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Flying Lawyer, excellent post (as always)
You as well as others have notice that the BASSA arguments are full of rhetoric but short on fact.
The latest BASSA update again is full of innacuracies/half truths
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Where is the reference for this or is it just hearsay? On the 777 there is no control of aircon pack flow into the cabin. On the A320, there is some control, but my recollection is that is only turned down is the aircraft is less than half full.
Not fitted to the 777 or airbus. I believe the 747 had them but now deactivated as they were unrelieable and there was a bad smoke/fumes incident when one went wrong. Where is the research that says no humidifiers increases the risk of infections. My understanding is that bugs thrive in moist, damp atmospheres, not dry ones.
Complete rubbish. Where does this oxygen come from? Yes, the door is usually shut and the airflow is also a bit higher, but that is for smoke protection and equipment cooling reasons, not to reduce the risk of infection.
Attendance management:-
BASSA are being a bit more realistic here. The problem is BA People department have come up with a 'one size fits all' policy which works great for ground staff but not so well for flying staff. e.g., with a broken ankle, you can do an office job but not a flying job but this is counted as sickness against the flyer. Same for colds etc. However, BASSA are milking it for all it's worth with items such as
How either of those differ from ground staff is lost on me. Also, the famous ingrowing toenail appears to have disappeared 
Completely agree
Upper deck purser:-
This one is just a 'jobs for the boys' (and girls) argument. BA have offered severance packages for existing pursers/CSDs and increased part-time to keep the promotion flow coming. While I accept reduced promotion opportunities can be dispiriting, it is not a reason to strike. There are currently 5 supervisory grades on a 747 and BA want to replace one with a main crew member. At LGW now, 777s are being operated with 2 supervisory grades (which, incidentally, BASSA agreed to). The best way to protect promotion opportunities is through a strong & expanding BA.
Down route report time:-
BASSA give away their true motives here, not getting the duty hours correct but getting more money.
Pensions:-
BASSA conveniently forget to mention the £6m per annum that has been ringfenced to help negate the effects of the increased retirement age. If used in the same way as the pilots have done, pensionably pay scales could be raised by approx 20%. If this is done and the age 60 option is taken (8.25% contribution), they would get back close to the position they want for only 8.25%, not 17.5% as claimed.
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Again. true colours shown here. All the stuff about how our members need a break and have to eat etc are discarded in favour of a payment again.
900hr
This one is a cracker. Firstly, they conveniently (again) forget to mention the 2000 duty hours part of the law and then they go on to interpret the european working time directive as "we can only do 900hrs work in a year". Funny old thing, the pilots who are in the same aircraft do their couses, sim checks, SEP, training duties etc in addition to the '900hrs flying'.
New entrant pay:-
Again, BASSA forget to mention that THIS IS AN EXISTING AGREEMENT THAT THEY SIGNED UP TO at the conclsion of their last sick out/strike in 1997. BASSA now want to break their own agreement.
I also have found that most CC I speak to have been whipped up by dire predictions of doom and gloom such as the notorious 'diary of a stewardess, 2017'. They think that BA has proposed (as Eddy thinks) to cut their pay by up to 40% and put them two to a room in airport hotels for 12hr nightstops on the West coast of the USA. Look at BASSAs 12 points and see if any of that is actually there.
Standing by for more incoming messages high on emotion but short on fact.
I can't help thinking about the last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth, as Edmund Blackadder and all his fine friends go over the top as they blindly follow the orders of their leaders, only to be met by the sounds of machine guns.
I do hope the CC survive this. They are a fine bunch of people who do a great job - they are just being poorly let, IMHO
You as well as others have notice that the BASSA arguments are full of rhetoric but short on fact.
The latest BASSA update again is full of innacuracies/half truths
BA saves money by reducing the amount of fresh air circulated through the aircraft cabin.
Where is the reference for this or is it just hearsay? On the 777 there is no control of aircon pack flow into the cabin. On the A320, there is some control, but my recollection is that is only turned down is the aircraft is less than half full.
