Afriqiyah Airbus 330 Crash
There is a big difference between one airline auditing another and commisioning an audit by an independent body.
Audits are done by experts in safety matters and not by corporations with broader interests.
Audits are done by experts in safety matters and not by corporations with broader interests.
LH auditing them is definitely good news.
I wonder why some are questioning the coice of LH.
They are definitely among the absolutely best airlines when it comes to safety.
Yes you could have probably chosen a hand full other airlines equally well, but probably not really better by any standards.
You may disucss their approach to Customer Service but concerning the hard facts of flying they are among the best.
I wonder why some are questioning the coice of LH.
They are definitely among the absolutely best airlines when it comes to safety.
Yes you could have probably chosen a hand full other airlines equally well, but probably not really better by any standards.
You may disucss their approach to Customer Service but concerning the hard facts of flying they are among the best.
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: EU
Posts: 30
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From the article above:
"Lufthansa Consulting will evaluate each pilot and identify development potential."
You got to love the wording used...
And I read:
"The program, scheduled to take three months..."
So I don't expect a report anytime before that. Although this news might not seem directly related to the accident it wouldn't surprise me if this program will fullfill one of the recommendations in the -still to be published- accident report, box ticked, continue as before...
(all a wild guess/speculation of course...)
"Lufthansa Consulting will evaluate each pilot and identify development potential."
You got to love the wording used...
And I read:
"The program, scheduled to take three months..."
So I don't expect a report anytime before that. Although this news might not seem directly related to the accident it wouldn't surprise me if this program will fullfill one of the recommendations in the -still to be published- accident report, box ticked, continue as before...
(all a wild guess/speculation of course...)
Pegase Driver
Join Date: May 1997
Location: Europe
Age: 74
Posts: 3,692
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good point for the Lybians, you need guts to do an audit like this. I wished more airlines /CAAs had the same guts. Now of course the main point is what you do with the results .
Every airline had their moment, what is important is how you deal about it.
I know a few Ops Training and Safety depts and one thing is for sure, they are one of the best . No question.
.
Although LH have had their moments too
I know a few Ops Training and Safety depts and one thing is for sure, they are one of the best . No question.
.
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: retirementland
Age: 79
Posts: 769
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I agree with lomapaseo.
There is a real danger of just getting a training soloution that looks like LH's but doesn't cope with the local realities.
LH Consulting certainly failed in their assignment to transform the Brazilian offshore helicopter industry.
There is a real danger of just getting a training soloution that looks like LH's but doesn't cope with the local realities.
LH Consulting certainly failed in their assignment to transform the Brazilian offshore helicopter industry.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London
Age: 68
Posts: 1,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Complaints on Dutch NOS TV news from relatives of victims of the Tripoli crash that they hear nothing about the investigation. The intermediaries too are despairing about the lack of information according to the same report
Guest
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: On the Beach
Posts: 3,336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Complaints on Dutch NOS TV news from relatives of victims of the Tripoli crash that they hear nothing about the investigation. The intermediaries too are despairing about the lack of information according to the same report.
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Arizona USA
Posts: 8,571
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Complaints on Dutch NOS TV news from relatives of victims of the Tripoli crash that they hear nothing about the investigation
Let's face facts here.
That NDB approach to runway 09 at TIP is certainly not the most difficult of NDB approaches (two beacons) and although the VOR approach to the same runway is slightly offset, the offset as I recall is in the other direction from where the wreckage was found.
I've personally completed that approach numerous times, yes, even in the early morning sun.
This crew, for whatever reason, apparently had severe difficulty...perhaps by using automatics when they were not especially appropriate for the conditions.
So, LAA have asked for an audit of their ops.
Don't be at all surprised if no results are released, nor acted upon.
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Gone Flying...
Age: 63
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cesco:
Fom the article: allAfrica.com: Nigeria: Libyan, Afriqiyah Airways Embark on Flight Safety Assessment
Its a Libyan decision. An agreement signed between both parties. Nothing more, nothing less than that. And a good move by the Libyans in my point of view, although without the institutional weight of an audit done by some international authorities, but a good corporate governance move anyway.
What determined LH to be the suitable auditor?
The Libyan African Aviation Holding Company (LAAHCo) and Lufthansa Consulting have signed an agreement focused on the safety standards of Libyan Airlines and Afriqiyah Airways.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Floating around the planet
Posts: 386
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why such a surprise for beeing audited by Lufthansa? It`s good.
Korean Air years ago was probably the most dangerous company in the world with almost a loss a year. They were audited by DELTA and since then things to go smoothly.
If you don`t know , ask for help.
Korean Air years ago was probably the most dangerous company in the world with almost a loss a year. They were audited by DELTA and since then things to go smoothly.
If you don`t know , ask for help.
Guest
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: On the Beach
Posts: 3,336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A-3Twenty:
The KAL 747 crash in Guam was an NTSB investigation. The hearing was held in Honolulu (1998). I was a participant in that hearing. The insights were significant, to say the least.
Korean Air years ago was probably the most dangerous company in the world with almost a loss a year. They were audited by DELTA and since then things to go smoothly.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Samsonite Avenue
Posts: 1,538
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If the decision to involve LH was a 'Libyan' decision from the outset, then they are to be applauded. However if it is not, then it would be certainly be fascinating to learn who has turned the thumbscrews. The possibilities are perhaps endless.
You will certainly not be seeing any investigation report and any findings will be kept as confidential as possible. The Libyans were very keen from the outset, to retain executive control of the investigation and not relinquish their oversight. This was undoubtedly done, so that they can control how information is circulated, or not as the case may be.
Further more, the investigation simply cannot be classed as independent and impartial. Afriqiyah and the LCAA are both Government organisations, so the whole process is therefore more of an 'internal inquiry', than a formal investigation. Also bear in mind that the upper echelons at Afriqiyah and the LCAA, will most likely be on first name terms with working relationships that date back long before Afriqiyah existed. As someone who used to fly for a Libyan operator, I can certainly vouch for the fact that the Libyan aviation community is incredibly close knit.
Does anyone know when the accident report will be ready?
Further more, the investigation simply cannot be classed as independent and impartial. Afriqiyah and the LCAA are both Government organisations, so the whole process is therefore more of an 'internal inquiry', than a formal investigation. Also bear in mind that the upper echelons at Afriqiyah and the LCAA, will most likely be on first name terms with working relationships that date back long before Afriqiyah existed. As someone who used to fly for a Libyan operator, I can certainly vouch for the fact that the Libyan aviation community is incredibly close knit.
Last edited by Mister Geezer; 6th Feb 2011 at 00:41.
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Germany
Age: 67
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi,
It seems to me that this is exactly the same situation exists in France (from a few small differences) .... but I disgress ... of course 
Further more, the investigation simply cannot be classed as independent and impartial. Afriqiyah and the LCAA are both Government organisations, so the whole process is therefore more of an 'internal inquiry', than a formal investigation. Also bear in mind that the upper echelons at Afriqiyah and the LCAA, will most likely be on first name terms with working relationships that date back long before Afriqiyah existed. As someone who used to fly for a Libyan operator, I can certainly vouch for the fact that the Libyan aviation community is incredibly close knit.
