BA Cabin Crew Strike Threat
Controversial, moi?
Norodnik wrote:
What a crass statement! FL is probably the person LEAST likely to miss the point. At least his posts are grammatically correct and he can spell.
CFC said:
Because BASSA is not trying to 'hang on to what they have already got' but trying to improve an already good package while resisting overdue and needed changes to archaic working practises.
atyourcervix said:
And very nice it is too now that we are not subjected to your unfounded, widesweeping clichéd rants which you consistently failed to qualify when challenged.
How magnanimous of BASSA to postpone the strike by one day now that we have caused those passengers due to fly that day to book elsewhere or change their intended date of travel.
Surely they aren't looking for a face saving climbdown?
Flying Lawyer misses the point, as most lawyers would.....
CFC said:
Why is there persisitently on this thread the need to knock BA CC and their present T & C's. The crew are only trying to hang on to what they have already got in the whole.
atyourcervix said:
Its so nice to see others verbally sparring, I'm worn out
How magnanimous of BASSA to postpone the strike by one day now that we have caused those passengers due to fly that day to book elsewhere or change their intended date of travel.
Surely they aren't looking for a face saving climbdown?
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And very nice it is too now that we are not subjected to your unfounded, widesweeping clichéd rants which you consistently failed to qualify when challenged.
)Its also nice to see your snippy, and poisonous commentary.....very nice indeed
I am particularly impressed at how you can singularly fail to accept that there are those who have a different viewpoint to you in a debate. You are a rare breed indeed Mr Mouse, and I can only hope that one day, after much practise, I shall be able to plumb the depths of your septic views on such issues
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I have heard that when BASSA made this 'announcement' of a delay to their strike action, 'willie' was on the verge of announcing a series of flight cancellations starting this evening with the view of having the whole fleet grounded by the weekend. This seems to me that BASSA is trying a last ditch PR stunt knowing that the writing is on the wall for them. The announcement has now been delayed until tommorrow afternoon. I personally think that BASSA is on the run, the company are refusing to negotiate and are just saying 'we can last without cabin crew longer than cabin crew can survive without pay'. BASSA have backed themselves into a corner and seem to be taking all of their members into a very dangerous confrontation. This confrontation could possibly be justified if the reasons for the ballot were big enough issues not the bunch of meaningless tripe backing this action.
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My wife checked in early on a Sunday morning with a young chap who suggested he felt awful. She felt sorry for the chap who had only been on the line for three weeks and had gone sick the previous weekend so felt he could not go sick again.
The loads were light so he was found a seat at the back of the airbus and slept for most of the two sectors. The rest of the crew, feeling sorry for him, basically shared is duties.
On returning to Heathrow, while on the crew transport to the carpark, she commented that he looked much better. He replied that he did indeed feel better after getting some sleep, especially as he had been out at a gay club on Saturday night and had returned home with only just enough time to put on his uniform prior to leaving for the early check-in. My wife in no uncertain terms suggested he was very lucky they had left Compass as if they had still been in the building she would have marched him up to a manager to explain his actions.
The problem is a small proportion of cabin crew have been taking the rest for a ride for far too long. They join to be part of a hard working crew but just look after number one.
The loads were light so he was found a seat at the back of the airbus and slept for most of the two sectors. The rest of the crew, feeling sorry for him, basically shared is duties.
On returning to Heathrow, while on the crew transport to the carpark, she commented that he looked much better. He replied that he did indeed feel better after getting some sleep, especially as he had been out at a gay club on Saturday night and had returned home with only just enough time to put on his uniform prior to leaving for the early check-in. My wife in no uncertain terms suggested he was very lucky they had left Compass as if they had still been in the building she would have marched him up to a manager to explain his actions.
The problem is a small proportion of cabin crew have been taking the rest for a ride for far too long. They join to be part of a hard working crew but just look after number one.
Outcomes?
What is the current betting within BA about
1/ The future of lhr and lgw based S/H routes after a strike?
2/ The salary of the top BASSA official, (which is rumoured to be the highest in the T&G?
3/ The 2007 BA CC sickness rate coming down to the UK norm of 4 days?
thanks
a (currently ex-) customer
1/ The future of lhr and lgw based S/H routes after a strike?
2/ The salary of the top BASSA official, (which is rumoured to be the highest in the T&G?
3/ The 2007 BA CC sickness rate coming down to the UK norm of 4 days?
thanks
a (currently ex-) customer
I may be affected by the CC strike but I do think some posts here are very unfair on the CC themselves. I am sure there are working procedural issues that are a bit arcane and need sorting out that peopel do not want to give up on but why on earth would anyone expect airline cabin crew to have the same sickness rates as the UK average. How do you feel 'Mr Angry Pax or ex-Pax when you have got off along haul flight . how would you like to do it every week . I know some people do that sort of flying (I have myself at times) but they do get paid a great deal more than most CC and I dont have to stand most of the way either.