Humidifiers are also often deactivated for both passengers and cabin crew. This increases the risk of infection.
The flight deck has a self-contained atmosphere with a far higher oxygen level.
Attendance management:-
BASSA are being a bit more realistic here. The problem is BA People department have come up with a 'one size fits all' policy which works great for ground staff but not so well for flying staff. e.g., with a broken ankle, you can do an office job but not a flying job but this is counted as sickness against the flyer. Same for colds etc. However, BASSA are milking it for all it's worth with items such as
Severe emotional trauma through a life event - the death of a love one, victim of a violent crime etc.
Down route sickness.
Down route sickness.
Good sickness records should also be taken into account. We all get sick sometimes, that needs to be recognised and people helped not punished.
Upper deck purser:-
We can’t accept the removal of promotion opportunity coupled with the continuance of a discriminatory pay scale for post 1997 crew. It’s simply wrong.
Down route report time:-
Management researched and acknowledged the legitimacy of our claim and said that to take into account the additional duty time to accommodate post September 11th security checks would cost an extra £6.2 million.
As a gesture of conciliation, BASSA agreed to give up our claim on this issue and use this cost instead towards improving the new entrant pay scales.
As a gesture of conciliation, BASSA agreed to give up our claim on this issue and use this cost instead towards improving the new entrant pay scales.
Pensions:-
In BA’s latest pension proposals the buy back for Cabin Crew it is an additional 17.5%. Nearly 3 times the cost than for ground staff!
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We want savings to be used to create a standby payment of £20 per person per standby.
900hr
The law says you cannot fly above 900 hours; we want this to be honoured. Any “down time” to be made available to crew for rest and recuperation, as the law intended.
New entrant pay:-
We would like to clarify exactly where we are, especially in relation to the new starter rates.
One of the most important issues is new entrant pay and a clear and unequivocal joining of the two pay scales.
One of the most important issues is new entrant pay and a clear and unequivocal joining of the two pay scales.
I also have found that most CC I speak to have been whipped up by dire predictions of doom and gloom such as the notorious 'diary of a stewardess, 2017'. They think that BA has proposed (as Eddy thinks) to cut their pay by up to 40% and put them two to a room in airport hotels for 12hr nightstops on the West coast of the USA. Look at BASSAs 12 points and see if any of that is actually there.
Standing by for more incoming messages high on emotion but short on fact.
I can't help thinking about the last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth, as Edmund Blackadder and all his fine friends go over the top as they blindly follow the orders of their leaders, only to be met by the sounds of machine guns.
I do hope the CC survive this. They are a fine bunch of people who do a great job - they are just being poorly let, IMHO
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Cervix,
The air in most of the aircraft (maybe not 75, never flown it) is recirculated and the filters are not good enough to remove viruses. In some of the aircraft you can smell the First/Business Pax having a dump!
I am looking at it from another airline's perspective on the outside and whilst there may well be a reduction in BA's CC conditions, they will still have it better than industry average. 900hrs? 22 sick days? I am not for mass erosion of conditions but someone earlier talked about fighting battles you can win.
A lot of the points raised by BASSA appear utter trivia and divert from the key points. My missus worked for BA through the 94' strike and she was branded a black leg. She was junior crew at the time and really didn't give a toss about most of the issues. At a party one night, a Purser that was commuting from Barbados tried to explain to me how outrageous it was that her way of life was under threat.
Please explain to me in the briefest of factual terms what the status quo was, what the company are trying to do to you and then why you (not BASSA) feel it is wrong.
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Ghost
The air in most of the aircraft (maybe not 75, never flown it) is recirculated and the filters are not good enough to remove viruses. In some of the aircraft you can smell the First/Business Pax having a dump!
I am looking at it from another airline's perspective on the outside and whilst there may well be a reduction in BA's CC conditions, they will still have it better than industry average. 900hrs? 22 sick days? I am not for mass erosion of conditions but someone earlier talked about fighting battles you can win.
