BE-76 aka duchess not recognised by Indian DGCA anymore
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@ Cyril
Your friend applied in October 2010 and is yet to receive his licence? Good Heavens! What are we talking about here - 8 months to get a CPL issued by the DGCA???? Are you sure they are not issuing BE76 endorsements anymore?
Many of the stories here have only been related to the member's friends and his friends, so that puts me in a frame of doubt even though the issue looks genuine. Anyway, like everyone says - there must be an alternative to this rather than doing the entire training on another expensive twin-engine.
Your friend applied in October 2010 and is yet to receive his licence? Good Heavens! What are we talking about here - 8 months to get a CPL issued by the DGCA???? Are you sure they are not issuing BE76 endorsements anymore?
Many of the stories here have only been related to the member's friends and his friends, so that puts me in a frame of doubt even though the issue looks genuine. Anyway, like everyone says - there must be an alternative to this rather than doing the entire training on another expensive twin-engine.
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I talk to dc sharma.. last friday he didnt stand still for 2 minutes to answer my questions.. he is not listening and running out from his room.
He said, do your training/recency by referring aircrafts in dgca website whose C of A is valid. we are not here to tell you about duchess or any multi engine. Its your responsibility to check and do your training in multi or boeing or airbus.
I met a guy standing next to me who is also talking to sharma , he submitted his docs from 5-6 months to get his license but stuck with some logbook entries and he also done his training in duchess. and he told me if your application submitted before june 1st they will endorse your license with duchess.
But don't know he is right or wrong.
Then I went to vashista, he told me do your recency in other multi engine instead of duchess.
About technical exam and skill test, he said.. rule is going to come out in some days. dont know when. if you done your training before that and submitted your docs you dont have to give tech exam.
Then I went to airworthiness section, and asked him about C of A of Seneca I (PA-34 200),
two Seneca I registered in May and they both are in Container in Mumbai and In a month their C of A will be available.
I went down to flight operations section, he said you have to do atleast 10 hours for multi endorsement including Day,night & IR check, and tech exam is for indian students not for those who done their training from abroad.
Now, I don't know what to say or to whom I will listen, 3 guys 3 different views.
I get one thing straight, they are not going to endorse or renew your license in duchess.
He said, do your training/recency by referring aircrafts in dgca website whose C of A is valid. we are not here to tell you about duchess or any multi engine. Its your responsibility to check and do your training in multi or boeing or airbus.
I met a guy standing next to me who is also talking to sharma , he submitted his docs from 5-6 months to get his license but stuck with some logbook entries and he also done his training in duchess. and he told me if your application submitted before june 1st they will endorse your license with duchess.
But don't know he is right or wrong.Then I went to vashista, he told me do your recency in other multi engine instead of duchess.
About technical exam and skill test, he said.. rule is going to come out in some days. dont know when. if you done your training before that and submitted your docs you dont have to give tech exam.
Then I went to airworthiness section, and asked him about C of A of Seneca I (PA-34 200),
two Seneca I registered in May and they both are in Container in Mumbai and In a month their C of A will be available.
I went down to flight operations section, he said you have to do atleast 10 hours for multi endorsement including Day,night & IR check, and tech exam is for indian students not for those who done their training from abroad.
Now, I don't know what to say or to whom I will listen, 3 guys 3 different views.
I get one thing straight, they are not going to endorse or renew your license in duchess.
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On the published result for the DGCA exam for april attempt 3 students have given the CPL Technical exam for Duchess 76
If they dont recognize the duchess anymore why would they allow a student to write the technical exam ?
Why would anyone give the technical exam on the duchess if the aircraft is not available to fly in India ?
Another two students wrote it at the ATPL Technical for the Duchess
So thats a total of 5 students who wrote the exam
If they dont recognize the duchess anymore why would they allow a student to write the technical exam ?
Why would anyone give the technical exam on the duchess if the aircraft is not available to fly in India ?
Another two students wrote it at the ATPL Technical for the Duchess
So thats a total of 5 students who wrote the exam
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Thank you cyrilroy21! Indeed the point I was trying to make all this while. All those who have trained/done their recency requirements on the be76, just go ahead and submit your docs, they will issue a license with it endorsed!
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Thanks for observing that, Cyril.
I don't know if I'm right, but is it possible that the same candidates who sat for the BE76 techincal exam were told by the DGCA that if they required the endorsement to be issued on their licences, they must pass the concerned technical exam for whatever aircraft it may be.
Correct me if I'm mistaken.
I don't know if I'm right, but is it possible that the same candidates who sat for the BE76 techincal exam were told by the DGCA that if they required the endorsement to be issued on their licences, they must pass the concerned technical exam for whatever aircraft it may be.
Correct me if I'm mistaken.
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@cyril sorry mate but wasn't able to search those 3 guys on April, could you please mention their hall ticket number or page number.
http://dgca.nic.in/admit/Pilot0411R.pdf
http://dgca.nic.in/admit/Pilot0411R.pdf
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Do you guys know if the DGCA issues multi endorsement for a type or a particular version/model?
For instance they are issuing multi endorsements on the PA-34 doesn't say anything about the version, example the following was issued on the 17th of june:
Emplyee Details
For instance they are issuing multi endorsements on the PA-34 doesn't say anything about the version, example the following was issued on the 17th of june:
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is that right ?
how in the world did tht happen 
.....now they just accept it ??any explanation ??thanx ..... and for the record i also got trained in be 76 and got stuck like others
also m planning on my recency .... shud i do it in the dutchess or go for the seneca .... if its the seneca is it a problem with 200 or 220 ??
