BE-76 aka duchess not recognised by Indian DGCA anymore
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Piper PA-34 Seneca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And this both VT-PTM and VT-PTL are Seneca I (PA-34 200) mentioned in DGCA website.
Piper PA-34 Seneca - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And this both VT-PTM and VT-PTL are Seneca I (PA-34 200) mentioned in DGCA website.
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The aircraft has to be on DGCA approved list AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION of your endorsement/IR renewal at DGCA office.
If you have obtained NOC from DGCA, you can leave for training on that aircraft overseas, but you will have to wait till it is approved here before you can put in your papers at DGCA to have it endorsed on your Indian licence.
If you have obtained NOC from DGCA, you can leave for training on that aircraft overseas, but you will have to wait till it is approved here before you can put in your papers at DGCA to have it endorsed on your Indian licence.
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Ahh 
Leaves me in a soup again. One guy says its a go, other guy says it isn't. Thing is, as far is DGCA goes, I don't wanna take anything they say verbally. It has to be written on paper. For them its 'Yes' or 'No', for me its time, money and hope. If they are saying its approved verbally and tomorrow have some stupid paper saying something else, then I've to start all over AGAIN.
Leaves me in a soup again. One guy says its a go, other guy says it isn't. Thing is, as far is DGCA goes, I don't wanna take anything they say verbally. It has to be written on paper. For them its 'Yes' or 'No', for me its time, money and hope. If they are saying its approved verbally and tomorrow have some stupid paper saying something else, then I've to start all over AGAIN.
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Incredible india!
Really funny when your DGCA starts picking on which a/c qualifies as a twin (or not). For goodness sake, anything with at least 2 engines (as long as not centreline thrust) qualifies as a multi!
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Heard that for additional aircraft endorsements on Indian licences, technical paper has to be given in India, even if endorsement is obtained from abraod and a technical exam given there. Can somebody please let me know how credible this news is.
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I am surprised that so many of you have failed to realize the reason for this change of policy by the DGCA. I believe that the reason for the change is two fold. 1) It will invariably decrease the number of current and qualified candidates to crib about not being able to get the airline jobs that they were led to believe would be theirs with just a CPL and a Multi endorsement. 2) It will encourage some to do their training or recurrency in India thus pumping money into the pockets of the few who own the approved aircraft. I suspect that if you look carefully you will find that the people who own or control the few twins that are certified in India and are suitable for training are quite well connected. I imagine that these people have been quite upset about this money going oversees for years.
The problem is the rot in the whole DGCA. I agree with the posters who think going to the media might help. Shine a light on the graft and corruption and something MIGHT change.
Jet
I am surprised that so many of you have failed to realize the reason for this change of policy by the DGCA. I believe that the reason for the change is two fold. 1) It will invariably decrease the number of current and qualified candidates to crib about not being able to get the airline jobs that they were led to believe would be theirs with just a CPL and a Multi endorsement. 2) It will encourage some to do their training or recurrency in India thus pumping money into the pockets of the few who own the approved aircraft. I suspect that if you look carefully you will find that the people who own or control the few twins that are certified in India and are suitable for training are quite well connected. I imagine that these people have been quite upset about this money going oversees for years.
The problem is the rot in the whole DGCA. I agree with the posters who think going to the media might help. Shine a light on the graft and corruption and something MIGHT change.
Jet
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I already did suspect the second scenario. All we can do it stick to it and not back out. Taking it to the media? Do you'll think anything came out of the whole passi scam? I am not in India hence out of the loop of the whole fake pilot scam. But as of what I think, it has slowly died down.
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The DGCA are not recognising a lot of things.
For validation purposes they don't recognize an FAA licence among others, for validation purposes. You see they don't recognise the medical certificate issued by a designated FAA AME. They must think every authority is riddled with corruption like their own.
The USA knows a little about aviation and space technology. They invented aviation. They had a man on the moon before most of the idiots at the DGCA even knew what a civil aircraft was.
For validation purposes they don't recognize an FAA licence among others, for validation purposes. You see they don't recognise the medical certificate issued by a designated FAA AME. They must think every authority is riddled with corruption like their own.
The USA knows a little about aviation and space technology. They invented aviation. They had a man on the moon before most of the idiots at the DGCA even knew what a civil aircraft was.
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G'day folks...
I've been going through all the threads. Especially the BE76 issue which is ridiculous. I know you guys have been thinking about it - When the CoA of VT-EJR (the BE76 in Bihar) expired in 2008, how on earth did hundreds of foreign CPL holders manage to get their endorsements on the Indian CPL till late 2010? I'm not blaming the lucky pilots who got them already. This issue goes down to the root of the most inefficient aviation regulatory body in the world - DGCA. This is all coming to an end folks...in the coming months you will see frustration and anger building up within the pilot community leading to protests and petitions. Boy! I'm looking forward to it. The DGCA has always and will continue to take us for granted. What the hell were those idiots doing in the past 3 years when the BE76 lost its CoA? One fine day, the 'babu' wakes up and says - Hold on!..the CoA of VT-EJR actually expired 3 years ago. Lets not issue endorsements anymore. And now in order to convert the foreign licence a skill test must be conducted on a domestic aircraft - You've got to be kidding me!! The DGCA convinces the world they are drafting stricter norms...but they're outdated!! This has to come to an end. We must not let this happen. The scam hasn't gone down to the root cause yet...the corrupt top DGCA officials getting away every other time.
