PAL Pilot Exodus
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Emirates stopped hiring, accdg to Flt Ops they have enough successful candidates to fill up their Courses until end of the year. Plenty of applicants in the pool, mostly from the U.S.,accdg to flt Ops.
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This was a Philippine Airlines flight. Just wanted to make that clear. The First Officer almost did everything right, with the call-outs, and all. Too bad he didn't go that one last step and take over to execute the go-around. Of course, that's not the PAL culture. Too bad. It was the usual shameful scenario where the F/O was so cowed by the culture in general and the Captain in particular that he would rather die than do something to counter The Boss.
Of course, hindsight is always 20/20, innit? But goodness, a go-around now sounds pretty darned cheap compared to the cost of the whole airplane.
This was a Philippine Airlines flight. Just wanted to make that clear. The First Officer almost did everything right, with the call-outs, and all. Too bad he didn't go that one last step and take over to execute the go-around. Of course, that's not the PAL culture. Too bad. It was the usual shameful scenario where the F/O was so cowed by the culture in general and the Captain in particular that he would rather die than do something to counter The Boss.
Of course, hindsight is always 20/20, innit? But goodness, a go-around now sounds pretty darned cheap compared to the cost of the whole airplane.
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Systems Knowledge Is a Must
If the Captain remembered his A320 GPWS Events he could have made the decision to execute the Go Around either at 1,000 ft
and or 500' Stable Calls. Big lesson learned. Pray it won't happen again.
and or 500' Stable Calls. Big lesson learned. Pray it won't happen again.
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Pray all you like justsim, but until it starts hurting LT's wallet and people start dying nothing will change. Pilots need to learn good CRM. NOT PAL CRM. GOOD CRM!! That means Capts need to listen to FOs and FOs need to be more assertive. Please go look up in the dictionary those who do not know what assertive means. Both PAL accidents could have been avoided if the FOs were more assertive. The Captains were fu..ing idiots and should have had their brain removed. As should management, coz they approve the 'CULTURE/ATTITUDE'.
I agree completely with ww1, go-arounds sound cheaper than a hull loss, but what will it cost PAL to change? The problem is PAL Culture rewards assh.... Captains that are macho and bring home the passengers and planes with total disregard to safety. FOs are unwilling to speak up and would rather die together with the Captain screaming into the side of a mountain than getting 'endorsed'.
Recently a Garuda Captain that igonored his FO just found out how good CRM works. He killed 21 passengers and he is gonna spend a couple of years with some nasty inmates that want his virgin ass!!! VOA News - Indonesian Pilot Accused of Crashing Plane by Ignoring Warnings
My point is that PAL culture needs to change before people start dying and Captains get their ass violated by their new best friend in Muntinlupa.
I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I want to be wrong......I really do, but the sad fact is that I'm totally right and passengers will die due to pilot CRM related issues.
Fly safe!!!
I agree completely with ww1, go-arounds sound cheaper than a hull loss, but what will it cost PAL to change? The problem is PAL Culture rewards assh.... Captains that are macho and bring home the passengers and planes with total disregard to safety. FOs are unwilling to speak up and would rather die together with the Captain screaming into the side of a mountain than getting 'endorsed'.
Recently a Garuda Captain that igonored his FO just found out how good CRM works. He killed 21 passengers and he is gonna spend a couple of years with some nasty inmates that want his virgin ass!!! VOA News - Indonesian Pilot Accused of Crashing Plane by Ignoring Warnings
My point is that PAL culture needs to change before people start dying and Captains get their ass violated by their new best friend in Muntinlupa.
I challenge anyone to prove me wrong. I want to be wrong......I really do, but the sad fact is that I'm totally right and passengers will die due to pilot CRM related issues.
Fly safe!!!