A lot of the points raised by BASSA appear utter trivia and divert from the key points. My missus worked for BA through the 94' strike and she was branded a black leg. She was junior crew at the time and really didn't give a toss about most of the issues. At a party one night, a Purser that was commuting from Barbados tried to explain to me how outrageous it was that her way of life was under threat.
Please explain to me in the briefest of factual terms what the status quo was, what the company are trying to do to you and then why you (not BASSA) feel it is wrong.
Kind regards,
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The air in most of the aircraft (maybe not 75, never flown it) is recirculated and the filters are not good enough to remove viruses. In some of the aircraft you can smell the First/Business Pax having a dump!
Please explain to me in the briefest of factual terms what the status quo was, what the company are trying to do to you and then why you (not BASSA) feel it is wrong.
This is either a result of a deliberate policy, a result of mismanagement, or a combination of the two.
That is why BASSA (whatever the rights and wrongs are) enjoys such overwhelming support.
BTW, I'm only voicing my opinions and observations here
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Well on the 75/76 there exists a pressure differential between F/D and cabin,...the F/D gets 100% fresh from the left pack...no recirc air, I suspect it is the same on most boeings. (I've never flown 73,74,77 etc...but there seems to be plenty of similarities, particularly with air systems)
That is why BASSA (whatever the rights and wrongs are) enjoys such overwhelming support.
The people I feel sorry for are the genuine a-political cabin crew out there who are, possibly, a little naive. They are being manipulated, imho, by the union reps for their own reasons, and it is they (not the reps) who will come out the worse for this ill-considered dispute.
BTW, I'm only voicing my opinions and observations here
Which you are perfectly entitled too. I am captaining a flight to the US getting back to LHR on Sunday. This will probably give the crew Mon-Wed off - the days of the strike. Following this they will prob be rostered work Thurs-Sat/Sun; again giving them the next 3 strike days off. I expect them to be very relieved about not having to strike!
For every crew like them, there will be honest crew members who have to make potentially life-changing decision twice if they have Mon-Wed reports.
Good luck - I fear you will need it.
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Cervix,
Thanks for posting and it's good to hear an alternative point of view.
Personally, I have always got on with the CC and think they do a great job. I am not one of those extreme FD you talk about. However, as my post above illustrates, I believe they are being led straight into the guns by a 1970s style leadership who have kept some important bits of the truth from them. I have no problem with them striking, so long as they have been given ALL the facts. Did you think 'diary of a stewardess, 2017' was factual?
Ghostflyer asked you
Your reply was
I'm sorry, but you reply contained not one FACT, just opinion. You even used the term IMHO. This strike is ostensibly not about "treating CC as disposable", it is about the 12 items. Please can you answer Ghostflyer's question.
I know emotions are high and some of the more rabid posts from flight crew on here have not helped, but I am fed up of spin and rhetoric from BASSA just as much as I am fed up of spin from BA. All IMHO
Thanks for posting and it's good to hear an alternative point of view.
Personally, I have always got on with the CC and think they do a great job. I am not one of those extreme FD you talk about. However, as my post above illustrates, I believe they are being led straight into the guns by a 1970s style leadership who have kept some important bits of the truth from them. I have no problem with them striking, so long as they have been given ALL the facts. Did you think 'diary of a stewardess, 2017' was factual?
Ghostflyer asked you
Please explain to me in the briefest of factual terms what the status quo was, what the company are trying to do to you and then why you (not BASSA) feel it is wrong.
Simple, the company treat CC staff as disposible and with scant regard for their welfare IMHO.
This is either a result of a deliberate policy, a result of mismanagement, or a combination of the two.
This is either a result of a deliberate policy, a result of mismanagement, or a combination of the two.
I know emotions are high and some of the more rabid posts from flight crew on here have not helped, but I am fed up of spin and rhetoric from BASSA just as much as I am fed up of spin from BA. All IMHO
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From the 777 manual..
