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fly4fud, yes, that was me. The female voice on frequency was also a PPRuNer (Goon, often to be found in chat).
Well, maybe next time...
EYB, yes slots were a problem last night. Good solution, though, to give start/taxi clearances in slot order. Fairest way to do it.
One grumble though which you might be able to pass on... yesterday, we were parked on 8, with an Aer Lingus on 7. He started and then sat there for over ten minutes, presumably waiting for taxi. That meant we couldn't board our pax, and was the reason we nearly missed our slot. Maybe not such a good idea to give a start clearance unless the aircraft can taxi as well?
RATBOY, I believe LCY is too narrow for the C17. Pity, I would LOVE to have a go in that- I'm sure field length would be no problem for it. Any chance of a civil version...???
Well, maybe next time...
EYB, yes slots were a problem last night. Good solution, though, to give start/taxi clearances in slot order. Fairest way to do it.
One grumble though which you might be able to pass on... yesterday, we were parked on 8, with an Aer Lingus on 7. He started and then sat there for over ten minutes, presumably waiting for taxi. That meant we couldn't board our pax, and was the reason we nearly missed our slot. Maybe not such a good idea to give a start clearance unless the aircraft can taxi as well?
RATBOY, I believe LCY is too narrow for the C17. Pity, I would LOVE to have a go in that- I'm sure field length would be no problem for it. Any chance of a civil version...???
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Raw Data:
We always try to take the boarding problem into account, which is why when we have two a/c landing in sucession we always give the first one the higher stand (eg first on 4, then next to land on 3). This way passengers don't get blocked by an a/c parking on the next stand.
Some times it gets a little tricky. As yesterday, an aircraft calls for start, and is tight on his slot. Regardless of who is wanting to board we start him. Usually when he then calls for taxi (normally only 2-3 minutes later, sometimes up to 10 minutes if its a Xair) we will be able to move him off stand.
We do have to watch that we don't block stands 1,2 and 3 by holding to many a/c at Charlie. There are many ways around this problem, BUT not all controllers are as flexible as they could be!
Any way, quit moaning (grin) I started you 2 minutes into your slot when according to the book I shouldn't have, and got you onto the runway first! Thats City service for you!
Fly4fud:
It was my frequency you were talking on yesterday! Feel free to do this at any time, especially when Raw Data is on a very short final without a landing clearance (grin) see how long you can block the airwaves, and how low he can get before he elects to go-around due to the lack of landing clearance!
Seriously, a few words between pilots (probably about which stocks and shares to invest there huge pay packets in) makes our environment a lot more friendly. Feel free any time to chat, just don't be suprised when you get snapped at by a short temperred controller who has just spent the last 2 hours arguing with flow on the behalf of pilots, and being stiched up by his colleagues at Thames Radar!
We always try to take the boarding problem into account, which is why when we have two a/c landing in sucession we always give the first one the higher stand (eg first on 4, then next to land on 3). This way passengers don't get blocked by an a/c parking on the next stand.
Some times it gets a little tricky. As yesterday, an aircraft calls for start, and is tight on his slot. Regardless of who is wanting to board we start him. Usually when he then calls for taxi (normally only 2-3 minutes later, sometimes up to 10 minutes if its a Xair) we will be able to move him off stand.
We do have to watch that we don't block stands 1,2 and 3 by holding to many a/c at Charlie. There are many ways around this problem, BUT not all controllers are as flexible as they could be!
Any way, quit moaning (grin) I started you 2 minutes into your slot when according to the book I shouldn't have, and got you onto the runway first! Thats City service for you!
Fly4fud:
It was my frequency you were talking on yesterday! Feel free to do this at any time, especially when Raw Data is on a very short final without a landing clearance (grin) see how long you can block the airwaves, and how low he can get before he elects to go-around due to the lack of landing clearance!
Seriously, a few words between pilots (probably about which stocks and shares to invest there huge pay packets in) makes our environment a lot more friendly. Feel free any time to chat, just don't be suprised when you get snapped at by a short temperred controller who has just spent the last 2 hours arguing with flow on the behalf of pilots, and being stiched up by his colleagues at Thames Radar!
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Anyboudy in the city Tomorow (RD?) and who is in the twr. Brace your selfs...they have put me on LCY shift again. and after that they want me to scare some birds in JER? thats what we do on a lasy saterday....6 sectors........!!!!!
