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pre eg300 sickness was, if my memory serves me correctly, average 16 days per crew member. if you work a monday to friday desk job and are sick thurs, fri, mon and tues, you are put down for 4 days sick, not 6 ( including sat and sun). pre eg300 if cabin crew were sick on their last two days of their block and again sick on their first two days of their block of work, their days off were included in their total sickness days. BA is very good with numbers. if they looked at historical sickness pre eg300 and reworked the numbers without including the days off in sickness total, i am pretty sure that the number would already have been closer to the 10 days average that it stands at for BA cabin crew at present. two days off above average, perhaps that accounts for the not being able to fly with an ear infection,stomach bug, accidents at work etc
Ba cabin crew are not asking for the number of days allowed off sick to be increased, just that legitimate sickness to be discounted and also not to be bullied by a department there to support crew when they are genuinely sick.
i and the majority of crew are fully supportive of a system that weeds out those that take the mickey of a sickness policy and take unnecessary sick days. i would happily come in and do office work on a day when i have an ear infection which would reduce our absence figures. that however is not an option to BA.
pre eg300 sickness was, if my memory serves me correctly, average 16 days per crew member. if you work a monday to friday desk job and are sick thurs, fri, mon and tues, you are put down for 4 days sick, not 6 ( including sat and sun). pre eg300 if cabin crew were sick on their last two days of their block and again sick on their first two days of their block of work, their days off were included in their total sickness days. BA is very good with numbers. if they looked at historical sickness pre eg300 and reworked the numbers without including the days off in sickness total, i am pretty sure that the number would already have been closer to the 10 days average that it stands at for BA cabin crew at present. two days off above average, perhaps that accounts for the not being able to fly with an ear infection,stomach bug, accidents at work etc
Ba cabin crew are not asking for the number of days allowed off sick to be increased, just that legitimate sickness to be discounted and also not to be bullied by a department there to support crew when they are genuinely sick.
i and the majority of crew are fully supportive of a system that weeds out those that take the mickey of a sickness policy and take unnecessary sick days. i would happily come in and do office work on a day when i have an ear infection which would reduce our absence figures. that however is not an option to BA.
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As someone who is crew for another airline, I have seen a slow erosion of my T and C's. The airline industry has gone for the easy option to cut costs.....work your staff harder, pay them less, get kids living at home with low wage needs and a fast turnover of crew who don't incurr increments.
That all sounds good to the customer who gets a ticket for a couple of quid in some market gimmick. This may sound a little niaive (sorry spelling not good today, its the lack of O2 from working at altitude!) but look around you and see the country going to the dogs. If we always hear the comments "well thats the way things are going these days, its happened in other areas of industry" one day there will be nothing left but rich owners and breadline workers.
The role of cabin crew is not as easy as most SLF think nor do you understand the implications of living our lifestyle...........and before you say "well do something else then". Why should we, WW chose to have the career he has but he has to understand that he does have an obligation to be socially considerate as well as a bean counter.
Whilst BA CC have the excellent T and C's they have, they are still a thorn in the side of most other UK airlines and give the rest of us something to use whenever our management come with a shopping list for more of our T and C's. After all BA are in profit.
BA crew, you have my whole hearted support.
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That all sounds good to the customer who gets a ticket for a couple of quid in some market gimmick. This may sound a little niaive (sorry spelling not good today, its the lack of O2 from working at altitude!) but look around you and see the country going to the dogs. If we always hear the comments "well thats the way things are going these days, its happened in other areas of industry" one day there will be nothing left but rich owners and breadline workers.
The role of cabin crew is not as easy as most SLF think nor do you understand the implications of living our lifestyle...........and before you say "well do something else then". Why should we, WW chose to have the career he has but he has to understand that he does have an obligation to be socially considerate as well as a bean counter.
Whilst BA CC have the excellent T and C's they have, they are still a thorn in the side of most other UK airlines and give the rest of us something to use whenever our management come with a shopping list for more of our T and C's. After all BA are in profit.
BA crew, you have my whole hearted support.
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Well said reverse thruster!
You fail to mention that BA also originally included those off on maternity leave to make the sickness levels sound worse than what they actually were.
