BE-76 aka duchess not recognised by Indian DGCA anymore
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Including me there are 7-8 people i know who are affected by this problem... i can ask all to them to write a letter and send a scanned copy to you... who do we address the letter to, if you could post the address or let me know where to find it that would be great.... Thanx...
Including me there are 7-8 people i know who are affected by this problem... i can ask all to them to write a letter and send a scanned copy to you... who do we address the letter to, if you could post the address or let me know where to find it that would be great.... Thanx...
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I believe a better of doing this will be drafting a single letter, getting maximum number of Pilots to support us on this matter and then sending the copies of the letter to the officials, even the aviation minister I would say.
This letter should not be type specific, if they can come up with this rule for the BE-76, sooner or later other a/c will be added on the list.
Its time to act together on this matter.
one of us can create an email id, and all interested pilots can drop in a mail so that they can be added to the contact list, then the mails can be forwarded and received back on that mail id itself.
This letter should not be type specific, if they can come up with this rule for the BE-76, sooner or later other a/c will be added on the list.
Its time to act together on this matter.
one of us can create an email id, and all interested pilots can drop in a mail so that they can be added to the contact list, then the mails can be forwarded and received back on that mail id itself.
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In my opinion the poster above has got it absolutely right.
This potentially affects a huge swathe of the young pilot community. The speed of jobs opening up may be encouraging but a huge majority of you will be looking to just opening and then maintaining a licence with the DGCA. If they can bar the post popular basic trainer and one of the most common twin trainers in existence there's no sense occurring at all at in their building.
Doesn't matter where you are in the system - you all have a stake in ensuring practical aviation input to the DGCA's decisions.
Rob
This potentially affects a huge swathe of the young pilot community. The speed of jobs opening up may be encouraging but a huge majority of you will be looking to just opening and then maintaining a licence with the DGCA. If they can bar the post popular basic trainer and one of the most common twin trainers in existence there's no sense occurring at all at in their building.
Doesn't matter where you are in the system - you all have a stake in ensuring practical aviation input to the DGCA's decisions.
Rob
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absolutely the dgca takes every one for a ride and ultimately we are the ones to suffer the consequences. anybody has some idea as to how this will affect a cpl renewal? I'm presuming we will have to do 10 hours on a different aircraft to get it endorsed. Please correct me if i'm wrong.
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That is what exactly i will do.
I will make a draft stating all the CARs and other regulations about this.
The letters i will get from you guys will be a proof of the guys who are affected by this and they will get to see and know about each case.
A single letter will not bother them.
I will make a draft stating all the CARs and other regulations about this.
The letters i will get from you guys will be a proof of the guys who are affected by this and they will get to see and know about each case.
A single letter will not bother them.
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Guys , my friend went to the DGCA office today to enquire about the new approved aircraft list , he met an officer and asked him his doubts and the reply he got was " AS LONG AS THE AIRCRAFT YOU HAD YOUR CHECKRIDE/TEST IS REGISTERED IN INDIA ,THERE IS NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER " And yes the BE-76 is not recognized anymore and so is piper warrior (PA-28) as the only one piper in india is out of its airworthiness
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An Update
My friend went to the dgca office today .
Talked to Vashisht and DC Sharma .
He said that they both agree that the rule should not enforced and that they support the pilots affected but its beyond their power to change or amend the rule
They told him that they will talk to Bharat bhushan as he has the final say in matter like this and will let him know in a weeks time .
Fingers Crossed
Talked to Vashisht and DC Sharma .
He said that they both agree that the rule should not enforced and that they support the pilots affected but its beyond their power to change or amend the rule
They told him that they will talk to Bharat bhushan as he has the final say in matter like this and will let him know in a weeks time .
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Thanks Cyrilroy. So now we know that Mr.Vashishth and Mr. Sharma do not have the power to change the rule. And Mr. Bhushan may be able to do something. So the letters must be addressed to DGCA and a copy of the same be sent to Mr. Bhushan.
What we can also say in the letter is- When we commenced training Duchess BE 76 was registered in India and was accepted by the DGCA. Till date according to the DGCA website, VT-EJR is registered in India and doesn't say anything about the cancellation of its C of A.
You may save that page of VT-EJR for record.
What we can also say in the letter is- When we commenced training Duchess BE 76 was registered in India and was accepted by the DGCA. Till date according to the DGCA website, VT-EJR is registered in India and doesn't say anything about the cancellation of its C of A.
You may save that page of VT-EJR for record.
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Hey guys I just confirmed from the DGCA that BE 76 is not valid any more. They started invalidating it since last 2 months because the C of A and the C of R of the only BE76 have been expired. This is the only reason.
So instead of sending letters to DGCA. Why dont we send letters to the owner, that is the Bihar govt, to renew the certificates. Its not a big deal for them to renew it if the condition of the aircraft is up to mark. I guess this will work.
Pls note that even C of R of the A/C is invalid.
I started my training in the BE 76 did 3.2 hrs but after confirming that BE76 is not even registered, am planning to do it in the PA34. For those who have already done it it would b best if they contact the Bihar govt anyhow to renew the certificates. You cant change the DGCA rules within 6 months (recency period).
So instead of sending letters to DGCA. Why dont we send letters to the owner, that is the Bihar govt, to renew the certificates. Its not a big deal for them to renew it if the condition of the aircraft is up to mark. I guess this will work.
Pls note that even C of R of the A/C is invalid.
I started my training in the BE 76 did 3.2 hrs but after confirming that BE76 is not even registered, am planning to do it in the PA34. For those who have already done it it would b best if they contact the Bihar govt anyhow to renew the certificates. You cant change the DGCA rules within 6 months (recency period).
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No body cares if the owner renews it or not.
