BA Cabin Crew Strike Threat
BA Cabin Crew Possible Walk Out
In all this current mess, there seems to be very little mention of a rather important aspect, THE PASSENGERS!!. The very people who by paying their fare, are effectively paying the salaries of all the BA personnel, Aircrew & the rest.
I can not comment on the merits of any possible strike, but do not forget the passengers folks in all this, there are alternative carriers you know!
I can not comment on the merits of any possible strike, but do not forget the passengers folks in all this, there are alternative carriers you know!
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Hey there
I was giving the good ol' Sun a read as there was nothing better laying about, ok, in fact there was nothing else laying about at all, anyway great article in there on page eleven, this guy obviously knows what he's talking about!
For those lucky enough not to have stumbled apon this gem, on the proposed BA CC strike he surmises that not only are cc not needed, but neither are "co-pilots",because as he puts it "co-pilots don't actually do anything except talk about their golf swing" and goes on to suggest that they act as cc.
Wonderful enlightening piece that completely re-ignites my love for Jounalists!
Thought I would share the love!
I was giving the good ol' Sun a read as there was nothing better laying about, ok, in fact there was nothing else laying about at all, anyway great article in there on page eleven, this guy obviously knows what he's talking about!
For those lucky enough not to have stumbled apon this gem, on the proposed BA CC strike he surmises that not only are cc not needed, but neither are "co-pilots",because as he puts it "co-pilots don't actually do anything except talk about their golf swing" and goes on to suggest that they act as cc.
Wonderful enlightening piece that completely re-ignites my love for Jounalists!
Thought I would share the love!
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In all this current mess, there seems to be very little mention of a rather important aspect, THE PASSENGERS!!. The very people who by paying their fare, are effectively paying the salaries of all the BA personnel, Aircrew & the rest.
I can not comment on the merits of any possible strike, but do not forget the passengers folks in all this, there are alternative carriers you know!
I can not comment on the merits of any possible strike, but do not forget the passengers folks in all this, there are alternative carriers you know!
It makes you think, doesn't it.
Is this the reaction of a group of people who are reluctantly taking industrial action, knowing that it could be extremely damaging to their employer, after all other possibilities have been exhausted?
Or are they just spoiling for a scrap?
Is this the reaction of a group of people who are reluctantly taking industrial action, knowing that it could be extremely damaging to their employer, after all other possibilities have been exhausted?
Or are they just spoiling for a scrap?
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I think Carnage Matey! et al understand where I'm coming from. I haven't made any postings regarding what CM has said in relation to the strike as I think CM has very informed views of the situation. I tend to agree with most unemotional, factual things CM posts.
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At least the cabin crew of this "tinpot airline" have balls...and that includes the girls!
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Im going to gracefully bow out of this debate me thinks. Far too many know it alls and american attitudes. Thank god I live in a real democracy where by people have the right to stand up and defend their way of life and resist bending over and taking it up the trap all in the name of capitalism! Even if things do change and we lose...at least we can say we went down fighting!
We should know tomorrow if there actually will be a strike. Sorry many of you feel that BA crew are all spoilt and crap at our jobs, clearly your opinion will not be swayed away from that.
Gas thing is I remember similiar responses about the EI crew so Im not particularly bothered!
And to the passengers...again apologies if anything happens. But dont attack the crew, attack the managers....cos WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THEIR BULLYING!!!
We should know tomorrow if there actually will be a strike. Sorry many of you feel that BA crew are all spoilt and crap at our jobs, clearly your opinion will not be swayed away from that.
Gas thing is I remember similiar responses about the EI crew so Im not particularly bothered!
And to the passengers...again apologies if anything happens. But dont attack the crew, attack the managers....cos WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THEIR BULLYING!!!
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The issues have been aired, the frustrations are now well understood, even if many of you on here prefer to take pot shots from a position of having VERY little to lose.
This comment
Sums it all up eloquently.