For those that do not understand the BA crew frustration, my case is pretty average. Having flown with BA for 27 years with ONLY 11 days sickness in that period, this year had an accident on board trying to release a jammed trolley. Saw doctors downroute, at home and an osteopath. Off originally for 14 days, then two blips soon after amounting to 10 days. This put me into EG300 (10 days within 6 mths). With a Union rep I was subjected to a 45 minute 'interview'. My case was - that the two blips/10 days should be discounted due to accident on board. But no - sent to see BAHS who obviously saw the link between original accident and two blips a few weeks later and told my 'Manager' so.
However my 'Manager' - after much deliberation as he said - just discounted one blip (4 days) leaving me now showing 6 days sickness this year to date.
Sorry to bore you with the facts but after a virtually clear record during 27 years full time flying, I ended up feeling like a naughty boy who must do better next time....
Although not my union I totally support Bassa in their quest and soon believe Amicus will be balloting for action as well.
All it takes, as mentioned in previous posts, is to treat your staff like fellow adults and they will react accordingly.
It really is that easy to 'Manage' people.
You fail to mention that BA also originally included those off on maternity leave to make the sickness levels sound worse than what they actually were.
For those that do not understand the BA crew frustration, my case is pretty average. Having flown with BA for 27 years with ONLY 11 days sickness in that period, this year had an accident on board trying to release a jammed trolley. Saw doctors downroute, at home and an osteopath. Off originally for 14 days, then two blips soon after amounting to 10 days. This put me into EG300 (10 days within 6 mths). With a Union rep I was subjected to a 45 minute 'interview'. My case was - that the two blips/10 days should be discounted due to accident on board. But no - sent to see BAHS who obviously saw the link between original accident and two blips a few weeks later and told my 'Manager' so.
However my 'Manager' - after much deliberation as he said - just discounted one blip (4 days) leaving me now showing 6 days sickness this year to date.
Sorry to bore you with the facts but after a virtually clear record during 27 years full time flying, I ended up feeling like a naughty boy who must do better next time....
Although not my union I totally support Bassa in their quest and soon believe Amicus will be balloting for action as well.
All it takes, as mentioned in previous posts, is to treat your staff like fellow adults and they will react accordingly.
It really is that easy to 'Manage' people.
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My wife has worked for BA since 1994. In that time she has had an excellent attendance record & nothing but good reports from both passengers & fellow crew alike. Until last summer she hadn't had a single days sick leave since January 2003. Unfortunately this year she had an injury which required time off & then a minor operation to repair the damage, which again resulted in her needing four weeks off work, all signed for by both the hospiltal & her GP. You would not believe the downright bullying & threatening behaviour that she had to endure when she returned to work! This unit dares to claim that it is there to SUPPORT the cabin crew!!! It was astounding to think that this was the UK's national carrier behaving in such a low down, scumbag way to their own people.
BA is just too politically correct for it's own good. By that I mean they know damn well who the work shy are but they just can't be seen to target them for fear of appearing to victimise the skivers. Instead it's far better to p!ss off your entire crew, demoralise your work force & drive your best staff to look for a far more rewarding career.
Good luck to the cabin crew they deserve far better from a company of BA's supposed stature.
BA is just too politically correct for it's own good. By that I mean they know damn well who the work shy are but they just can't be seen to target them for fear of appearing to victimise the skivers. Instead it's far better to p!ss off your entire crew, demoralise your work force & drive your best staff to look for a far more rewarding career.
Good luck to the cabin crew they deserve far better from a company of BA's supposed stature.
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By that I mean they know damn well who the work shy are but they just can't be seen to target them for fear of appearing to victimise the skivers
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Ignorance
There is an alarming amount of absolute twaddle posted on this thread by people who clearly know nothing about the subject or CC conditions at BA.
Some say CC at BA live in the past and should move forward, when actually its them thats living in the past. 15 years ago BA were paid more than other crew BUT NOT NOW!
And as always the crew from other airlines b1tch and moan about BA crew conditions and get quite nasty......................hmmmmmm rejection letter sitting in your house perchance?
You say if BA crew dont like it they should leave.....true.......but if you are envious of your (inacurate) perception of BA crew conditions perhaps you should apply (or re-apply as the case may be)!
Some say CC at BA live in the past and should move forward, when actually its them thats living in the past. 15 years ago BA were paid more than other crew BUT NOT NOW!