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A330-300 Sydney Fiasco
Wow Wow Taking Off From An Active Runway Without Clearance?,at Least Sa Runway Na,HE HE HE Last Time From Hongkong a few years ago it Was On The Taxiway That Capt Took Off With Clearance Naman He He
presumably Capt. RM ignored the FMA "manual flex, SRS, taxiway" ngek...... / btw did you guys hear the story of an A330 Capt.JH declaring low on fuel cuz he was instructed by the ATC to hold during bad Wx. and refused to do so instead declared emergency....hint?(classmate ni johnny "Kalbo" and julie "Terminal")
presumably Capt. RM ignored the FMA "manual flex, SRS, taxiway" ngek...... / btw did you guys hear the story of an A330 Capt.JH declaring low on fuel cuz he was instructed by the ATC to hold during bad Wx. and refused to do so instead declared emergency....hint?(classmate ni johnny "Kalbo" and julie "Terminal")
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endorsed?
endorsed is such a mild term if you really want to call it that. sir yes sir. PAL is PAL. its just a matter of time before an A320 crashes into a mountain or rams into another airplane. CRM is just something you go through in PLC.
it is not only LT making that happen, its also those monkeys in the front line who instead of making a difference are either kissing behinds or busy quarreling in parking lots over their little thrones in their little aquarium called gate1. freaks rule the aquarium, real fish swim in the ocean.
a pilot contributes to fuel savings by good judgement and airmanship not by how light he packs his navkit and suticase.
a little suggestion to badiolax and koyang. to further contribute to the general welfare of your pilots, why not do it this way: limit the pilot and baggage to 200lb. if by yourself you are already 200lbs, you will be authorized to bring only a toothbrush and nothing more when you RON. that way you also promote physical fitness and for sure everybody will be dieting from now on.
it is not only LT making that happen, its also those monkeys in the front line who instead of making a difference are either kissing behinds or busy quarreling in parking lots over their little thrones in their little aquarium called gate1. freaks rule the aquarium, real fish swim in the ocean.
a pilot contributes to fuel savings by good judgement and airmanship not by how light he packs his navkit and suticase.
a little suggestion to badiolax and koyang. to further contribute to the general welfare of your pilots, why not do it this way: limit the pilot and baggage to 200lb. if by yourself you are already 200lbs, you will be authorized to bring only a toothbrush and nothing more when you RON. that way you also promote physical fitness and for sure everybody will be dieting from now on.
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PAL plane partly skids off Shariff Kabunsuan runway - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
Somebody opened a whole new thread about it on this forum.
PAL plane partly skids off Shariff Kabunsuan runway - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
Somebody opened a whole new thread about it on this forum.
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As the pilot lands, he is advised by ATC to expedite taxi back to ramp to accommodate a second aircraft about to land.
The taxi, supposedly towards the end portion for the procedural 180degree turn, was cut short. Thus, the attempt to 180 at the narrower portion (and a less than perfect execution of the turn) ended up with the incident.
The taxi, supposedly towards the end portion for the procedural 180degree turn, was cut short. Thus, the attempt to 180 at the narrower portion (and a less than perfect execution of the turn) ended up with the incident.
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where will PAL trim down on the "fat"? will it be again on the pilots or this time on the "water heads"?
PAL reports H1 loss of $114 million
Philippine Airlines (PAL) has reported a more than $100 million loss for the fiscal first half, largely as a result of increased costs.
The carrier says in a statement that it suffered a loss of $113.8 million in the April-September period, compared to the profit of $22.7 million that it reported for the same period last year.
PAL recorded a profit in the fiscal first quarter but it says these gains were wiped out in the second quarter, when it fell into steep losses as costs increased.
Revenue rose 16.5% in the first half to $848.7 million as 11.2% more passengers were carried. However total expenses jumped 37.3% to $971.8 million and it says this was "principally the result of the unprecedented surge in fuel prices that occurred in the second quarter".
Philippine Airlines (PAL) has reported a more than $100 million loss for the fiscal first half, largely as a result of increased costs.
The carrier says in a statement that it suffered a loss of $113.8 million in the April-September period, compared to the profit of $22.7 million that it reported for the same period last year.