I'll be greeting you guys and gals now have to get some shut eye
I'll be greeting you guys and gals now have to get some shut eye
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Ladies and Gentlemen
I give you Expedite Your Backtrack, the human, enlightened face of ATC!
Not really complaining, LCY remains the best place I fly to when it comes to service, helpfulness, and getting the job done. Pity so few of the ground handlers speak english though...
Of course, I know the real reason you let me go was that you wanted my stand!!!
If I don't get a landing clearance, I will be more than happy to go on a scenic tour of Norf Lunnen. Better than the guided tours of Kent and Essex we get with London- "Whaddya mean you want me to go to Spear???" Besides, I never get sick of that approach, two for the price of one sounds good to me! Now if only I can remember to close the airbrake...
OK, I'm serious about the T-shirt thing. Anyone else???
Forgot to mention, not there on Saturday but will be there on Monday and Tuesday about 0815Z. Anyone else???
[ 13 July 2001: Message edited by: Raw Data ]
I give you Expedite Your Backtrack, the human, enlightened face of ATC!
Not really complaining, LCY remains the best place I fly to when it comes to service, helpfulness, and getting the job done. Pity so few of the ground handlers speak english though...
Of course, I know the real reason you let me go was that you wanted my stand!!!
If I don't get a landing clearance, I will be more than happy to go on a scenic tour of Norf Lunnen. Better than the guided tours of Kent and Essex we get with London- "Whaddya mean you want me to go to Spear???" Besides, I never get sick of that approach, two for the price of one sounds good to me! Now if only I can remember to close the airbrake...
OK, I'm serious about the T-shirt thing. Anyone else???
Forgot to mention, not there on Saturday but will be there on Monday and Tuesday about 0815Z. Anyone else???
[ 13 July 2001: Message edited by: Raw Data ]
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RD: No doubt you will have the great honour of being ordered about by me on both days!
Speak to you then!
ps. I didn't need your stand, I just needed shot of the lot of you, so that I could go home to the loving arms of my nagging wife! (only joking wife!)
Speak to you then!
ps. I didn't need your stand, I just needed shot of the lot of you, so that I could go home to the loving arms of my nagging wife! (only joking wife!)
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OK, great. That'll be off at the first exit and stand 1 then thanks. And no letting those snail-pace Dorniers off before me!
Inbound at 3 miles?? Of course we can backtrack and be off before he lands!!
Inbound at 3 miles?? Of course we can backtrack and be off before he lands!!
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Next and last LCY (though still a few reserve days to sail thru, who knows?) of the month on 24th, 872/3 (or whatever lousy callsign we're gonna be named...).
So, airplane, people, ATC, traffic, etc, etc, being what they are, we are scheduled to kiss your tarmac at 0930 UTC for a 1010 departure.
Still have to break that 24 minutes turnaround
So, airplane, people, ATC, traffic, etc, etc, being what they are, we are scheduled to kiss your tarmac at 0930 UTC for a 1010 departure.
Still have to break that 24 minutes turnaround
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In my "career" (alas not flying) I have flown many times in and out of LCY and I LOVE dat approach...thanks to the indulgence of some airlines (from Switzerland and Sweden to name but two) I have been privileged enough to sit on "spare seat" for the landing! I was once a rich banker person, learning to fly late in life (too short-sighted to do anything earlier grrrrrrrr)but being one in a million actually wanting to fly at short notice on business..and now I am poor person working in travel! I still hang out with flying buddies and ask as humble SLF to visit the flightdeck from time to time BUT I have to say that the best approach ever on flightdeck, in my life, has been into LCY from Bern and approach overflew my office!!! YAY!! (OK so I worked at Canary Wharf). I have to say that anyone to flies into/out of LCY have gotta be some of the luckiest commercial dudes/dudettes in the industry !!!
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INLAK, congrats on your first flight! And you already expect to seat on the left? Come on...
Seriously, in my company it is the same. The PIC has the rating and that's it. As far as I know, they could let you legally land "under supervision", but would carry full responsability (don't ask me if that's anymore than usual, though). We have some PICs letting the poor F/O try one once in a while, but I have yet to meet one! It could be that my normal way of flying make them hesitant
Seriously, in my company it is the same. The PIC has the rating and that's it. As far as I know, they could let you legally land "under supervision", but would carry full responsability (don't ask me if that's anymore than usual, though). We have some PICs letting the poor F/O try one once in a while, but I have yet to meet one! It could be that my normal way of flying make them hesitant
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Well it's all green gras on this side of the fence for F/O's (i was one little over a year ago!) and our do land in LCY....however sitting on the left side you ALWAYS carrie full responcebillity were ever you land or fly!