It is very sad trend in this country to assume that management are always reasonable and staff are always rabid luddites. I mean we have wonderful management in UK dont we er . BP, Railtrack. Fairpak, the Banks, etc etc as in everything some are good and some a not good.
This is a difficult situation for all and I hope common sense prevails on both sides and the cabin crew leaders do relaise they need to give a bit to keep the airline competitive and Mr Walsh remembers his job is moving passengers not proving how tough he is and seeing if you really can get the entire BA fleet into LHR at one time.
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It is very sad trend in this country to assume that management are always reasonable and staff are always rabid luddites. I mean we have wonderful management in UK dont we er . BP, Railtrack. Fairpak, the Banks, etc etc as in everything some are good and some a not good.
This is a difficult situation for all and I hope common sense prevails on both sides and the cabin crew leaders do relaise they need to give a bit to keep the airline competitive and Mr Walsh remembers his job is moving passengers not proving how tough he is and seeing if you really can get the entire BA fleet into LHR at one time.
PB
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atyourcervix- I have kept out of this 'discussion' (rant) and 'the Mouse' has spoken consistently common sense and put the position as I see it. It seems superfluous to comment. Artificial Horizon puts is so well too. You are undoubtedly heading for a fall. The motivation to drag you out seems to be some old 70s TGWU political dogma, and you will all be the casualties. Your strike will fail as the majority chicken out- dismissals will be widespread until enough chicken out that the union will be broken. A totally daft basket of non-motivating excuses to strike. All in the cause of refusing to update working practices, as if CC are so powerful that you cannot be attacked. Well those days are gone, everybody is sick of the ease with which CC disrupt the operation, often seemingly out of simple bloody mindedness. Time to come up to date!
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I think your closer to the truth Hotel Mode though I can't imagine the BASSA reps have done much flying of late, mind you I'd like to have seen Willie recalling all the aircraft over the next few days and having a lock out.
Mr Walsh's job is running a business - efficiently and profitably. That includes keeping control of the overheads and using the workforce productively.
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Rainboe, this is truly disconcerting news, I thought BALPA (my union) had reached a tentative agreement with BA
I don't think anyone has suggested they should! Only that they are, perhaps, excessively high (flight crew, as has been pointed out, have significantly less sick days on average).
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Get a life!!
Actually Finals, I don't think the comeback was all that great; Rainboe obviously thought AYC knew so much about everything that heshe was Crew. We seem to be suffering from a lot of aircon experts here, somehow linking air to health and health to the action, as though EG300 is all the strike's about. The strike is about T&G heading for an amalgamation with another union and trying to be top dog by using old fashioned and highly dangerous methods. Just as T&G reps bully on the Ground, they're at it in the air!
Do you know what the rule is for CC89 recruitment - don't!!! T&G have all the aces as usual, but sadly their over confidence is going to badly injure some fine people, be they Crew, Ground staff or - wait for it - our fare paying customers.
Do you know what the rule is for CC89 recruitment - don't!!! T&G have all the aces as usual, but sadly their over confidence is going to badly injure some fine people, be they Crew, Ground staff or - wait for it - our fare paying customers.
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Of course the real gotcha on sickness is not about flying with the punters causing more illness its that not only do other airlines have lower sickness rates but even within BA they vary from 4.6% at LGW to at 7.7% WW LHR so you cant blame the environment entirely.
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After a 10 hours on the 744 the humidity levels are less than 10% - and thats in the flight deck. Since the humidifiers were deactivated there have been lots more flight crew having sinus infections, etc...
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Interesting post from the discussion in the CC forum today -
The more I hear/read, the more annoyed I get. Most Yes voters don't even know the reasons why they said yes. I've been on to the bassa forum, where I got such a bashing for having a different opinion. The behaviour of the members of that forum has left me so disgusted that I'm now leaving bassa because I felt bullied by my so-called colleagues (so much for them being bullied by management). By one poster, I was told "nobody likes you, nobody cares about you, why don't you just F*** off?". So much for being adults, eh?
I can't believe these people may lose me my job.
Originally Posted by Glamgirl
The more I hear/read, the more annoyed I get. Most Yes voters don't even know the reasons why they said yes. I've been on to the bassa forum, where I got such a bashing for having a different opinion. The behaviour of the members of that forum has left me so disgusted that I'm now leaving bassa because I felt bullied by my so-called colleagues (so much for them being bullied by management). By one poster, I was told "nobody likes you, nobody cares about you, why don't you just F*** off?". So much for being adults, eh?
I can't believe these people may lose me my job.
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We seem to be suffering from a lot of aircon experts here, somehow linking air to health and health to the action, as though EG300 is all the strike's about
After a 10 hours on the 744 the humidity levels are less than 10%
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Get real
You're right Finals. Your life is great. What a shame it's about to go down the pan along with mine and a lot of good folks. You've had the good life, and thanks for your help here, for too long at the expense of the rest of us. Now get realistic, don't be conned by bad reps; read the messages, not just the convenient ones, and realise that your support is close to zero within our airline community, and among our fare paying customers.