BA Cabin Crew Strike Threat
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I to feel that BASSA is falling right into a trap that little Willie has been waiting to spring. The Cabin crew agreements need to be changed in order for BA to remain competitive with other airlines. BASSA have made a big mistake by not showing any willing to negotiate in the past couple of years, there should have been some pro-active approaches made to the company to start negotiations before a strike ballot was issued. What BASSA have done now is provide Willie with an ideal opportunity to break the union. I truely believe that at some point in the next day or two Willie will announce a complete stop in the commercial flying program at BA starting on Monday, aircraft will still be moving around the network to keep them in the correct place and to solve the problem of not enough room at LHR to park up. There will be no return to work for Cabin Crew on Thursday, Willie will keep the airline grounded (in passenger terms), with the exception of a few wet leased services until the crew are pleading with him to be allowed back to work. Willie sees this as his one opportunity to take a short term hit in order to completely restructure old and tired agreements. Why have the negotiations in the last week collapsed..... because Willie doesn't want them to suceed. Who can blame him really, average of 24 sick days a year is just taking the p*ss, why did BASSA agree to the new sickness policy only a year ago, could it have anything to do with the £1000 the company paid to each crew member. Watch this space, it is going to be an interesting couple of weeks.
BA may not be a low-cost carrier but neither are the comeptitors with whom our CC supervisory levels were compared. Somebody talked about looking after our customers. Is that what this is about? Hardly! CC object to fixed links and operate a scheduling agreement that frequently disrupts services because of slightly late arrivals. The irony is, of course, that they are very keen to operate to their industrial agreement on scheduling but not so keen on EG300 to which they also agreed (and were paid).
Buses? Been said before but commuting is a lifestyle choice and I can't remember seeing it written that BA would contractually agree to provide a bus service so people can commute to work. So although never contractually obligated, you're demanding that the company provide buses. Funny old world but I thought it was my responsibility to get to work - not the company's!
Cat payments? Bin 'em. Proposed fixed link payments? You are joking, aren't you? Retaining all those CSDs for absolutely no reason? Well, why not let's have flight engineers and navigators back.
More fixed links -> buses and drivers can be used to get people home in the evening rather than shuttling cc to the Cat Lounge or the CC for however long it takes to "eat at table."
Is BA a commercial company or a welfare service? Oh, stupid me.
Buses? Been said before but commuting is a lifestyle choice and I can't remember seeing it written that BA would contractually agree to provide a bus service so people can commute to work. So although never contractually obligated, you're demanding that the company provide buses. Funny old world but I thought it was my responsibility to get to work - not the company's!
Cat payments? Bin 'em. Proposed fixed link payments? You are joking, aren't you? Retaining all those CSDs for absolutely no reason? Well, why not let's have flight engineers and navigators back.
More fixed links -> buses and drivers can be used to get people home in the evening rather than shuttling cc to the Cat Lounge or the CC for however long it takes to "eat at table."
Is BA a commercial company or a welfare service? Oh, stupid me.
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Get real!
Artificial Horizon - you are so right, yet BASSA reps either can't see it - or won't as they need to flex their muscles occasionally, and we who are knocking our pipe out at the sharp end, will suffer. We've been saddled with EG300, and didn't get a penny for taking on this admittedly harsh system.
While Crew are at home or picketing or Waitrose shopping, ( or GOING SICK! ) we'll be dealing with the wretched scenario of more lost bags (interline) and more terribly upset and let down passengers, all vowing to avoid BA in the future.
Crew are being so badly led and advised on this occasion; it's obvious to everyone else that you're leading your colleagues down a one-way slippery slope.
Get real!!
While Crew are at home or picketing or Waitrose shopping, ( or GOING SICK! ) we'll be dealing with the wretched scenario of more lost bags (interline) and more terribly upset and let down passengers, all vowing to avoid BA in the future.
Crew are being so badly led and advised on this occasion; it's obvious to everyone else that you're leading your colleagues down a one-way slippery slope.
Get real!!