This comment
EGLD - maybe what you are witnessing are some very brave people about to take on the ego's of certain people in Waterworld and its just an outpouring of relief by one and all that thay are all thinking on the same lines.
At least the cabin crew of this "tinpot airline" have balls...and that includes the girls!
At least the cabin crew of this "tinpot airline" have balls...and that includes the girls!
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EGLD - maybe what you are witnessing are some very brave people about to take on the ego's of certain people in Waterworld and its just an outpouring of relief by one and all that thay are all thinking on the same lines.
At least the cabin crew of this "tinpot airline" have balls...and that includes the girls!
At least the cabin crew of this "tinpot airline" have balls...and that includes the girls!
Possible BA Cabin Crew Strike
Ok Folks, there has been a great deal posted here on this subject, some sensible in my opinion, some not so.
I certainly agree with the `arguement, that if a strike does go ahead for whatever reason, in the end it can & will only end in tears for both the Airline & the Staff`.
The simple reason for this is, the PASSENGRES (remember them???), will have long gone to other & possibly better carriers.
Perhaps its about time the passengers `downed tools` & decided to strike!!, now that would be fund would it not!!
I would suggest, pax have a much more valid reason to strike, than possibly the BA Cabin Crew. After all most passengers these days are treated little better than cattle, from the moment of check in until they exit their destination terminal. On arrival some of the pax may be lucky enough to be reunited with their baggage, unless this is is still lost in some dark & dusty part of EGLL T1 -4!!
I certainly agree with the `arguement, that if a strike does go ahead for whatever reason, in the end it can & will only end in tears for both the Airline & the Staff`.
The simple reason for this is, the PASSENGRES (remember them???), will have long gone to other & possibly better carriers.
Perhaps its about time the passengers `downed tools` & decided to strike!!, now that would be fund would it not!!
I would suggest, pax have a much more valid reason to strike, than possibly the BA Cabin Crew. After all most passengers these days are treated little better than cattle, from the moment of check in until they exit their destination terminal. On arrival some of the pax may be lucky enough to be reunited with their baggage, unless this is is still lost in some dark & dusty part of EGLL T1 -4!!
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I worked for Big Airways for 10 years, leaving about a year and a half ago. I can sympathise with the cabin crew, but I sincerely hope another strike doesn't go ahead. I hope some negotiation can sort this out. The trouble is that BA's reputation for striking is getting to be quite something. I can see there may be a lot of passengers out there, who. if planning an important trip, might think 'I'll go on BA....Hmm, maybe it's not worth the risk actually'.
It would be a real shame if BA's reputation keeps going down the pan like this.
It would be a real shame if BA's reputation keeps going down the pan like this.
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I think that the passengers will not be as vulnerable to disruption as people think.The last few wildcat strikes that were carried out by the plebs in lhr over the last few years caught everyone by surprise and there was no just cause behind them.Since these strikes are official the company will know what days and time period the strikes will be going on for and therefor will be able to accomodate the pax on alternative flights reducing the any impact on the image of the company.Even the passengers have noticed the deterioration of customer service provided and the declining moral of the staff since the leprechaun arrived at waterworld
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What other action is available to crew? If you are fed up with your lot, what do you do? Withdraw good will; work with lack of enthusiasm? I know then more cynical would say leave.
Both sides should be brave and look at the list and find at least one middle ground item. Both sides owe that to the rest of their colleages and the people who pay the wages.
I hope pride does not step into this. Just think of the obvious benefits to industrial relations, if, through negotiation, a safisfactory solution is found before any disruption hits.
Both sides should be brave and look at the list and find at least one middle ground item. Both sides owe that to the rest of their colleages and the people who pay the wages.
I hope pride does not step into this. Just think of the obvious benefits to industrial relations, if, through negotiation, a safisfactory solution is found before any disruption hits.
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Hi Litebulbs
I think we probably met in the past.