"The flight deck receives 100% fresh conditioned air from the left pack only, and
is maintained at a slightly higher pressure than the passenger cabin to prevent
smoke from entering the flight deck." as per the 757 and 767
On the 747...
I believe the F/D comes from pack 1 (bleed air from No 1 and 2) with option of introducing trim air....
As you say a little knowledge is dangerous
Fred he asked for my opinion, not for a factual summation of the issues..which is why he said "feel it is wrong"
All I can offer is opinion, I'm not a member of CC.
If you believe that..(note I haven't said Bassa are playing fair) then thats up to you.
From the 777 manual..
"The flight deck receives 100% fresh conditioned air from the left pack only, and
is maintained at a slightly higher pressure than the passenger cabin to prevent
smoke from entering the flight deck." as per the 757 and 767
On the 747...
I believe the F/D comes from pack 1 (bleed air from No 1 and 2) with option of introducing trim air....
As you say a little knowledge is dangerous
Fred he asked for my opinion, not for a factual summation of the issues..which is why he said "feel it is wrong"
All I can offer is opinion, I'm not a member of CC.
This strike is ostensibly not about "treating CC as disposable", it is about the 12 items. Please can you answer Ghostflyer's question.
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.have you ever taken a moment to think about the lesser paid and well pampered staff who do all the hard work on the ground during disruption,severe weather and the peak travel periods.
one instance of fc flexibilty was a crew positioning n to operate out the next day were on a flight that was only delayed by 30 mins but they insisted that the morning service they were operating be delayed ecause of the times from chalk to chalk.now correct me if i'm wrong but they had just sat on their a***s for the whole time more than likely sleeping so how can you justify the delay to the high fare paying business passengers of that morning flight.
one instance of fc flexibilty was a crew positioning n to operate out the next day were on a flight that was only delayed by 30 mins but they insisted that the morning service they were operating be delayed ecause of the times from chalk to chalk.now correct me if i'm wrong but they had just sat on their a***s for the whole time more than likely sleeping so how can you justify the delay to the high fare paying business passengers of that morning flight.
i would bet u that one look out my window in a 37kt x-wind on a wet runway with severe turb and wind shear would both explain why i get paid what i do and send you running for the safety of the terminal. sitting on our a*** and sleeping, you've never done a man-lhr or lgw -cdg shuttle then. as for the rest times, since you haven't been specific i can't really comment. i know i prefer the pilot of my aircraft to be rested when he flys me and my family.
as a commuter i have spent many days in the the terminal watching the staff 'cope' with the disruption. if i was a paying pax i wouldn't touch us with a barge pole. when i need to get home on time and without putting up with attitude i fly bmi. for every 1 time i've seen ba customer service staff defuse problems i've watched them create 2 more! i could list them but i won't since this is a thread about cc.
as for the regions, they have my support and sympathy. the pension deal on the table and the fate of the regions are not linked. i think ww is making a huge mistake with the regions but your assertion that the pilots have secured a pension deal that is screwing the rest of the company is way off the mark.
as an aside if the cc at lhr were up to the standard of the gla/edi guys (a standard of service and profesionalism that the rest of the airline never get close to reaching) i would be 100% behind bassa's demands.
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Spoke to some crew recently who were very relieved to have nightstops or be downroute on sunday night..........so they didn't have to strike, plus since they aren't officially on IA as they are not at base they will being paid overtime/boxes or whatever its called for the 3 days they will probably be stranded (win win eh?).I have a feeling that BA won't send out any of the last wave on sunday night to avoid having crews all over the place for days and days.
We'll see i guess.
d2k.
We'll see i guess.
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You may be correct , but the (appalling) tech manuals available to us, suggest that all air (from packs and reconditioned) is fed into a single manifold, from which air is fed to both cabin and flight deck.
As to it being 'pressurised' into the flight deck, you would probably notice this when opening the door, with an outflow of air. Conversely, we would not expect, if this were the case, to notice the 'arome' from the pax loos (which we do!).
