Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holders - where are you?

[training wheels]

Originally Posted by nicky7789

I'm from Brunei but I have migrated to Australia, Perth to study. I will be going to an Aviation High School next year. The course is about 5 years and once graduate, I will be continuing the aviation course in Uni for another 3 years.

That's interesting in itself. I've never heard of an "Aviation High School" as such in Australia. Could you give more details, just out of interest.. not for me, but for friends of mine?

Originally Posted by nicky7789

. If I'm unlucky and didn't get the scholarship, does it mean I wasted 8 years learning aviation and wasted alot of parents money?

Flying for an airline is only one spectrum of the aviation industry. There are other options as well if your heart is truly in aviation and the whole spectrum it has to offer. If you're only keen on becoming an airline pilot and flying jets and you then don't make it, then of course you're going to see that as having wasted your time and money. Aviation as an industry has a lot more to offer than just being dressed up in a pilot's uniform and looking good in the mirror!

[Skybound79]

Job Opportunity in SG

G' day gentlemen,

Does anyone in this forum know of any job opportunity in Singapore for a 200hr CPL holder?

[dilemna]

Hi Thermal Image, are you still here? Would like to ask you some questions.

[nicky7789]

singapore airlines

I am going to study bachelor of aviation in Uni, once I graduate, I will have a commercial pilot license, commmand instrument rating on multi engine aircraft and a flight instructor rating. Do you think SIA will hired me? or do I need to be a flight instructor for years to gain enough flying hours to work with singapore airlines commercial aircraft?

[nicky7789]

SIA

hey hiphippyhippo, can you tell me a few tips how you got into the training at Jandakot Airport? I'm also in perth right now.. staying near jandakot airport, everytime i can hear plane flying over my house.. hope one of them is you.

[slowbus]

Guys! Having a self-sponored CPL/IR does not guarantee you an airline job after completing training. It is about the same as completing a degree and working your way up to good job, which could take years. Persisitance and the willingness to venture out of your comfort zone can gain you valuable experience abroad, which will improve your competiveness when applying a for a job back home.

I have met quite a few self-sponsered guys here and overseas who have finished flight school and are waiting at home for an airline to call them up. Chances are, it is not going to happen, at least not within this financial climate.

Success will come eventually, but not without hard work and a touch of luck.

All the best!

[hiphippyhippo]

Hi nicky7789, I was flying at Jandakot Airport because I am with SIA and was training at SFC, JDK. However I was there almost 1.5 years ago.

[Droste]

Originally Posted by mercw123

Because my dear friends, SYFC standard very high, RSAF stantard. No 200 hour freshie has the ability to handle a PA 28 or the CT4E as what is required. I personnaly know 3 people chopped in stage 2 and 3. One from MFA, Malacca... one from Massey,NZ & one from Bankstown,Australia. In Singapore aviation, let me remind you, its very cruel and unforgiving. You dream to much, you will be asking for it!

SYFC looks scary.

I have two friends (with their pink I/C), holding Instructor Rating issused from HKCAD. I wonder how's their chance to work with SYFC?

Any tips to share?

[ianlo]

35 yrs wannabe

Hi guys,

Thanks for contributing to this thread! Got alot of information about self-sponsored training.

I would like to find out if

1) 35 yrs to start a pilot career is too old?
2) Will SQ/SQC/MI/Tiger/JetStar consider a 35 year old mid career changer?

I know if I am given a second chance I will be committed to make it happen. Just that I would like to know if I am wasting $ because of my age.

Thanks for your kind inputs and feedback!

[Sonic69]

If the timing is right and the carriers need pilots, they will take whoever fits the bill.
As to whether you will get a job at the end of your training or not, nobody can say for sure. That is the risk you must be willing to take to embark on this journey. There are no guarantees in life, more so in aviation.

[hiphippyhippo]

@ianlo

i think 35 might be a little too old for SQ, SQC or MI. Not sure bout Tiger though.

[ianlo]

Hi hiphippyhippo and Sonic69

Thanks for the quick reply! I think I will still apply for SQ and hope for the best.

I know that this is the career that I want to pursue for the next 20 years of my life. But having a family really makes you think twice and be realistic about my chances.

Any advice for me?

[xmx]

Looking for success stories

Hi all,

There has been a lot of disheartening comments regarding self-sponsored Singaporean CPL holders here. Most of them are probably true and have good intentions to dissuade young people from making rash decisions about their future.

Looking at this forum, I guess the point has been firmly hammered that getting a CPL personally is a waste of time and money for a Singaporean. However, there are still people who are willing to risk that than never to have tried. Some comments have mentioned that 20% managed to get into an airline.

