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MH17 down near Donetsk

Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:23
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The European head of Malaysia Airlines has announced nationalities of some of the passengers on board MH17, agencies report.

Among the other nationalities on board were 154 Dutch, 27 Australians, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians, six Britons, four Germans, four Belgians, three from the Philippines and one Canadian.

Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade has established a hotline for anyone who believes a relative may have been on board: 1300 555 135
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:28
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Separatist leader Andrei Purgin told the news agency that he was certain that Ukrainian troops had shot the plane down but gave no explanation or proof for his statement. He said he did not know whether rebel forces owned Buk missile launchers but said even if they did, they had no fighters capable of operating them.
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 reportedly shot down near Ukraine-Russia border - World - CBC News

So, logically, if the rebels do have a BUK operating, it must be operated by Russians?

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A number of airlines said they will avoid the airspace of Eastern Ukraine following the incident.

Angela Mah, a spokeswoman for Air Canada, said the airline had been "proactively" avoiding that airspace for some time.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:33
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Originally Posted by angels
Of course it's too early to attribute blame.

But surely the sighting by an AP journalist of a Buk SAM system in rebel hands in the area today, the announcement by Itar-Tass some days ago that the rebels had a Buk system, the claim by the rebels (since deleted) they had a Buk system and the claim by the rebels they had shot down an AN26 at the same time the MH flight was downed are pointers towards something.....?
It is the deletion of the gloating claim from the 'rebels' to have shot down a Ukrainian transport aircraft at the same time as the MH aircraft was shot down that is more telling. Anyone that wants more evidence is trying to avoid the facts.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:46
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Al Jazeera News MH17

Malaysian jet 'shot down' over Ukraine - Europe - Al Jazeera English
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:48
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Video footage of MH17 crash - CNN

U.S. official: Malaysia Airlines plane shot down - CNN.com
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:49
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Re closure of airspace
Who controls that airspace - The Ukraine so they are the only ones that could close it!!
Airlines can be advised by their governments to avoid that airspace but no other body has the power to close it!
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Did surface-to-air missile take down MH17?

Did surface-to-air missile take down airliner? - CNN.com
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:54
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How come it was filmed

Does anyone else find it odd that someone was conveniently filming the plume of smoke, seemingly straight after the moment of impact? Wasn't as if the camera suddenly turned round to point to it, it already was, perhaps all the way down from FL330 though they haven't published that. Sad, bad day
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:54
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Network Manager Eurocontrol confirms closure of Ukraine Airspace - "routes are now being rejected by Eurocontrol"

EUROCONTROL has been informed that MH 17 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed in the eastern part of Ukraine.

Our thoughts are with the families and friends of those on board.

According to our information, the aircraft was flying at Flight Level 330 (approximately 10,000 metres/33,000 feet) when it disappeared from the radar. This route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying.

Since the crash, the Ukrainian authorities have informed EUROCONTROL of the closure of routes from the ground to unlimited in Eastern Ukraine (Dnipropetrovsk Flight Information Region). All flight plans that are filed using these routes are now being rejected by EUROCONTROL. The routes will remain closed until further notice.

The European Aviation Crisis Coordination Cell is being activated to coordinate the response to the impact of the airspace closure.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:55
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MH17 passports of customs already being shown

I was just watching the UK news (I think ITV) when they showed passports of the customs. They all looked brand new and not like they'd just been in a crash only a few hours before?!

MH17 crash - fresh passports being shown as proof - YouTube
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:56
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Per Stratfor (Geopolitical analysis and consulting -Austin TX)
The Security Service of Ukraine, has intercepts (unconfirmed) of 2 phone calls indicating a pro-Russian rebel group based in Chernukhino, Luhansk province shot down the plane. One is between Igor Bezler described by the Ukrainian report as a Russian military intelligence officer and leading commander of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic and someone the Security Service of Ukraine identifies as Vasili Geranin, a colonel in the main intelligence department of Russia's armed force at 4:40 p.m. local time, 20 minutes after the plane crashed.The second 40 minutes later between 2 militants codenamed "Major" and "Greek".

Transcript: (-The translation from Ukrainian to English was made by Stratfor and is unofficial.)
First call
Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo.
Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?
IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. It's smoking.
VG: How many minutes ago?
IB: About 30 minutes ago.