I've been going through all the threads. Especially the BE76 issue which is ridiculous. I know you guys have been thinking about it - When the CoA of VT-EJR (the BE76 in Bihar) expired in 2008, how on earth did hundreds of foreign CPL holders manage to get their endorsements on the Indian CPL till late 2010? I'm not blaming the lucky pilots who got them already. This issue goes down to the root of the most inefficient aviation regulatory body in the world - DGCA. This is all coming to an end folks...in the coming months you will see frustration and anger building up within the pilot community leading to protests and petitions. Boy! I'm looking forward to it. The DGCA has always and will continue to take us for granted. What the hell were those idiots doing in the past 3 years when the BE76 lost its CoA? One fine day, the 'babu' wakes up and says - Hold on!..the CoA of VT-EJR actually expired 3 years ago. Lets not issue endorsements anymore. And now in order to convert the foreign licence a skill test must be conducted on a domestic aircraft - You've got to be kidding me!! The DGCA convinces the world they are drafting stricter norms...but they're outdated!! This has to come to an end. We must not let this happen. The scam hasn't gone down to the root cause yet...the corrupt top DGCA officials getting away every other time.
Any updates??
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I guess this is more bad news for people already facing issue with BE76 and wanting IR renewal on it. Now as per the new DGCA directive, endorsement on Indian CPL licences will not be obtained without clearing Technical examination on type IN INDIA.
So even if we are to go abroad to get type rated on another type, we need to clear the tech exam here before they will endorse the licence. I cannot confirm whether this rulee is in effect now but it will soon be enforced. Trouble is, it may be too late before we know wehn DGCA has decided to implement this new rule change, because their website is not updated about these matters. However this proposed rule came up in Times of India article quoting Bharat Bushan about the proposed change.
If anyone has any more information regarding this please please update us. I guess this is another ploy to deter candidates from ME training abroad and bring business back to India. I can bet there is a lot of money changing hands for them to pass these arbitrary rules all of a sudden.
So even if we are to go abroad to get type rated on another type, we need to clear the tech exam here before they will endorse the licence. I cannot confirm whether this rulee is in effect now but it will soon be enforced. Trouble is, it may be too late before we know wehn DGCA has decided to implement this new rule change, because their website is not updated about these matters. However this proposed rule came up in Times of India article quoting Bharat Bushan about the proposed change.
If anyone has any more information regarding this please please update us. I guess this is another ploy to deter candidates from ME training abroad and bring business back to India. I can bet there is a lot of money changing hands for them to pass these arbitrary rules all of a sudden.
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after reading all these posts ... all I can say is :
long live the great BANANA REPUBLIC India !
long live the great PSEUDO DEMOCRACY India !
and yeah ... I N C R E D I B L E India indeed !
long live the great BANANA REPUBLIC India !
long live the great PSEUDO DEMOCRACY India !
and yeah ... I N C R E D I B L E India indeed !
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Hello everyone..i am seriously confused of how things run in our motherland SHOCKING...the duchess issue is really sad... i dont understand why can DGCA accept it if it has been registered 
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Is it really true?
Has anyone here personally gotten rejected after putting in their papers for the BE76 as a multi endorsement? I ask this since I'm truly perplexed at what I just found out from DGCA's very own website. I searched with random dates (1st May to 15th June'11) and there have been 36CPLs issued in this time period, and just out of curiosity to see what multi engine planes have been endorsed, I went through them. I was SHOCKED(More pleasantly surprised actually) to see 2 guys have the duchess endorsed on their license, both I might add on the 7th of June, which is a little over a week ago!!
What do you experts have to say about this?
What do you experts have to say about this?
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I think I have an answer to your question
My friend also in a similar situation .
He hasnt got his license yet but vashisht told him that they are ready to endorse the BE76 since his date of application was back in october 2010
Hence they are ready to endorse it . I have another friend who applied in Feb and will soon get his license converted with a BE 76 endorsement
But there is a rumor that the applications henceforth will be rejected
My friend also in a similar situation .
He hasnt got his license yet but vashisht told him that they are ready to endorse the BE76 since his date of application was back in october 2010
Hence they are ready to endorse it . I have another friend who applied in Feb and will soon get his license converted with a BE 76 endorsement
But there is a rumor that the applications henceforth will be rejected
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I see what you're saying since the application dates on the licenses were sometime in January. Although, it's the most absurd logic I've ever come across! So if person A and person B both trained on the same aircraft and the same place, Person A by virtue of submitting his papers by Feb'11 ( 3years after the CoA has expired) gets a BE76 endorsed on his/her license, but person B due to reasons X,Y and Z submits the exact same papers a couple of months later and gets refused?
Absolutely unfair and ghastly don't you think? Someone has to do something about this indifference shown by people ruling the roost in this organisation.
What a shame!
Absolutely unfair and ghastly don't you think? Someone has to do something about this indifference shown by people ruling the roost in this organisation.
What a shame!