And as always the crew from other airlines b1tch and moan about BA crew conditions and get quite nasty......................hmmmmmm rejection letter sitting in your house perchance?
You say if BA crew dont like it they should leave.....true.......but if you are envious of your (inacurate) perception of BA crew conditions perhaps you should apply (or re-apply as the case may be)!
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Topslide6, No. What you've replied with is 'complete boll*ks.' If you were an engineer/flight crew then you'd know how the air cond. systems work on an airliner, but that's for another thread surely. Cabin Crew- Best of luck to you! It's about time the current management were made aware of how serious the current situation is WITHIN the airline. Mis-management in the past AND present is the reason we are where we are..........
' If you were an engineer/flight crew then you'd know how the air cond. systems work on an airliner, but that's for another thread surely. Cabin Crew- Best of luck to you! It's about time the current management were made aware of how serious the current situation is WITHIN the airline. Mis-management in the past AND present is the reason we are where we are..........
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Clarity
In the interests of clarity for all, is there anybody who can provide a precise list of the specific BASSA demands and/or grievances behind this dispute (or a link to a site that does).
We all know that many BA crew are unhappy, but many of us would like to understand precisely what they are unhappy about, and more importantly, what would be viewed by BASSA as an acceptable solution to each issue?
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We all know that many BA crew are unhappy, but many of us would like to understand precisely what they are unhappy about, and more importantly, what would be viewed by BASSA as an acceptable solution to each issue?
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Several people have asked, including people from BA but, for some reason, no-one's explained yet.
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An interesting point about BA crew not revealing their pay. However I would suggest no more than any other group on here. I'm not sure if you'll find a complete and up to date breakdown of BA pilots payscales and projected earnings on here for example (if they are on here then I appologise. I am aware there is a comparrison website out there, but the info is old.).
People in general seem to be cagey about what they "earn". It just seems to be human nature.
Cost cutting is as always the name of the game in big business, and where quicker to cut the cost than at the front line, this quickly make the balance sheets look much better and of course management look better (as they are results driven by enlarge).
NOW, ask one group in a company if money can be saved of course they'll say "yes, but not in my dept!". Ask CC they'll say - cut management pay, ask management they'll say - cut pilot pay, ask pilots they'll say - cut CC pay. And so on, and so on, and so on.
I'd hazzard a guess, and say there are savings to be made in all areas of BA (except mine of course! ). But as has been said on the pensions issue thread, BA is the benchark on which all other UK (and some others) airlines negotiate their T&C's. If our slip, so do all the others. Something others from those airlines might like to think about when criticising the unions stance.
Clearly as the Pilots have shown in their pension negotiations, the way forward is discussion, not disruption. And obviously not everyone will be happy with the outcome.
From my own perspective as CC for Ba at LGW for nearly 10 years, the money hasn't changed that much, but the cost of living has. It's getting harder for people to see CC as a career instead of a stepping stone or gap fill job.
BA has always been the airline for a "career". When you see that slipping away from you, people get upset. People hate the money but stay for the job they love. Similarly I've spoken to many who hate the job, but stay for the money (both sides of the FD door).
But hey that's life, you only get one shot.
People in general seem to be cagey about what they "earn". It just seems to be human nature.
Cost cutting is as always the name of the game in big business, and where quicker to cut the cost than at the front line, this quickly make the balance sheets look much better and of course management look better (as they are results driven by enlarge).
NOW, ask one group in a company if money can be saved of course they'll say "yes, but not in my dept!". Ask CC they'll say - cut management pay, ask management they'll say - cut pilot pay, ask pilots they'll say - cut CC pay. And so on, and so on, and so on.
I'd hazzard a guess, and say there are savings to be made in all areas of BA (except mine of course!
). But as has been said on the pensions issue thread, BA is the benchark on which all other UK (and some others) airlines negotiate their T&C's. If our slip, so do all the others. Something others from those airlines might like to think about when criticising the unions stance.Clearly as the Pilots have shown in their pension negotiations, the way forward is discussion, not disruption. And obviously not everyone will be happy with the outcome.
From my own perspective as CC for Ba at LGW for nearly 10 years, the money hasn't changed that much, but the cost of living has. It's getting harder for people to see CC as a career instead of a stepping stone or gap fill job.