What i would like to hear from the cabin crew and Bassa is they have tried many many times to negotiate and BA have refused, they have offered compromise and other solutions but BA has refused, until i hear that i am finding it hard to sympathise.
So EG300 - well its the same for the rest of us, i don't like it but what the hell if the cabin crew feel they are a special case because of colds etc then surely that applies to the pilot community as well and i don't hear them moaning ( which they like to do ), i feel the cabin crew issues are probably their local management, if i am at stage 2 or what ever of a sickie and i have been ill then let um try and intimidate me, i just show them the ramp with the snow and rain, talk them thought a typical 12 hour nightshift and at the end they are surprised its only stage 2.
As for the other issues i hope you can sort them out, one or two i agree needs resolving especially the bus driver one, i would imagine WW could sort that easily ( if your reading this Willy ) by paying up all the drivers that are going atT5 and getting a 1 year contract with someone else - its not rocket science Willy.
I support any group that's being shafted but your issues really should be easily solved, as for CSDs and maintaining them i recommend you concentrate on looking after the majority rather than the minority, as an engineer with sorry to admit some years of experience than i care to admit i know the CSD is a dead duck, face it and move on you will not win that one.
As for Captains ( blimey here we go ) many times i have had problems with CSDs and pursers over technical issue and had to push them aside to the Captain, sadly i have friends who really couldn't run a boys club that are BA captains, that aside i have to respect the fact they are the responsible person for the flight and if something goes wrong its their neck, similarly if something goes technically wrong its mine ( so if i sign its as ok its ok right! ).
The Pension issue i can go with you on as there seems very few safeguards, i am suprised the Nigels have gone for it and after 10 years BA might be laughing about it at our cost, however the deal thats offered is still better for you than i and our lot will probably accept it.
So come on guys and Girls push for a fix to this rather than hope for a fight, i am not a shareholder and i probably could find another job but i enjoy working with yourselves and the pilots, i cant say we as Engineers wouldn't go into industrial action over an issue but i know we would be clear about what had changed rather than just being unhappy with how life is, if your smart you have things to negotiate with ( that will cost you little to give up but save BA a packet ) and many of them have been mentioned in these very posts here ( working one down etc etc ) - make something positive from it and i hope you all do.
I think we probably met in the past.
What i would like to hear from the cabin crew and Bassa is they have tried many many times to negotiate and BA have refused, they have offered compromise and other solutions but BA has refused, until i hear that i am finding it hard to sympathise.
So EG300 - well its the same for the rest of us, i don't like it but what the hell if the cabin crew feel they are a special case because of colds etc then surely that applies to the pilot community as well and i don't hear them moaning ( which they like to do ), i feel the cabin crew issues are probably their local management, if i am at stage 2 or what ever of a sickie and i have been ill then let um try and intimidate me, i just show them the ramp with the snow and rain, talk them thought a typical 12 hour nightshift and at the end they are surprised its only stage 2.
As for the other issues i hope you can sort them out, one or two i agree needs resolving especially the bus driver one, i would imagine WW could sort that easily ( if your reading this Willy ) by paying up all the drivers that are going atT5 and getting a 1 year contract with someone else - its not rocket science Willy.
I support any group that's being shafted but your issues really should be easily solved, as for CSDs and maintaining them i recommend you concentrate on looking after the majority rather than the minority, as an engineer with sorry to admit some years of experience than i care to admit i know the CSD is a dead duck, face it and move on you will not win that one.
As for Captains ( blimey here we go ) many times i have had problems with CSDs and pursers over technical issue and had to push them aside to the Captain, sadly i have friends who really couldn't run a boys club that are BA captains, that aside i have to respect the fact they are the responsible person for the flight and if something goes wrong its their neck, similarly if something goes technically wrong its mine ( so if i sign its as ok its ok right! ).
The Pension issue i can go with you on as there seems very few safeguards, i am suprised the Nigels have gone for it and after 10 years BA might be laughing about it at our cost, however the deal thats offered is still better for you than i and our lot will probably accept it.