You may be correct , but the (appalling) tech manuals available to us, suggest that all air (from packs and reconditioned) is fed into a single manifold, from which air is fed to both cabin and flight deck.
As to it being 'pressurised' into the flight deck, you would probably notice this when opening the door, with an outflow of air. Conversely, we would not expect, if this were the case, to notice the 'arome' from the pax loos (which we do!).
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cervix,
have you got all the tm's at home?
in 6 months and your an expert on the bus, 757, 767, 777 and reliably informed on the 747-400! you must be a joy to pass the hours with.
all the cc that have talked to me about the 'oxy scandal' seem to believe it's a conspiracy, a direct assault on their health by the company. come on lets be real.
you've only been in 6 months and your married to one so your objectivity and experience are both limited. cc took sickies at an amazing rate prior to eg300. (you were not even in the company so you won't remeber.) now they are bleating that they come to work sick. i haven't seen it myself. your earlier statement that i was worried i would lose if the cabin crew won some concessions as a result of strike action is non-sensical. what exactly do i/we stand to lose from their strike (appart from the obvious damage to the company)
the truth is that the abuse of the system prior to eg300 has made the company synical. having refused to operate so as to attend a close friends funeral i have a great deal of symapthy for the prediciment they are sometimes placed in. however the truth was that 22 days was taking the p*ss. the evidence was that sickness was highest at the same days every year, often by the same people, go figure!
having just read the bassa pravda i am left thinking it was typed by a hissy queen with a mental age of 13. when ww takes away their staff travel, annual bonus and sacks a few to make a point he will break this strike in days. why, because the truth is the crew are striking for a poorly thought out wishlist which fly's in the face of the reality we work in. when they realise that, as many already are, they will panic and fold.
balpa was careful to understand what we pilots were prepared to fight for. they got it right, as did the company, which is why the pension deal is a compromise which keeps us at work and the company moving forward. bassa appears to confuse posturing as a blank cheque for further demands, bad start point. i have no doubt they will lose.
unfortunatley by the time they realise we will all have lost.
have you got all the tm's at home?
in 6 months and your an expert on the bus, 757, 767, 777 and reliably informed on the 747-400! you must be a joy to pass the hours with.
all the cc that have talked to me about the 'oxy scandal' seem to believe it's a conspiracy, a direct assault on their health by the company. come on lets be real.
you've only been in 6 months and your married to one so your objectivity and experience are both limited. cc took sickies at an amazing rate prior to eg300. (you were not even in the company so you won't remeber.) now they are bleating that they come to work sick. i haven't seen it myself. your earlier statement that i was worried i would lose if the cabin crew won some concessions as a result of strike action is non-sensical. what exactly do i/we stand to lose from their strike (appart from the obvious damage to the company)
the truth is that the abuse of the system prior to eg300 has made the company synical. having refused to operate so as to attend a close friends funeral i have a great deal of symapthy for the prediciment they are sometimes placed in. however the truth was that 22 days was taking the p*ss. the evidence was that sickness was highest at the same days every year, often by the same people, go figure!
having just read the bassa pravda i am left thinking it was typed by a hissy queen with a mental age of 13. when ww takes away their staff travel, annual bonus and sacks a few to make a point he will break this strike in days. why, because the truth is the crew are striking for a poorly thought out wishlist which fly's in the face of the reality we work in. when they realise that, as many already are, they will panic and fold.
balpa was careful to understand what we pilots were prepared to fight for. they got it right, as did the company, which is why the pension deal is a compromise which keeps us at work and the company moving forward. bassa appears to confuse posturing as a blank cheque for further demands, bad start point. i have no doubt they will lose.
unfortunatley by the time they realise we will all have lost.
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But there are not enough facts here to judge that crews decision because we don't know what their preceding duty was.
This thread makes for interesting reading. Some CC (Eddy) claim that their wages are going to be cut by 40%. And the answer which keeps returning after questions are asked is that not all the points for strike are mentioned in the 12 items.
Personally i would get a FACT on this thread if my wages were indeed cut by 40%. Because if thats the truth than you will find support on this site. not with the current list.