BA has always been the airline for a "career". When you see that slipping away from you, people get upset. People hate the money but stay for the job they love. Similarly I've spoken to many who hate the job, but stay for the money (both sides of the FD door).
But hey that's life, you only get one shot.
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So why do they keep coming from Virgin, Easy, Ryanair and bmi? I admit I did fly with someone on shorthaul who said his earnings were on a par with what he earned at Easyjet (about £1700 per month), but he made no bones about the fact that he had to do 3 round trips to Nice and back in a day and sell lots of duty free to achieve that.
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The Issues
I expect crew are ignoring requests for more info on this situation because ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!
Here are the issues, I will not elaborate as it will just degenerate into more slagging off of BA crew. It really is no-ones business except ours and BAs.
Strike ballot Issue 1: EG300
Strike ballot Issue 2: Downroute report time
Strike ballot Issue 3: Preferred Duty sellers
Strike ballot Issue 4: Fixed Links
Strike Ballot Issue 5: Buses
Strike ballot Issue 6: Manchester base
Strike ballot Issue 7: Working Time Legislation 900 hours
Strike Ballot Issue 8: Single Supervisory Grade
Strike ballot Issue 9: Purser / Junior Swap
Strike ballot Issue 10: Post 1997 Pay Scale
Strike ballot Issue 11: Pensions
Strike ballot Issue 12: Gatwick Breakfast Allowance
Here are the issues, I will not elaborate as it will just degenerate into more slagging off of BA crew. It really is no-ones business except ours and BAs.
Strike ballot Issue 1: EG300
Strike ballot Issue 2: Downroute report time
Strike ballot Issue 3: Preferred Duty sellers
Strike ballot Issue 4: Fixed Links
Strike Ballot Issue 5: Buses
Strike ballot Issue 6: Manchester base
Strike ballot Issue 7: Working Time Legislation 900 hours
Strike Ballot Issue 8: Single Supervisory Grade
Strike ballot Issue 9: Purser / Junior Swap
Strike ballot Issue 10: Post 1997 Pay Scale
Strike ballot Issue 11: Pensions
Strike ballot Issue 12: Gatwick Breakfast Allowance
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McCabbage
I am an engineer and i can clear up the issue of the Air situation, on all the types i know >>
The cabin receives cooled / heated air from the air conditioning packs ( which ultimately comes from the engine intake ) mixed with up to 50% cabin air as a reycyling arrangement, so yes you have air recycled partially to you as do all the passengers, i wont comment further there.
The flight deck has a direct feed from number one pack as flow priority, recycled air the same as the cabin is normally fed in but to a lesser extent, on some types the flight deck punkas are the same air as fed to the cabin.
So Mccabbage your not 100% right but basically there.
I am an engineer and i can clear up the issue of the Air situation, on all the types i know >>
The cabin receives cooled / heated air from the air conditioning packs ( which ultimately comes from the engine intake ) mixed with up to 50% cabin air as a reycyling arrangement, so yes you have air recycled partially to you as do all the passengers, i wont comment further there.
The flight deck has a direct feed from number one pack as flow priority, recycled air the same as the cabin is normally fed in but to a lesser extent, on some types the flight deck punkas are the same air as fed to the cabin.
So Mccabbage your not 100% right but basically there.
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I expect crew are ignoring requests for more info on this situation because ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!!!
Here are the issues, I will not elaborate as it will just degenerate into more slagging off of BA crew. It really is no-ones business except ours and BAs.
Strike ballot Issue 1: EG300
Strike ballot Issue 2: Downroute report time
Strike ballot Issue 3: Preferred Duty sellers
Strike ballot Issue 4: Fixed Links
Strike Ballot Issue 5: Buses
Strike ballot Issue 6: Manchester base
Strike ballot Issue 7: Working Time Legislation 900 hours
Strike Ballot Issue 8: Single Supervisory Grade
Strike ballot Issue 9: Purser / Junior Swap
Strike ballot Issue 10: Post 1997 Pay Scale
Strike ballot Issue 11: Pensions
Strike ballot Issue 12: Gatwick Breakfast Allowance
Here are the issues, I will not elaborate as it will just degenerate into more slagging off of BA crew. It really is no-ones business except ours and BAs.