So come on guys and Girls push for a fix to this rather than hope for a fight, i am not a shareholder and i probably could find another job but i enjoy working with yourselves and the pilots, i cant say we as Engineers wouldn't go into industrial action over an issue but i know we would be clear about what had changed rather than just being unhappy with how life is, if your smart you have things to negotiate with ( that will cost you little to give up but save BA a packet ) and many of them have been mentioned in these very posts here ( working one down etc etc ) - make something positive from it and i hope you all do.
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Rimmer,
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Enjoyed your last post, the point about the Pilots want this new deal, think it might just be because they getting a 19% basic pay rise, am sure that if the company offered all staff a pay rise of 19% all this pension talk would be over and all efforts could be focused on customers.
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Good luck to the CC union today, but the feeling I get is , the managers hear what is being said, but have little understanding of how it is in the real world
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Enjoyed your last post, the point about the Pilots want this new deal, think it might just be because they getting a 19% basic pay rise, am sure that if the company offered all staff a pay rise of 19% all this pension talk would be over and all efforts could be focused on customers.
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Good luck to the CC union today, but the feeling I get is
, the managers hear what is being said, but have little understanding of how it is in the real world
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That is utter rubbish. There is no 19% pay rise. COuld you please quantify what you mean?
I believe you are referring to the rise in PENSIONABLE PAY to 95%!!! SOmething that BALPA indentified as a possible area to improve fthe deal for flying staff. (and yes that does incluse cabin crew too.)
Something i guess BASSA have skipped over with all the spin they are putting out at the moment.
That is utter rubbish. There is no 19% pay rise. COuld you please quantify what you mean?
I believe you are referring to the rise in PENSIONABLE PAY to 95%!!! SOmething that BALPA indentified as a possible area to improve fthe deal for flying staff. (and yes that does incluse cabin crew too.)
Something i guess BASSA have skipped over with all the spin they are putting out at the moment.
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Thanks for the reply and i do hope today brings something positive.
With regards to the pension ( and this is an engineer speaking ) the pilots and yourselves have a slightly better deal than i But >>>
As we are all going STRAIGHT to a 65 NRD date now ( rather than any 5 year transitions as previous ) it was identified by Balpa that the 5 years has a monetary value, what has happened to dampen the effect of the 5 years is that amount ( £15 Million i believe ) has been split between Pilots and yourselves to buffer it, in the pilots that's uplifting their Pensionable pay to 95% ( only that accrued after April 07 is at 95% ) but not sure how that is for yourselves, i know its a buffer for all those that were due to retire at 55.
Is that fair? well initially i was angry about it, however when i found out the full details and considering you guys were on a promised NRD of 55 then i guess it maybe is.
Saying that --- If the pilots stay on to 60 and a lot already want to then all it does is give them more money ( which is going to cost me loads for the same ), how will our lot see this - badly i suspect!
Thanks for the reply and i do hope today brings something positive.
With regards to the pension ( and this is an engineer speaking ) the pilots and yourselves have a slightly better deal than i But >>>
As we are all going STRAIGHT to a 65 NRD date now ( rather than any 5 year transitions as previous ) it was identified by Balpa that the 5 years has a monetary value, what has happened to dampen the effect of the 5 years is that amount ( £15 Million i believe ) has been split between Pilots and yourselves to buffer it, in the pilots that's uplifting their Pensionable pay to 95% ( only that accrued after April 07 is at 95% ) but not sure how that is for yourselves, i know its a buffer for all those that were due to retire at 55.
Is that fair? well initially i was angry about it, however when i found out the full details and considering you guys were on a promised NRD of 55 then i guess it maybe is.
Saying that --- If the pilots stay on to 60 and a lot already want to then all it does is give them more money ( which is going to cost me loads for the same ), how will our lot see this - badly i suspect!
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