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great, great post about the busses, if thats the case, why dont we scrap all the busses that BA put on to get to Waterworld, Cranebank etc.? that way everyone can get public transport to their location of work, because there is public transport to all of them, maybe a bit inconvenient for some, but hey, ho, as long as it saves the company money. any suggestions?
Thank you. I though so too.
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so i take it you agree that all the commuter busses should be scrapped, i mean after all, its not in anyones contract of employment that they will be layed on?
You are sooooo missing the point. You have been balloted on strike action on something which has never been contractually agreed. I don't really mind whether the company lays on buses or not but you are talking about massive disruption to our customers over trivia. Trivia which, by the way, the company has already agreed to re-instate. Unfortunately, however, that's not good enough because your leadership is not looking for resolution but confrontation. They want "respect!" Again, this doesn't appear to be any contractually binding demand to which the comany could accede.
Me too :-) BA management are a bunch of sh1t5. Good luck. Hope your action achieves something useful for you all.
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I am only SLF and therefore only pay BA employees wages, nothing special I know, but I control who I fly with when travelling on business and obviously do so when flying for personal reasons so I have an interest in this strike. In effect I am stakeholder in the business. It strikes me that BA CC employees have missed a very important point. If I were WW I would welcome a strike from CC. I would dismiss all those on strike without exception. I would then (over time obviously) employ cheaper people from eastern Europe, from India, from SE Asia, from China, from South America, from Africa and from the Carribean who would want to be associated with such a valuable and prestigious name as BA. And I would base them in their own countries and pay them local rates. Truly a world airline then. Please bear in mind that I know nothing of the merits of this strike, nor do I care frankly, but I do care about the service I get from the company and the individuals I interact with (they are different). And I have to say that I think there is a problem with both in BA at the moment, and in short that problem is that I am regarded as a nuisance that gets in the way of getting aircraft from A to B. I suspect WW knows that the problem is systemic throughout the customer interface and is well aware that it needs to be fixed.
Fantastic - looks like I'll dodge a night DME!
Edited to point out that we'll be losing money as a result of the cc action - thanks, chaps!
Edited to point out that we'll be losing money as a result of the cc action - thanks, chaps!
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Impotent Managers & Spiteful Gays
Why is there persisitently on this thread the need to knock BA CC and their present T & C's. The crew are only trying to hang on to what they have already got in the whole.
Its a British thing...to knock those at the top and bring them down to the lowest level.
Its a British thing...to knock those at the top and bring them down to the lowest level.
BA have manipulated the sickness figures: they include maternity as 'sickness' to strengthen their case & manipulate the statistics to prove that their most valuable customer service staff members are swinging the lead. If they want to make savings then they should get rid of several layers of useless, self-important (or should that be impotent) managers.
My wife works as CC for BA. Three months ago she had her first bout of sick leave since December 2001 & had to undergo minor surgery, she was quickly calling in 'fit' for work: the way in which she was treated was absolutely vile, beyond belief for a company of BA's alleged standing.
WW, wake up! You have a top heavy management & a spiteful gay mafia who are making a total cock up (no pun intended) of leadership, & inspiring their crew.
Good luck to the BA cabin crew for aviation industry's sake.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
BBC: BA walkout delayed for 24 hours
The start of a planned strike by British Airways cabin crew has been postponed for 24 hours, the T&G union has announced. The union explained that the move would allow more time for talks.
The start of a planned strike by British Airways cabin crew has been postponed for 24 hours, the T&G union has announced. The union explained that the move would allow more time for talks.
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Whether the Union move is to try to keep BA manegement off balance or not who knows. Personally as a passenger could I request WW just shut the damn operation down now and give us our money back so we can rebook elsewhere.
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BA delay walk out for 24hrs - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6295029.stm
Hmmm ... wonder what effect this will really have.
Jordan
Hmmm ... wonder what effect this will really have.
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Whether the Union move is to try to keep BA manegement off balance or not who knows
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Or perhaps it is to do with the fact TGWU turned down BA's offer of independent arbitration. Perhaps the independent minds at acas would have banged both sides heads together, somebody should.