Strike ballot Issue 1: EG300
Strike ballot Issue 2: Downroute report time
Strike ballot Issue 3: Preferred Duty sellers
Strike ballot Issue 4: Fixed Links
Strike Ballot Issue 5: Buses
Strike ballot Issue 6: Manchester base
Strike ballot Issue 7: Working Time Legislation 900 hours
Strike Ballot Issue 8: Single Supervisory Grade
Strike ballot Issue 9: Purser / Junior Swap
Strike ballot Issue 10: Post 1997 Pay Scale
Strike ballot Issue 11: Pensions
Strike ballot Issue 12: Gatwick Breakfast Allowance
Issue 1: You accepted it and took the cash. It's not ideal and needs working on but it's not going away, and widespread discounting if illness will undermine the policy.
Issue 2: So the bus gets to the airport 10 minutes too early. Hardly a strike issue.
Issue 3: Preferred DF sellers is no big deal to BA, I'm sure they could drop it, but you can't blame them for wanting those who get the best sales to keep getting them (incidentally, why does the CSD get double commission when they don't do any of the selling?).
Issue 4: Fixed links. They're coming for T5 whether you like them or not. 1-2-1 tours are going to be a thing of the past.
Issue 5: Yes the buses are late. Yes its a pain in the ass. I'm not sure I'd go on strike over it, or that striking would even make a difference!
Issue 6: MAN base is closed and it isn't coming back. Why no ballot when BHX BAR, GLA BAR or BFS Shuttle bases were closed?
Issue 7: You can't change the law. 900 hours is your max but there's nothing to stop them rostering you SEP on your 24XX days. They can handle those days better but they are still going to exist.
Issue 8: Is this a LGW thing or to do with the loss of the CSD on short haul. The former is already a done deal, the latter another big saving.
Issue 9: Another big saving WW wants.
Issue 10: Dreeeaaaam, dreeeamm dreeeam dreeeeaaaam.....Not in a million years.
Issue 11: Pretty much solved until BASSA started grandstanding. I note they've stopped talking about pensions now.
Issue 12:The token Gatwick point. You should have read the small print on the contract.
I'm sure BA will promise you sympathetic handling on EG300, drop the DF seller scheme, assure you the buses will run on time (they still won't), change downroute report times (they'll slip back to where they were), and maybe just give LGW a breakfast (although I doubt they'd need to to break the strike there). The rest, forget about it. Those issues are against progress and for turning the clock back!
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As already posted elsewhere on this site (my blanking since I'm can't be certain from the original poster's lack of comments in reference to it whether or not this letter's author intended it for publication)....
XXXXX and XXXXXX 15 December 2006
XXXXXX HAVE ASKED XXXXX TO PUBLISH THEIR LETTER TO THEIR MEMBERS. THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED ALL THEIR MEMBERS ENSURE THAT XXXX HAVE THE CORRECT ADDRESSES FOR THEM. THEY ALSO WANT IT KNOWN THEY FULLY SUPPORT XXXXX's POSITION ON ALL OUR POINTS OF CONFLICT.
Dear Colleagues,
As you are aware your union posted a list of failures to agree and impasses at the most recent special NSP held on the 9th November 2006. The following list of issues affects ALL CREW across ALL BASES served by Xxxxxx.
Breakdown in Industrial Relations
For the past year your representatives have battled with the employer at every day forums where unreasonable behaviour has been the rule of thumb; imposition sweeps away any chance of discussion, compromise or mutual agreement. XXXXXX find it increasingly difficult to engage with XX on any points which are controversial, costly or both.
Merger of Post and Pre ‘97 Main Crew Pay Scales
Xxxxxx, as your union, has addressed this issue with Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx at each and every pay negotiation since 1997. We support our colleagues on the new entrant pay scales and believe that the benefits of the new entrant starter rates have borne fruit for XX.
It is our view that with the first group of crew directly affected by these scales, having now reached the top incremental pay point, it is appropriate for us to address this issue on behalf of our members once more.
Purser - Junior Swap on 747
This initiative, we believe, speaks for itself and the ramifications for the future are catastrophic. We believe this is the beginning of an initiative by Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx to remove all but two of the supervisory crew onboard their aircraft.