.....now they just accept it ??any explanation ??thanx ..... and for the record i also got trained in be 76 and got stuck like others also m planning on my recency .... shud i do it in the dutchess or go for the seneca .... if its the seneca is it a problem with 200 or 220 ??
sometimes i feel like doing it 'rang de basanthi ' style
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hi guys,
I'm new to this forum. i have a NZCAA CPL and i came across this thread about the duchess. I called up the DGCA yesterday to find out and the person said there isn't any problem with the duchess and as far as he knows - it is still being issued. So I hope it isn't still a problem.
I'm new to this forum. i have a NZCAA CPL and i came across this thread about the duchess. I called up the DGCA yesterday to find out and the person said there isn't any problem with the duchess and as far as he knows - it is still being issued. So I hope it isn't still a problem.
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adding to the topic regarding candidates appearing for the duchess technical exam in april 2011 - 3 of them are from patna and are all instructors. not in their weirdest of minds would they write the exam if there was an issue with the duchess. so this is about something else. somebody has been playing a foul game.
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From what i have gathered from the dgca there will be no multi endorsements on the duchess for a long time.
Anyways, when I finished my flying long back on the duchess there was a similar ruckus at the dgca, took me almost an year to get it sorted out and land a job with a major airline in India.
I suggest you young men get in touch with the press and bring this mockery to the attention of the public.
Anyways, when I finished my flying long back on the duchess there was a similar ruckus at the dgca, took me almost an year to get it sorted out and land a job with a major airline in India.
I suggest you young men get in touch with the press and bring this mockery to the attention of the public.
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Yes the dgca is still issuing endorsements on the duchess . But this is for those who applied before June 1 .
I have a friend who had applied in Feb . They rejected his application because the duchess was not recognized and returned his papers .
Then all of a sudden they decided to change their mind and asked him to resubmit his papers again as they are ready to endorse the duchess since he had applied earlier .
But they told him that in the future they wont be endorse the aircraft untill the duchess registered in India has its CoA renewed .
Dont believe anything what the DGCA says on the phone . Get it in writing from them with their signature and stamp .
Another option is to apply for an NOC to do your training or recency on a BE-76 . This way when you apply for your license you wont have any problems converting
Yes the dgca is still issuing endorsements on the duchess . But this is for those who applied before June 1 .
I have a friend who had applied in Feb . They rejected his application because the duchess was not recognized and returned his papers .
Then all of a sudden they decided to change their mind and asked him to resubmit his papers again as they are ready to endorse the duchess since he had applied earlier .
But they told him that in the future they wont be endorse the aircraft untill the duchess registered in India has its CoA renewed .
Dont believe anything what the DGCA says on the phone . Get it in writing from them with their signature and stamp .
Another option is to apply for an NOC to do your training or recency on a BE-76 . This way when you apply for your license you wont have any problems converting
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Any updates on this issue?
Have we got any updates or any more recent instances of refusal to issue endorsement on duchess?
I am almost ready to submit my papers for conversion but kept it on hold because of this news.
@Harshtechy...did you receive any response? Are you guys planning to send any more letters etc?
I am almost ready to submit my papers for conversion but kept it on hold because of this news.
@Harshtechy...did you receive any response? Are you guys planning to send any more letters etc?
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come together, brothas! please
thanks to the previous post and to all others whose been helping all the way.
in between that i totally second the idea of taking this crappy actions by the DGCA to the press.Any initiatives or suggestions on how to lead it ?? please go ahead ...
Its easy for DGCA to screw even the most experienced commanders, when it comes to young people like us its a pie with a cherry on top to these
lowlifes.
So lets break this wall and be the first to let india know how badly the aviation sector in india and m sure with the preceeding scandal issues, press are looking for a new topic , why dont we give them one ......
all intiatives are welcomed>>
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for that we need to come together as gang or in some numbers, without worrying about the travel cost and time its gonna take but im sure we all will enjoy the result and so as our future friends and collegues ...
lets start planning and submit a report to the cheif editor of some magazine or visit the offices of some tv channels ..... i hereby will assure that i will be ther for it ...... lets make some noise people, i kno we all can spend some money and time easily to break this one ... let the forum know what y'all think??
in between that i totally second the idea of taking this crappy actions by the DGCA to the press.Any initiatives or suggestions on how to lead it ?? please go ahead ...
Its easy for DGCA to screw even the most experienced commanders, when it comes to young people like us its a pie with a cherry on top to these
lowlifes.So lets break this wall and be the first to let india know how badly the aviation sector in india and m sure with the preceeding scandal issues, press are looking for a new topic , why dont we give them one ......
all intiatives are welcomed>>
>for that we need to come together as gang or in some numbers, without worrying about the travel cost and time its gonna take but im sure we all will enjoy the result and so as our future friends and collegues ...
lets start planning and submit a report to the cheif editor of some magazine or visit the offices of some tv channels ..... i hereby will assure that i will be ther for it ...... lets make some noise people, i kno we all can spend some money and time easily to break this one ... let the forum know what y'all think??
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flaps13 - the only person that can take up this issue is Arnab Goswami of Times Now. I hope he can do something about it. But if we write to him and if the issue is taken seriously, it would result in hundreds of BE76 endorsements being canceled by the DGCA rather than issuing many more in the future. I want the latter to happen. Lets hope it does. But I plan to take up the issue.
others - it is ridiculous that all of a sudden the DGCA accepts applications submitted before June 1 to issue BE76 endorsements when there hasn't been any public notice on their website about this particular date June 1.
others - it is ridiculous that all of a sudden the DGCA accepts applications submitted before June 1 to issue BE76 endorsements when there hasn't been any public notice on their website about this particular date June 1.