I'll be off looking for shell's at the beaches in normandie for two weeks so see you guys/gueyets later
I'll be off looking for shell's at the beaches in normandie for two weeks so see you guys/gueyets later
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Sorry Guys but according to what I read ScotAirways have the most movements at LCY and they let their F/O's land their.
As for slow 328's they seam pretty good, watched plenty of 146's slowly back tracking, also one nearly reversed into us on finals last week
Great place in a strong X-wind
As for slow 328's they seam pretty good, watched plenty of 146's slowly back tracking, also one nearly reversed into us on finals last week
Great place in a strong X-wind
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Well it's hardly a challenge landing a little aircraft like that at LCY, now, is it??
As for slow, well, we always wave as we hurtle past the 328s as they shuttle between LCY and points north. Makes for interesting PA's:
"The aircraft you can see on your right is the Scotairways flight that departed 5 minutes before us. We should be landing 5 minutes before it at EDI"
OK, OK, we don't really say that, but it sure is tempting...
As for slow, well, we always wave as we hurtle past the 328s as they shuttle between LCY and points north. Makes for interesting PA's:
"The aircraft you can see on your right is the Scotairways flight that departed 5 minutes before us. We should be landing 5 minutes before it at EDI"
OK, OK, we don't really say that, but it sure is tempting...
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We have to enjoy overtaking somebody in our technological wonder!! It dosen`t happen that often!
On a side note, can any 328 pilots enlighten me on their performace out of LCY, climb rates and cruise levels?
On a side note, can any 328 pilots enlighten me on their performace out of LCY, climb rates and cruise levels?
RD
Just reading your post about the RJX flight deck and Wha Hey! The photos I've seen suggest it does have an ASI tape on the PFD while retaining an analogue altimeter. Sorry can't remember where I got the photo from but I'll email it if you like.
I seem to recall the Avro RJ has the same setup - maybe a driver can confirm.
Just reading your post about the RJX flight deck and Wha Hey! The photos I've seen suggest it does have an ASI tape on the PFD while retaining an analogue altimeter. Sorry can't remember where I got the photo from but I'll email it if you like.
I seem to recall the Avro RJ has the same setup - maybe a driver can confirm.
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Haven't seen the RJX fldk, but yes, we have the speed tapes and VS on either side of the ADI on the PFD. And a revolving needle thing altimeter on the right of the PFD. Very similar thinking to what we had on the A-310
The best: EFIS and standard reliable and readable clocks in the pointed end of the aeroplane. Electronic protection and cables for the flight controls. And the best landing gear on the planet
The best: EFIS and standard reliable and readable clocks in the pointed end of the aeroplane. Electronic protection and cables for the flight controls. And the best landing gear on the planet
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I'm sure you are all right regarding the RJX EFIS. I asked a guy at Woodford who told me it was the same fit as our ex-Thai -300s, however he probably didn't realise the fit we had. It makes a lot more sense to have the tapes. Also, I have an idea that it has something to do with the digital data bus on the RJ/RJX, which I gather is not the same as the 146 has.
Mind you, ANYTHING would be an improvement on the old 146...
Mind you, ANYTHING would be an improvement on the old 146...
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Now....in the good old days of LCY...it was an exhilirating 7.5 degree app, and less LDA TDA available. ( can't remember exact lengths ).
As I remember, only achievable by DHC 6/7/8 and Dornier 328.
Great fun in a 20kt SW and cloudbase at 300agl. The best seat in the DHC 7 was the No.2 Cabin Attendants !! Roller Coaster or what ??
The flare involved : Pitch change from maybe 5 degrees down to 10 degrees up plus putting on pwr to arrest descent followed by timely removal ( or go flying again ! )
Punters didn't seem too impressed !!
Happy aviating.
As I remember, only achievable by DHC 6/7/8 and Dornier 328.
Great fun in a 20kt SW and cloudbase at 300agl. The best seat in the DHC 7 was the No.2 Cabin Attendants !! Roller Coaster or what ??
The flare involved : Pitch change from maybe 5 degrees down to 10 degrees up plus putting on pwr to arrest descent followed by timely removal ( or go flying again ! )
Punters didn't seem too impressed !!
Happy aviating.