It will be great to hear from these 20% or those who know them regarding the route they took to become an airline pilot. Can anyone who have taken that route share his journey?

So far it seems that it is not even a risk that you will not get a job if you are a Singaporean self-sponsored CPL holder but a certainty judging from the posts (or non existent posts) from the successful ones. Thus, please share if you are one.

Thanks very much.

[Starburst3128]

In late 2006, SFC accepted 2 self sponsored cadets. Both of them had PPL. Just before they were scheduled to go to Jandakot for CPL training, the General Manager of SFC helped them set up an interview with SIA. They were accepted. One went to SIA CARGO while the other, SILKAIR.
But do take note that it took place when aviation industry was in a boom. At that time all the experts were saying that Asia could face pilot shortage problem in the next few years.
Since then, 3 years have passed. As anyone can see, the situation has become more complicated. You do not have to think hard to know that this door to commercial flying is more or less shut. Whether or not it will reopen, and if so, when? Your guess is as good as mine.

[winglet_fever]

hi all, after gotten my CPL and frozen atpl, i was fortunate enough to slip into SIA's doors when economic situation was boomz(i just cant resist).

if i had to choose again, i dont think i would risk money that wasn't mine on a uncertain chance without correct reasons.

if you are getting your licence for the sake of adding cream to your SIA's CV, think about it again. there are cheaper options. PPLs in Malaysia will set you back about 8k. that alone should shows your interest in aviation. why not let SIA interview you,see if your personality matches what they are looking for and let the company pay for the rest of the training? for those of you whom dont know, it is not what you have but rather what you are that SIA is interested in. if you have any extras, its just a bonus.

if flying for SIA is just a side option, and you are purely driven by interest, by all means if you or your family dont have to struggle to get you through those expensive years.

having CPL/ATPL doesn;t mean you have to fly. it can aid one in many fields in our aviation industry. i know guys then went on to meteorological companies, chart/map, airtraffic control department, CAAS, lecturing. with flying experience makes one think aviation sense when comes to planning. the degree also covers soft side of aviation like management, air port planning and courses of those sort. so it doesnt really mean you have to fly. its a course that expose you to more areas in this industry and there after you take your pick.

some of my coursemates back in flying school found right hand seat jobs in light jets to realize their passion were to instruct in light aircraft. so in every sense,you will not know where your passion is till you have tried the role. but just dont risk what is not yours.

be a man, do the right thing..wuhahha

[topmonster]

Hi, Im considering taking my CPL course either in canada or malaysia. However, it seems that it is cheaper to learn in canada . I would like to know is there any singaporeans or asian got their pilot jobs in canada after taking the self-sponsored course in canada? Anyone can advise?

Any Singaporeans have take up CPL course in canada. I have look through and it seems Proifr , langley and calgary flying seems better choice

[su47]

I trained with about half a dozen private cadets in Perth, and I've heard off the grapevine that two of them have recently secured appointments with Tiger.

[Droste]

Part-Time F.I.

Originally Posted by singapore_flyer

syfc is hiring instructors though this is not openly advertised. .... ...instructors get 600+hrs/yr

Originally Posted by mercw123

Because my dear friends, SYFC standard very high, RSAF stantard. No 200 hour freshie has the ability to handle a PA 28 or the CT4E as what is required. I personnaly know 3 people chopped in stage 2 and 3. One from MFA, Malacca... one from Massey,NZ & one from Bankstown,Australia.

I wonder and would like to know whether does Youth Flying Club (SYFC) employs or do they have part-time flying instructors?

Can somebody share with me?

Thank you.

(*Kindly don't ask me to call or email them)

[FlyingChipmunk]

CAAS Performance A

hello All
can someone please explain what the Performance A paper is? Or at least where I can get study material or enrol into a course to take it?

I am looking at converting my Aussie CASA CPL to a CAAS CPL.

Please also feel free to PM me if that helps. Many thanks!!

[autobrakes3]

@FlyingChipmunk,

first things first, have you been hired by a local (SIN) operator? or are you trying to convert your license on your own?

If you are hired, your operator would have the necessary material for you to use for studying. They would have probably gotten the text from SFC or had you enrolled in a 2 weeks Performance course with them.

If you are not hired yet and trying to convert the license on yr own, you can forget about it. CAAS will not entertain you unless you are officially working with a local operator. In fact, you probably can't apply to sit for the exam as an individual. Your local operator would be the one sending you instead, with the appropriate forms and proof of company letter.