PAL recorded a profit in the fiscal first quarter but it says these gains were wiped out in the second quarter, when it fell into steep losses as costs increased.
Revenue rose 16.5% in the first half to $848.7 million as 11.2% more passengers were carried. However total expenses jumped 37.3% to $971.8 million and it says this was "principally the result of the unprecedented surge in fuel prices that occurred in the second quarter".
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" Brace ! brace ! brace !!! hopefully the impact will not be too painfull for everyone.
I believed the Philippines has been in Recession since time invented the word. So, its no new thing for the Pinoys. But still Encourage people to continue on buying and investing or should I say to keep on Riding Airplanes. These way, you can keep your job and expect salary increases in the future.
Hiring pilots in my present outfit will resume this Feb 09 and will only be recruiting 150 pilots for the next year, Good luck to those interested.
Cheers!
I believed the Philippines has been in Recession since time invented the word. So, its no new thing for the Pinoys. But still Encourage people to continue on buying and investing or should I say to keep on Riding Airplanes. These way, you can keep your job and expect salary increases in the future.
Hiring pilots in my present outfit will resume this Feb 09 and will only be recruiting 150 pilots for the next year, Good luck to those interested.
Cheers!
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No News with Flydubai right now, seems like they're slowing down on the recruitment stage. I dont think it is wise to join them.
If you have the time for the Majors, why not join EK or EY?
Cheers!!
If you have the time for the Majors, why not join EK or EY?
Cheers!!
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Heart Attack airline?!
I got information that Captains in PAL had heart attack while flying!! Scary!! Pax were not even told of this and LT controlled news media will not broadcast it. My source told me that Captains are too tired of 4 leg sectors & red eye flight.
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It is no secret that PR tech staff have been migrating to the ME for many decades - I've met them in UAE and Saudi and they feel it's the only way they can survive. Evidently the Philippine gov't likes the foreign exchange it brings home.
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Heart Attack Airline
How about those flight deck crew that fly MNL-SFO with only 24 Hours rest and fly back to MNL via Guam then MNL....will they also have heart attack too....but the redundancy is high 4 pilots on board
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missing controllers
probably holiday hangovers?!!? no excuse, though. let's wait and see how our laws and new authorities deal with this. what if the airport was taken over by bad elements or coup plotters? then they would have the three aircraft at their service. hmmm.. was 130.00 on the air at that time?
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Good 1 hour
Are all ZAMBO trips Ecotankering?, whats the planned alternate airports for this trip, Dipolog?Cebu?
How did they managed to hold for an Hour? I wonder if any of these 3 A/C thought of diverting to their alternates. Why risk holding on a NoComm Airport?
So, as Pilots. What did we learn here?
Cheers! and Happy New year!
How did they managed to hold for an Hour? I wonder if any of these 3 A/C thought of diverting to their alternates. Why risk holding on a NoComm Airport?
So, as Pilots. What did we learn here?
Cheers! and Happy New year!
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$120 per barrel of oil
Did somebody from the waterheads screw up big time? I've heard this rumor from 2 unrelated sources that they've bought oil for the next five years at a price pegged at $125 per barrel. This probably happened when oil prices didn't seem to want to slow down.
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Hedging is common practice. It's not just PAL that's in the same boat. I wonder whether airlines which pride themselves on judicious hedging can still claim the same now. Hedging is always smart in a time of rising fuel prices but disastrous when prices go down. Especially as much as they have now.
Five years? Isn't that a bit much? And I doubt it's 100% of their fuel requirement that is being hedged. But yeah, PAL is smarting from fuel hedging, and so are a lot of other airlines. Cathay Pacific, for one, recently announced it has lost $1-B from betting the wrong way.
Five years? Isn't that a bit much? And I doubt it's 100% of their fuel requirement that is being hedged. But yeah, PAL is smarting from fuel hedging, and so are a lot of other airlines. Cathay Pacific, for one, recently announced it has lost $1-B from betting the wrong way.
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