BA Cabin Crew Strike Threat
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Flying Fred, why should I not assume that in time the company will remove the boxes, destination payments and overtime like they've done at Gatwick?! You're right in that initially, these extra payments would remain. Over time, though, they'd undoubtedly be eaten away at by the company.
Let me ask you what a successful outcome of this strike might be? BA withdraw their proposal to remove boxes, destination payments and overtime. Well they have never proposed them, so strike over then. You are striking against something that BA has not even proposed????
p.s. the destination payments (which are paid to crew in order to get them to turn up for work to certain destinations!!) would not be needed if you went to hourly rate allowances.
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CFC where do I start...........this is the 21st century and not the dark ages that the CC unions live in. Come on lets look at what the CC get...more and more than most ? A lot of us have to work hard for our living and honesty for our families
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"lets look at what the cabin crew get....more than most" - Can you be more specific and give some facts for a change. Sounds like you get most of your info from the Daily Mail.
And as for the sarcastic comments re my absence for a short while - like you I have a family.......
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What about the management?
Well I have to say I am not happy about this result.
However I wish the cabin crew the very best.
I notice from the thread (skimmed through most of it I have to admit!) that no one has mentioned the fact that practically every group of staff in BA has had some form of industrial unrest within the last 12 - 18 months. That is a lot of different, hard working (the majority DO work hard!) sections of the airline deciding that the have had enough. Think about the wild cat check-in staff strike and the 'sympathy' ground staff strike for Gate Gourmet workers just to name two. All in my opinion, led by an antagonistic management that keep pushing and pushing. That same manageement that don't seem to reward hard work. All we ever hear is how hard we must work to keep the airline going etc.
We only ever get lip service thanks and yet our senior 'bods' get bonuses that I now feel grossly over pays them for their efforts. Not many have commented on that; yet on the other hand I see people stating how over-paid crew (cabin and pilots) are paid to do thier jobs..... why should we accept to be paid 'just the right amount'? Most other professionals can change jobs, get headhunted or even demand pay and condition increases! We essentially depend on our employer to be honourable, yes they must minimise costs but where do you draw the line?
Anyway, I personally think that the managers are just as responsible for causing this strike to be announed as the union.
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However I wish the cabin crew the very best.
I notice from the thread (skimmed through most of it I have to admit!) that no one has mentioned the fact that practically every group of staff in BA has had some form of industrial unrest within the last 12 - 18 months. That is a lot of different, hard working (the majority DO work hard!) sections of the airline deciding that the have had enough. Think about the wild cat check-in staff strike and the 'sympathy' ground staff strike for Gate Gourmet workers just to name two. All in my opinion, led by an antagonistic management that keep pushing and pushing. That same manageement that don't seem to reward hard work. All we ever hear is how hard we must work to keep the airline going etc.
We only ever get lip service thanks and yet our senior 'bods' get bonuses that I now feel grossly over pays them for their efforts. Not many have commented on that; yet on the other hand I see people stating how over-paid crew (cabin and pilots) are paid to do thier jobs..... why should we accept to be paid 'just the right amount'? Most other professionals can change jobs, get headhunted or even demand pay and condition increases! We essentially depend on our employer to be honourable, yes they must minimise costs but where do you draw the line?
Anyway, I personally think that the managers are just as responsible for causing this strike to be announed as the union.
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The Controller,
Have you hit a nerve?
Nope.
Personally I've practically stopped reading your posts. You illustrate the type of bitterness and jealously that is indicative of a person (sadly becoming more common in the UK) that envys others because of what they have rather than praising how they 'achieved'.
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Have you hit a nerve?
Nope.
Personally I've practically stopped reading your posts. You illustrate the type of bitterness and jealously that is indicative of a person (sadly becoming more common in the UK) that envys others because of what they have rather than praising how they 'achieved'.
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The strike will not happen, it'll be called off with less than a day to spare pending 'urgent negotiations'....bit like an Italian ATC strike.