Promotional opportunities are being removed for our members in XX and this we find unacceptable. A clear example of this can be seen in the imposition of a Purser in charge of the A 321 on EuroFleet.
Preferred Bar Operators
This is a thinly veiled attempt to dismantle our current seniority and bid system. We know from feedback that this system is the preferred method of determining your work position on board.
Your agreement allows you to have an input towards your onboard working position and we are not willing to sit back and allow your agreements to be eroded.
Will this be where Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx stop YOU from having a choice?
Manchester Base closure
We do not believe appropriate consultation or involvement of the TU side was observed in the decision making process when XX chose to close the Manchester base.
With the sell off of XX Connect which part of the business is next? Gatwick? Heathrow EuroFleet? Heathrow Worldwide?
900 hours
We are all affected by this issue. The increase of unusable 24 XX has resulted in the loss of earnings and roster stability for our members.
XX was fully aware of the introduction of this piece of legislation yet appears to have taken very few steps to prepare for the impact this has had on our crew community.
Downroute report time
This issue affects YOU the cabin crew directly due to the increase in security checks/procedures post 9/11 that now result in our reporting anything from 1.5 hours to 2 hours before departure. XX has identified that the cost of this increased time being adsorbed by you, the crew, could amount to anything between 6 and 14 million pounds per annum in saved payments.
YOUR cabin crew agreement state clearly that you are on duty one hour prior to the scheduled departure time.
EG300
All parties accept that this process is not working to its fullest potential. We believe it is being used as a disciplinary tool as opposed a supportive mechanism to improve attendance.
Fixed Links
The trial that was conducted at Heathrow approx 2 years ago was proving unsuccessful, and was suspended due to the imposition of a single purser in charge of the A 321. Crew’s refreshment breaks were affected and now it is being revisited as a cost saving to XX. We believe this proposal will contravene certain aspects of the working time directive.
As you can see the list of disagreements is not exhaustive but at the present time XX has resisted all of the approaches made by your representatives to resolve these issues. In conclusion we would like to offer XX the opportunity to enter into meaningful and productive discussions to resolve the issues mentioned above. Should XX fail to respond to this request within 7 days from the date of this letter, we will have no option but to consult with you in a more formal manner.
If you have moved or your details have changed, please let the offices know so we can keep you up to date with developments.
Yours sincerely,
Xxxxxx Xxxxx Xxxx Xxxxxxxx.
XXXXXX HAVE ASKED XXXXX TO PUBLISH THEIR LETTER TO THEIR MEMBERS. THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED ALL THEIR MEMBERS ENSURE THAT XXXX HAVE THE CORRECT ADDRESSES FOR THEM. THEY ALSO WANT IT KNOWN THEY FULLY SUPPORT XXXXX's POSITION ON ALL OUR POINTS OF CONFLICT.
Dear Colleagues,
As you are aware your union posted a list of failures to agree and impasses at the most recent special NSP held on the 9th November 2006. The following list of issues affects ALL CREW across ALL BASES served by Xxxxxx.
Breakdown in Industrial Relations
For the past year your representatives have battled with the employer at every day forums where unreasonable behaviour has been the rule of thumb; imposition sweeps away any chance of discussion, compromise or mutual agreement. XXXXXX find it increasingly difficult to engage with XX on any points which are controversial, costly or both.
Merger of Post and Pre ‘97 Main Crew Pay Scales
Xxxxxx, as your union, has addressed this issue with Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx at each and every pay negotiation since 1997. We support our colleagues on the new entrant pay scales and believe that the benefits of the new entrant starter rates have borne fruit for XX.
It is our view that with the first group of crew directly affected by these scales, having now reached the top incremental pay point, it is appropriate for us to address this issue on behalf of our members once more.
Purser - Junior Swap on 747
This initiative, we believe, speaks for itself and the ramifications for the future are catastrophic. We believe this is the beginning of an initiative by Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx to remove all but two of the supervisory crew onboard their aircraft.
Promotional opportunities are being removed for our members in XX and this we find unacceptable. A clear example of this can be seen in the imposition of a Purser in charge of the A 321 on EuroFleet.
Preferred Bar Operators
This is a thinly veiled attempt to dismantle our current seniority and bid system. We know from feedback that this system is the preferred method of determining your work position on board.