If there are more items that you are going to strike over than please make them public on this board. Instead of repeating yourselves that it is not our business. You owe it to your passengers to let them know why their service/plans are disrupted.
Got luck to all.
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Sorry heavy heavy...
I suspect I fall into the "jack of all trades..master of none" category
You are right of course, my experience is limited, my objectivity on the other hand is just fine TYVM.....
You have your opinion, fine, I have mine
Topbunk, check your PM's
Some techy stuff for you
I suspect I fall into the "jack of all trades..master of none" category
you've only been in 6 months and your married to one so your objectivity and experience are both limited. cc took sickies at an amazing rate prior to eg300. (you were not even in the company so you won't remeber.) now they are bleating that they come to work sick. i haven't seen it myself. your earlier statement that i was worried i would lose if the cabin crew won some concessions as a result of strike action is non-sensical
You have your opinion, fine, I have mine
Topbunk, check your PM's
Some techy stuff for you
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If you are a BA pilot, you get very well paid for flying in those adverse conditions and a applaud your trained skill in doing your job. That pilot following you down the slope, in say a less prestigiously painted aircraft, could be equally skilled, but possibly on not quite the same package. Should I be more fearful on that jet, rather than yours? You get paid what you get paid, cabin crew get paid what they get paid.
I do find the BASSA statement a bit odd though. It isn't going to win many friends.
If you are a BA pilot, you get very well paid for flying in those adverse conditions and a applaud your trained skill in doing your job. That pilot following you down the slope, in say a less prestigiously painted aircraft, could be equally skilled, but possibly on not quite the same package. Should I be more fearful on that jet, rather than yours? You get paid what you get paid, cabin crew get paid what they get paid.
I do find the BASSA statement a bit odd though. It isn't going to win many friends.
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As BA crew, I too think hourly rate is the way forward - BA wants to introduce them to smoothen out attendance issues with respect to certain flights (difficulty in crewing flights to India for instance, where allowances are poor). The hourly rate has little to do with saving money and much more to do with correcting intolerably high absence.
Pros:
Attendance issues (hopefully) resolved (no one will have any reason not to turn up for a BOM).
In short, everyone gains. What exactly is BASSA's problem?
May I also add - I don't agree that ANY of the 12 points BASSA have outlined justify this strike...some of their points are unjustified altogether.
Yes, I was one of the few (330) that voted NO...I am certain that more may have seen the light (or simply possessed some common sense or objectivity) if BASSA hadn't done such a great job of brainwashing 96% of the membership...
Sorry fellow crew, but I'm not stupid...
Pros:
Attendance issues (hopefully) resolved (no one will have any reason not to turn up for a BOM).
In short, everyone gains. What exactly is BASSA's problem?
May I also add - I don't agree that ANY of the 12 points BASSA have outlined justify this strike...some of their points are unjustified altogether.
Yes, I was one of the few (330) that voted NO...I am certain that more may have seen the light (or simply possessed some common sense or objectivity) if BASSA hadn't done such a great job of brainwashing 96% of the membership...
Sorry fellow crew, but I'm not stupid...
' and thereby stitching up QRS or Home Stbys. It's a point of principal isn't? By the way, I think it's fair to say the sickness rate amongst FC is low and rare on 'Indian' routes.
I spoke to our CC on my last nightstop, they are sick to death of BASSA and judging by letters in London newspapers the general public show little, if any sympathy.
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CFC - Smell the Coffee seems to be enlightened CC. Perhaps you could justify the 'difficulty' of crewing Indian flights and 'no one would have a reason not to turn up for a BOM'?? As I ask, please explain how CC can call-in sick or 'stuck in traffic ' and thereby stitching up QRS or Home Stbys. It's a point of principal isn't?
By the way, I think it's fair to say the sickness rate amongst FC is low and rare on 'Indian' routes.
I spoke to our CC on my last nightstop, they are sick to death of BASSA and judging by letters in London newspapers the general public show little, if any sympathy.