The rule of derecognising BE76 rating is totally unacceptable. No aviation authority has ever done that. ICAO CAR also has no rule stating that if Cof A goes invalid the ratings also are invalid..
So, it will be beneficial to address it to DGCA Mr Bhushan and a copy to Mr vashisht.
And the most important thing is filing a RTI if no response is received within a month or two.
The rule of derecognising BE76 rating is totally unacceptable. No aviation authority has ever done that. ICAO CAR also has no rule stating that if Cof A goes invalid the ratings also are invalid..
So, it will be beneficial to address it to DGCA Mr Bhushan and a copy to Mr vashisht.
And the most important thing is filing a RTI if no response is received within a month or two.
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C of R is invalid also. I have mentioned in my previous post.
Now this means that there is no BE76 in India legally.
I agree that the rule saying that endorsement should be done on A/C registered in India should be removed. But it is a long process. By that time you would lose your recency period and you will have to do it once again anyways.
Now this means that there is no BE76 in India legally.
I agree that the rule saying that endorsement should be done on A/C registered in India should be removed. But it is a long process. By that time you would lose your recency period and you will have to do it once again anyways.
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@Gangsta there is no way of deducing that the C o R is invalid from the DGCA website. We will send letter to DGCA as well as to Bihar Govt. Remember the rules can be changed in the interest of the general public.
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For those who haven't yet written a letter can copy the one I wrote just now. Make any changes you may want to.
Email IDs to send to:
Shri E.K. Bharat Bhushan, (Director General) [email protected]
G. V. Lakshmi, PS [email protected]
A.K. Sharan, JDG [email protected]
Charan Das, JDG [email protected]
J.S. Rawat, JDG [email protected]
A. Sardana, DDG [email protected]
D.C. Sharma, Director Training and Licencing [email protected]
Ashutosh Vasishtha, Dy. Dir Training and Licencing [email protected]
Send separate emails to all the abovementioned and remember to change the salutation. You can also send a signed copy to harsh786techy, he has volunteered to take a hard copy of your letter to DGCA. Big thanks to him.
DGCA
Aurbindo Marg, Opp. Safdarjung Airport
New Delhi 110 003, INDIA
Subject: Request to allow Duchess BE-76 as an aircraft acceptable for conversion to Indian CPL
Duchess BE-76 is the most popular multi engine training aircraft in the world. Before a student commences flying training overseas, he/she checks the Aircraft register on the DGCA website to verify the acceptability of the aircraft. The website of DGCA lists the aircraft as registered in India. I request the honorable DGCA of India to allow conversions of Indian CPL for pilots trained on Duchess BE-76. The pilot can furnish the Certificate of Registration and/or Certificate of Airworthiness issued by the national aviation authority. This will ensure the authenticity of the student pilot's training.
Thanks
xxx
Aurbindo Marg, Opp. Safdarjung Airport
New Delhi 110 003, INDIA
Subject: Request to allow Duchess BE-76 as an aircraft acceptable for conversion to Indian CPL
Duchess BE-76 is the most popular multi engine training aircraft in the world. Before a student commences flying training overseas, he/she checks the Aircraft register on the DGCA website to verify the acceptability of the aircraft. The website of DGCA lists the aircraft as registered in India. I request the honorable DGCA of India to allow conversions of Indian CPL for pilots trained on Duchess BE-76. The pilot can furnish the Certificate of Registration and/or Certificate of Airworthiness issued by the national aviation authority. This will ensure the authenticity of the student pilot's training.
Thanks
xxx
Email IDs to send to:
Shri E.K. Bharat Bhushan, (Director General) [email protected]
G. V. Lakshmi, PS [email protected]
A.K. Sharan, JDG [email protected]
Charan Das, JDG [email protected]
J.S. Rawat, JDG [email protected]
A. Sardana, DDG [email protected]
D.C. Sharma, Director Training and Licencing [email protected]
Ashutosh Vasishtha, Dy. Dir Training and Licencing [email protected]
Send separate emails to all the abovementioned and remember to change the salutation. You can also send a signed copy to harsh786techy, he has volunteered to take a hard copy of your letter to DGCA. Big thanks to him.
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@ Aditya... do you think writing an email to them will oblige them to take any actions..
But yes,if they check there emails regularly it might happen that they do take any action.
I am just not sure that they check there emails regularly.
Also, wanted to let people know here that i am planning to submit my letter to DGCA by hand on monday next week. If any one of you who is not in Delhi but wants to submit there letter can PM me. I will provide them with my email address. you can send me the scaned copy. I will do the rest of the process on your behalf.
But yes,if they check there emails regularly it might happen that they do take any action.
I am just not sure that they check there emails regularly.
Also, wanted to let people know here that i am planning to submit my letter to DGCA by hand on monday next week. If any one of you who is not in Delhi but wants to submit there letter can PM me. I will provide them with my email address. you can send me the scaned copy. I will do the rest of the process on your behalf.
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@harsh no point contemplating who checks their emails. We can only send an email. One of them may check and take action in our favour, thats our hope. I will send you an email with my sign by Monday. thanks
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Ok. So I think I found the contact details of the operator of the only BE76.
Anyone wants to go ahead and talk to him?
Capt D K Singh
Govt of Bihar,Cabinate Secretariat(Civil Aviation) Department,
Patna Airport, Patna-800014
Tel no :06122224423/223905/225659
Fax no : 06122224614
Email : [email protected]
Anyone wants to go ahead and talk to him?
Capt D K Singh
Govt of Bihar,Cabinate Secretariat(Civil Aviation) Department,
Patna Airport, Patna-800014
Tel no :06122224423/223905/225659
Fax no : 06122224614
Email : [email protected]