Your agreement allows you to have an input towards your onboard working position and we are not willing to sit back and allow your agreements to be eroded.
Will this be where Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxxx stop YOU from having a choice?
Manchester Base closure
We do not believe appropriate consultation or involvement of the TU side was observed in the decision making process when XX chose to close the Manchester base.
With the sell off of XX Connect which part of the business is next? Gatwick? Heathrow EuroFleet? Heathrow Worldwide?
900 hours
We are all affected by this issue. The increase of unusable 24 XX has resulted in the loss of earnings and roster stability for our members.
XX was fully aware of the introduction of this piece of legislation yet appears to have taken very few steps to prepare for the impact this has had on our crew community.
Downroute report time
This issue affects YOU the cabin crew directly due to the increase in security checks/procedures post 9/11 that now result in our reporting anything from 1.5 hours to 2 hours before departure. XX has identified that the cost of this increased time being adsorbed by you, the crew, could amount to anything between 6 and 14 million pounds per annum in saved payments.
YOUR cabin crew agreement state clearly that you are on duty one hour prior to the scheduled departure time.
EG300
All parties accept that this process is not working to its fullest potential. We believe it is being used as a disciplinary tool as opposed a supportive mechanism to improve attendance.
Fixed Links
The trial that was conducted at Heathrow approx 2 years ago was proving unsuccessful, and was suspended due to the imposition of a single purser in charge of the A 321. Crew’s refreshment breaks were affected and now it is being revisited as a cost saving to XX. We believe this proposal will contravene certain aspects of the working time directive.
As you can see the list of disagreements is not exhaustive but at the present time XX has resisted all of the approaches made by your representatives to resolve these issues. In conclusion we would like to offer XX the opportunity to enter into meaningful and productive discussions to resolve the issues mentioned above. Should XX fail to respond to this request within 7 days from the date of this letter, we will have no option but to consult with you in a more formal manner.
If you have moved or your details have changed, please let the offices know so we can keep you up to date with developments.
Yours sincerely,
Xxxxxx Xxxxx Xxxx Xxxxxxxx.
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Quoting CanrageMatey
It's not ideal and needs working on
Thats all we want, they have imposed changes AFTER AGREEMENT.
(incidentally, why does the CSD get double commission when they don't do any of the selling?)."
Here here!
Issue 10: Dreeeaaaam, dreeeamm dreeeam dreeeeaaaam.....Not in a million years.
Dont think you understand this one. We are not asking for us all to be put on the pre 1997 basic.
It's not ideal and needs working on
Thats all we want, they have imposed changes AFTER AGREEMENT.
(incidentally, why does the CSD get double commission when they don't do any of the selling?)."
Here here!
Issue 10: Dreeeaaaam, dreeeamm dreeeam dreeeeaaaam.....Not in a million years.
Dont think you understand this one. We are not asking for us all to be put on the pre 1997 basic.
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But you are asking that after 7 or so years people will transition to the old contract pay scales, which not only adds significant costs but also flies in the face of what is surely managements desires to increase crew turnover rates. Which is why they won't do it.
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Not working for BA or as Cabin crew but from an outsiders perspective it seems other Airlines manage with just a purser in charge of the Cabin on
an A321.
The union talks about this removing promotional opporutunities from its members.
If BA decides to replace some 747-400's with smaller 777's in the future does this mean that this will be a striking issue as presumably the fewer cabin crew needed will decrease the promotion somewhat?!?!
With downroute report times are BA crew not paid for duty when they start at LHR and continue until they get back to LHR again? If this is the case then presumably reporting 30 mins earlier downroute would not affect pay at all? Unless BA have a different way of doing things?
Just a couple of questions so those not directly involved can get a better understanding of your issues with BA.
an A321.
The union talks about this removing promotional opporutunities from its members.
If BA decides to replace some 747-400's with smaller 777's in the future does this mean that this will be a striking issue as presumably the fewer cabin crew needed will decrease the promotion somewhat?!?!
With downroute report times are BA crew not paid for duty when they start at LHR and continue until they get back to LHR again? If this is the case then presumably reporting 30 mins earlier downroute would not affect pay at all? Unless BA have a different way of doing things?
Just a couple of questions so those not directly involved can get a better understanding of your issues with BA.