You've got to understand how hard the CC have it, Box payments, destination payments, breakfast, lunch and dinner allowances and that's even before they've bowled up at Compass. So CC go sick rather than turn up and do a BOM, so how do they feel about the poor CC on stby - simply tucking their colleagues up.
You've got to understand how hard the CC have it, Box payments, destination payments, breakfast, lunch and dinner allowances and that's even before they've bowled up at Compass. So CC go sick rather than turn up and do a BOM, so how do they feel about the poor CC on stby - simply tucking their colleagues up.
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The strike will not happen, it'll be called off with less than a day to spare pending 'urgent negotiations'....bit like an Italian ATC strike.
You've got to understand how hard the CC have it, Box payments, destination payments, breakfast, lunch and dinner allowances and that's even before they've bowled up at Compass. So CC go sick rather than turn up and do a BOM, so how do they feel about the poor CC on stby - simply tucking their colleagues up.
You've got to understand how hard the CC have it, Box payments, destination payments, breakfast, lunch and dinner allowances and that's even before they've bowled up at Compass. So CC go sick rather than turn up and do a BOM, so how do they feel about the poor CC on stby - simply tucking their colleagues up.
What do you intend to achieve by your pathetic comments?
Assuming your are Flt Crew, this makes it very obvious to all readers just what CC have to put up with from some of our colleagues. Pls refer to earlier posts on this thread in which some Flt Crew just cannot understand how the bitterness exists between some CC and FC.
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Yes I am in BASSA - No I will not strike!
Sporran - you totally speak my language. Everything you've said totally sums up my views.
Flying Lawyer. No I will not strike. The more this ugly debate continues, the more I'm beginning to wonder wheather I'm in the right union for me. This is my own personal view.
If I felt that the 12 REASONS for the strike were strike worthy, then I would. But I personally do not. I feel these can all be sorted out through talks.
I am horrified to think that BASSA could even CONSIDER the kind of post 97 pay deal they have proposed. How incredibly ridicilous! Yes it needs addressing, but lets get in the real world about it!
Now, I'm going to put my heart right out there on my sleeve and admitt that I'm absolutely petrified of the thought of going to work during a strike. The intimidation I will probably be getting from crew makes me feel uncomfortable but like those who choose to stay at home, I choose not to.
Now let the slaughter begin .... Before you start, I'll just go get my cross and crown of thorns!!
Flying Lawyer. No I will not strike. The more this ugly debate continues, the more I'm beginning to wonder wheather I'm in the right union for me. This is my own personal view.
If I felt that the 12 REASONS for the strike were strike worthy, then I would. But I personally do not. I feel these can all be sorted out through talks.
I am horrified to think that BASSA could even CONSIDER the kind of post 97 pay deal they have proposed. How incredibly ridicilous! Yes it needs addressing, but lets get in the real world about it!
Now, I'm going to put my heart right out there on my sleeve and admitt that I'm absolutely petrified of the thought of going to work during a strike. The intimidation I will probably be getting from crew makes me feel uncomfortable but like those who choose to stay at home, I choose not to.
Now let the slaughter begin .... Before you start, I'll just go get my cross and crown of thorns!!
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Get Smart, I hear you loud and clear and I completely agree with you. I'm very cross with bassa and seriously considering changing unions, not that it'll help if we all lose our jobs...
Good luck to you my friend and I hope you don't get too much hassle. I'm turning up for work as well. Just remember this: "Stop-why did you do that?" if you get any problems...
Good luck to you my friend and I hope you don't get too much hassle. I'm turning up for work as well. Just remember this: "Stop-why did you do that?" if you get any problems...
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Thank goodness glamgirl
Glamgirl, I'm so grateful for your post. Thank you and good luck to you as well. Those of us who choose to go to work face a far more difficult choice than those who don't. I sincerely someone comes to their senses before it gets that far. A strike will achieve nothing. 
