks/whites is completely irrelevant. I hope the selection process works in a way that
a) the tests are doing what they are designed for
b) the best man/woman (regardless of skin tone) gets the job
c) no one is being discriminated against just for the sake of percentages
d) no outside pressure is put on selectors as to who should be employed
There are most certainly quite a couple of black pilots in BA, both sitting on the left and right. If one has to check the ratio, then you cannot judge it on the percentages of the population in the UK. I think a breakdwon of the total pilot workforce given a license by the CAA would work better.
It's all complete horlicks. You perform on the 2 days, they have a job for you...
Simple non?
btw I am Dutch and a minority within this company. But good riddance for BA to allow anyone to apply and get a job.
If you really want to assert discrimination then look at my home country, where our 'national' airline doesn't allow applications on any other aircraft type beside turbo props.
Now back on topic...
good luck to you all! At the moment recruitment is wide open so go for it...I have no idea when the doors will close again
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 386
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
JB10:
If you have any doubts about not meeting the requirements then why not call them?
Further to that, put an application in regardless and see what happens. You can only try!
edit:
I would say they like to see 2000hrs or more on Jets (>56t) for the longhaul DEFO positions.
If you have any doubts about not meeting the requirements then why not call them?
Further to that, put an application in regardless and see what happens. You can only try!
edit:
I would say they like to see 2000hrs or more on Jets (>56t) for the longhaul DEFO positions.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Ask OPS!
Posts: 1,078
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Angryblackman
Anyone, and I mean anyone, who has the requisite skill set, appropriate licensing and the ability to pass the interview and the simulator check, irrespective of race, creed, gender or colour can work at BA.
Statistics can be manipulated to whatever you want them to be. Perhaps, statistically, less minorities (which if the country was 50/50 wouldn't really be classified as a minority anymore) want to be airline pilots. I don't know as I am not a vital statistician (Carol Vordermann anyone?) but that would be my guess.
It seems to me that this is an argument only for those who wish to make it so.
Anyway enough mindless twaddle, thread creep.