Second call 40 minutes later

"Major": These are Chernukhin folks show down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.
"Greek": Yes, Major.
"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first "200" (code word for dead person). We have found the first "200." A Civilian.
"Greek": Well, what do you have there?
"Major": In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.
"Greek": Are many people there?
"Major": Holy sh-t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).
"Greek": What kind of aircraft?
"Major": I haven't ascertained this. I haven't been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.
"Greek": Is there anything left of the weapon?
"Major": Absolutely nothing
"Greek": Are there documents?
"Major": Yes

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Old 17th Jul 2014, 21:57
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Reuters report

The Ukrainian government, condemning an act of "terrorism", released recordings it said were of Russian intelligence officers discussing the shooting down of a civilian airliner by rebels who may have mistaken it for a Ukrainian military plane.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:02
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Goodbye MAS

Malaysia Airlines needs radical change - CEO - World News | TVNZ
[June 26] Malaysia Airlines Chairman Mohamad Nor Yusof said the carrier is still "grappling with (repairing) confidence and reputation" after the plane's disappearance but that the company is not currently thinking of bankruptcy as part of a restructuring.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:03
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If those recordings/transcripts are accurate and true, then they are incredibly incriminating and will certainly lead to trouble.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:03
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Ukraine Air Force jet shot down by Russian plane today

Ukraine Air Force jet shot down by Russian plane

Ukraine Air Force jet shot down by Russian plane | Fox News
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:05
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No, I don't find it odd that it was filmed. Because of an upcoming bicycle tour I am following the crisis on Twitter since the end of February. This is the first smartphone-documented conflict and from extremely funny to highly disturbing a lot was filmed and shared!
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:06
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The Guardian reports:

UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon has called for a full international investigation of the crash, AFP reports.

"There is clearly a need for a full, transparent and international investigation," Ban told reporters. He offered condolences to the victims' families.

Britain has called for a UN-led investigation and is seeking an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss the crisis in eastern Ukraine.
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:13
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One correction to translation

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Is there anything left of the weapon?

should be

Are there any weapons on board ?
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Old 17th Jul 2014, 22:21
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Sanctions against Russia by the US to blame?

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...ns/503659.html

Today's downing of MH17 coincides with sanctions imposed by the US

"U.S. President Barack Obama said that in order to avoid sanctions Russia should have halted the flow of weapons and fighters into Ukraine, supported a cease-fire, urged pro-Russian insurgents to release hostages, pursued internationally mediated talks and invited monitors to the Russia-Ukraine border".
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Malaysia PM

Friday, July 18, 04:15 AM SGT +0800 Statement by Prime Minister Najib Razak: Malaysian Airlines flight 17

Yesterday evening, I was informed of the terrible and deeply shocking news that a Malaysia Airlines jet went down in eastern Ukraine.

Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that the jet was Malaysia Airlines flight 17, which was on a scheduled flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

The flight departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm, local time. It was scheduled to arrive in Kuala Lumpur at 6.10 am, local, Malaysian time.

The aircraft was a Boeing 777-200.

The aircraft’s flight route was declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation.

And International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions.

Malaysia Airlines has confirmed that the aircraft did not make a distress call.

The flight was carrying a total number of 295 people – comprising 280 passengers and 15 crew members.

Malaysia Airlines is in the process of notifying the next-of-kin of the passengers and crew. All possible care will be provided to the next-of-kin.

The Government of Malaysia is dispatching a special flight to Kiev, carrying a Special Malaysia Disaster Assistance and Rescue Team, as well as a medical team.

According to information provided by Kiev Air Traffic Control, the location of the plane’s emergency locator beacon is 48 degrees 7 minutes and 23 seconds North; and 38 degrees 31 minutes and 33 seconds East.


The Ukrainian authorities believe that the plane was shot down.

At this early stage, however, Malaysia is unable to verify the cause of this tragedy.

But we must – and we will – find out precisely what happened to this flight.

No stone can be left unturned.

If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice.

Emergency operations centres have been established. In the last few hours, Malaysian officials have been in constant contact with their counterparts in Ukraine and elsewhere.

And I will be speaking to a number of world leaders over the coming hours.

I have had several conversations with the Prime Minister of the Netherlands.

I have also spoken to the President of Ukraine. He has pledged that there will be a full, thorough and independent investigation, and Malaysian officials will be invited to take part.

The Ukrainian president also confirmed that his government will negotiate with rebels in the east of the country, in order to establish a humanitarian corridor to the crash site.

Just now, I received a call from President Obama.

He and I both agreed that the investigation must not be hindered in anyway.

An international team must have full access to the crash site.

And no one should interfere with the area, or move any debris, including the black box.



This is a tragic day, in what has already been a tragic year, for Malaysia.

As we work to understand what happened, our thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of those onboard the flight.

I cannot imagine what they must be going through at this painful time.

The flight’s passengers and crew came from many different countries.

But today, regardless of nationality, we are all united in grief.

ENDS
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