And re your point of loosing jobs. Yes, agree. I'm not prepared to risk it. WW will put out every dirty trick in the book. Whist it will be very unpleasant, one has to look at the big picture. We can be sacked. It is unfair dismissal, but if he decides to sack a days worth of striking crew, that's not really a problem. It'll only cost him about £1500 or more per crew via the tribunals. Nothing when they can all be replaced on the new contract. Or - maybe even invite the trained and uniformed LGW SF crew straight up and replace them at LGW on an even cheaper contract!! I think some crew aren't thinking this one through. Emotions are running high and they're all jumping on BASSA's exciting ride. Good luck folks, but hold on tight!! Hope I'm wrong, but have decided to play it safe this time round. It's all too uncertain.
And re your point of loosing jobs. Yes, agree. I'm not prepared to risk it. WW will put out every dirty trick in the book. Whist it will be very unpleasant, one has to look at the big picture. We can be sacked. It is unfair dismissal, but if he decides to sack a days worth of striking crew, that's not really a problem. It'll only cost him about £1500 or more per crew via the tribunals. Nothing when they can all be replaced on the new contract. Or - maybe even invite the trained and uniformed LGW SF crew straight up and replace them at LGW on an even cheaper contract!! I think some crew aren't thinking this one through. Emotions are running high and they're all jumping on BASSA's exciting ride. Good luck folks, but hold on tight!! Hope I'm wrong, but have decided to play it safe this time round. It's all too uncertain.
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As matter of interest what happens if on the strike day, your down route?
Do they have to foot their own HOTAC?
And what happens if they decide to launch with freight onboard. Thus leaving the CC behind. How do they get back?
Do they have to foot their own HOTAC?
And what happens if they decide to launch with freight onboard. Thus leaving the CC behind. How do they get back?
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Glamgirl/Getsmart, While not a member of your union/airline, i would urge you to think to the future before crossing a picket line. My airline had a strike in 85 and they 'scabs' are STILL given hassle over it. A solution is arrived at quicker if all members stay out. I have not taken the time to real ALL of the posts regarding your labour dispute but I can tell you that ALL of the employees that did not honour the picket line at my carrier say that they would never make the same decision if they could have seen the consequences.
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Flying Lawyer.
No I will not strike. The more this ugly debate continues, the more I'm beginning to wonder wheather I'm in the right union for me. This is my own personal view.
If I felt that the 12 REASONS for the strike were strike worthy, then I would. But I personally do not. I feel these can all be sorted out through talks.
I admire your integrity.
It's the one thing no-one can take from us.
We only lose it if we give it away.
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I hear you
Your right galleywrench. You have a point. My point is that I don't trust BA. I think WW has a plan. He's going to get dirty and at the end of the day, I'd rather have my job. I can't bear the thought of crossing the picket line, but apart from those who are in BASSA and will do so, there are crew in CC89 and those not in a union, who don't have a choice. Crew seem to think that 96% are going on strike. It's 96% of 80% of BASSA. It works out at around 65% of the crew workforce so many will have to go to work. It's a very bad situation to be in. Lets not forget, there are those BASSA strikers who are on leave, days off who fortunately won't have to even make the choice. How many BASSA's on the day, are really not going to work?
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As matter of interest what happens if on the strike day, your down route?
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Clamgirl/Getsmart I really don't envy your situation but I seem to remember a previous threatened strike where BA arranged off airport report facilities to help crew in your situation or you could park in the airport pax car parks and get a taxi in, they will refund by SECV at least they offered to last time.
Good luck and I hope you get some sleep over the next few days, I really think WW is going all the way on this.
Good luck and I hope you get some sleep over the next few days, I really think WW is going all the way on this.
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Thanks for support. You're right. It's awful. I am quite sure that I'm not alone in my opinion as there must be plenty of other crew out there feeling the same. Let's just hope that within the next 7 days, they'll sort it out.
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I'd just like to reitterate what I said earlier in the thread.
It's unlikely to affect LGW as much.
About 10% of crew there are in BASSA, rest are in Amicus or not unionised.
So BA wil get away with normal ops there with overtime etc etc.
It's unlikely to affect LGW as much.
About 10% of crew there are in BASSA, rest are in Amicus or not unionised.
So BA wil get away with normal ops there with overtime etc etc.