' and thereby stitching up QRS or Home Stbys. It's a point of principal isn't? By the way, I think it's fair to say the sickness rate amongst FC is low and rare on 'Indian' routes.
I spoke to our CC on my last nightstop, they are sick to death of BASSA and judging by letters in London newspapers the general public show little, if any sympathy.
So the truth is out DarkStar - you are just another armchair observer putting your two penneth' in for whatever reason - amongst many on this thread making comments without supporting facts.
I can only speak from experience and find Indian services no different to many others, and there are many others that are worth less financially.
Unfortunately what you read in the press is sometimes planted there for the likes of you - e.g. 'ingrown toenail' story supplied by BA Press office.
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top pay does not equate to top quality, i agree without a doubt. i also agree with the principle that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. so for the majority of pilots in the majority of airlines (ba included) i think you probably have average pilots being paid an approriate salary on a roughly level playing field.
i think the above principles applied to the cc hold true. ba has chosen to pay the top wages in the market. the cc will tell you that they are the best and deserve those wages.
they apparently now think they deserve more.
top pay does not equate to top quality, i agree without a doubt. i also agree with the principle that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. so for the majority of pilots in the majority of airlines (ba included) i think you probably have average pilots being paid an approriate salary on a roughly level playing field.
i think the above principles applied to the cc hold true. ba has chosen to pay the top wages in the market. the cc will tell you that they are the best and deserve those wages.
they apparently now think they deserve more.
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The flight deck has a self-contained atmosphere with a far higher oxygen level.
Fred he asked for my opinion, not for a factual summation of the issues..which is why he said "feel it is wrong"
Please explain to me in the briefest of factual terms
I notice you have not picked up on/ignored any of my other points such as:-
Did you think 'diary of a stewardess, 2017' was factual?
BASSA conveniently forget to mention the £6m per annum that has been ringfenced to help negate the effects of the increased retirement age.
If you believe that..(note I haven't said Bassa are playing fair) then thats up to you.
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Jack Dromey's role is interesting
With Tony Woodley licking his wounds after the Gate Gourmet dispute the TGWU has Dromey as its public face. I find it quite interesting that his wife Harriet Harman is about to run for the Labour Deputy leadership. I wonder if Dromey is trying to sublimally get the message through to the left wing Labour caucus that the family Dromey/Harman is on the workers side.
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Fred..
He didn't ALSO ask me....his question was thus...
Which to my small brain equates to " tell me in your own words what you feel the facts are"
I didn't answer relating to what the company are doing to me, as I am not CC, which is also why I have refrained from commenting about the status quo.
As for BASSA spin...try reading what I have stated in previous posts
As I've already stated, IMHO they are striking out of frustration, in simple terms.
So Fred if you want me to put on the record all the reasons and excuses, I'm sorry to disappoint, my opinion is that 1 or 2 points are valid.
As I've said previously, why has this come to a strike? I'm of the opinion, BASSA has the support of its members purely because they feel disaffected and marginalized.
Lastly the use of the word "far" is an exaggeration, the rest (at least in lay terms, which is the audience afterall) is pretty accurate.
Yes, but he also asked you to
Please explain to me in the briefest of factual terms what the status quo was, what the company are trying to do to you and then why you (not BASSA) feel it is wrong.
I didn't answer relating to what the company are doing to me, as I am not CC, which is also why I have refrained from commenting about the status quo.
As for BASSA spin...try reading what I have stated in previous posts
Then, pray tell us, what exactly are they are striking for? 'cos BA, the traveling public, fellow workers and the press think it's about the 12 items. You hint there may be a hidden political agenda here and that is the truth of it
So Fred if you want me to put on the record all the reasons and excuses, I'm sorry to disappoint, my opinion is that 1 or 2 points are valid.
As I've said previously, why has this come to a strike? I'm of the opinion, BASSA has the support of its members purely because they feel disaffected and marginalized.
The flight deck has a self-contained atmosphere with a far higher oxygen level