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Colonel Klink
Your quote:
“I joined eaesyJet 6 years ago with a big group of other pilots, all of us having significant experience in the RH seat flying the 767 for a SE Asian airline, and all of us passed our commands”
Just had a beer with an old mate who worked for RBA and it appears you forgot to mention that some of these guys left Royal Brunei because they failed the command assessment.
I’m sure you weren’t one of them though. After all, you've certainly made your "mark" since joining us.
P.S. Your PPRuNe Biography states "intense dislike of easyJet management". Possibly not the smartest comment given that we all know who you are
Your quote:
“I joined eaesyJet 6 years ago with a big group of other pilots, all of us having significant experience in the RH seat flying the 767 for a SE Asian airline, and all of us passed our commands”
Just had a beer with an old mate who worked for RBA and it appears you forgot to mention that some of these guys left Royal Brunei because they failed the command assessment.
I’m sure you weren’t one of them though. After all, you've certainly made your "mark" since joining us.
P.S. Your PPRuNe Biography states "intense dislike of easyJet management". Possibly not the smartest comment given that we all know who you are
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And whilst I’m at it, Colonel………
Given your statement on this thread –
“it is a great opportunity and I would thoroughly recommend giving it a go.
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maybe you would like to explain your previous comments on life at easyLand………
What gives either of you the right to tell me I should be satisfied while the company declares record profits, and only a few get to share what we have made. I do not work to make RW or JP wealthy, and neither do you!!!
I say Naff off to both of you (and would say worse if the forum allowed) Don't darken my doorstep again!!!!!!!!
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Mike Oscar,
The strength of feeling is almost universal in easyJet as to the revulsion of the management and their stinking pay deal.
posted 19th December 2002 06:28
Well, the same manangers "that must be good" are in fact showing just what a pack of @rseholes they really are!!
A4, I fear what you say is correct, as I have been saying for months now the mood in easyJet is downright ugly as a result of this bonus and people have been reading about these "fat-cat"bonuses for a while and are sick of them. They seem to happen everywhere. A strike is definitly on the cards
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What about the bit that says: everyone makes a difference" as though individual opinions are respected and they have time to listen to you personally??? They would sooner listen to Lord Haw Haw than a pilot over at easyLand
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HME, Just wait until the "unique, open culture" becomes part of DBA, you will soon learn what it's only taken a few weeks for the Go people to learn: it's all a load of cr@p!!!
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Mr Ree, If that is what it is like for you now,I have no doubt the sound of your whinging will be deafening after Summer! It's so refreshing, isn't it, those of you that have been here 5 minutes trying to tell those of us that have been here 6 years that we don't know what we are talking about!
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Nurjio, you are a little plonker!!! I am not TRYING to say anything, only commenting on the procedures at an airport I use frequently. I hardly think it's too hard, and before your nasty little mouth opens again to me, or my colleague KrissKross, you may be as well to remember our qualifications and experience probably far outweigh yours. Now get lost.
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Me thinks you are a little confused. Or maybe it's just too much of the Amber Nectar ? (Victoria Bitter in your part of the world)
P.S. I particularly liked the call for Strike Action. I'd have thought you'd learnt your lesson by now.
Given your statement on this thread –
“it is a great opportunity and I would thoroughly recommend giving it a go.
”maybe you would like to explain your previous comments on life at easyLand………
What gives either of you the right to tell me I should be satisfied while the company declares record profits, and only a few get to share what we have made. I do not work to make RW or JP wealthy, and neither do you!!!
I say Naff off to both of you (and would say worse if the forum allowed) Don't darken my doorstep again!!!!!!!!
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Mike Oscar,
The strength of feeling is almost universal in easyJet as to the revulsion of the management and their stinking pay deal.
posted 19th December 2002 06:28
Well, the same manangers "that must be good" are in fact showing just what a pack of @rseholes they really are!!
A4, I fear what you say is correct, as I have been saying for months now the mood in easyJet is downright ugly as a result of this bonus and people have been reading about these "fat-cat"bonuses for a while and are sick of them. They seem to happen everywhere. A strike is definitly on the cards
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What about the bit that says: everyone makes a difference" as though individual opinions are respected and they have time to listen to you personally??? They would sooner listen to Lord Haw Haw than a pilot over at easyLand
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HME, Just wait until the "unique, open culture" becomes part of DBA, you will soon learn what it's only taken a few weeks for the Go people to learn: it's all a load of cr@p!!!
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Mr Ree, If that is what it is like for you now,I have no doubt the sound of your whinging will be deafening after Summer! It's so refreshing, isn't it, those of you that have been here 5 minutes trying to tell those of us that have been here 6 years that we don't know what we are talking about!
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Nurjio, you are a little plonker!!! I am not TRYING to say anything, only commenting on the procedures at an airport I use frequently. I hardly think it's too hard, and before your nasty little mouth opens again to me, or my colleague KrissKross, you may be as well to remember our qualifications and experience probably far outweigh yours. Now get lost.
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Me thinks you are a little confused. Or maybe it's just too much of the Amber Nectar ? (Victoria Bitter in your part of the world)
P.S. I particularly liked the call for Strike Action. I'd have thought you'd learnt your lesson by now.
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A1 Cyclops - the tone of your post is unnecessarily offensive to just about everyone who has contributed here.
The 'idiot' you referred to who said 'Let's Roll' was Lisa Beamer's husband on the aircraft that was hi-jacked on 9/11 and crashed into a field in Pensylvania instead of into Washington itself. The gentleman concerned led a passenger revolt which attempted to storm the cockpit and regain control of the hijacked aircraft. On a day of total tragedy for aviation, and indeed the world as a whole, he was a beacon of light to those who believe that ordinary people can make a difference in the fight against terrorism. Your foolish, ignorant and ill-conceived comments do you no favours whatsoever. They do however enable us all to apply the necessary weight, or lack of it, to your other expressed opinions.
The 'idiot' you referred to who said 'Let's Roll' was Lisa Beamer's husband on the aircraft that was hi-jacked on 9/11 and crashed into a field in Pensylvania instead of into Washington itself. The gentleman concerned led a passenger revolt which attempted to storm the cockpit and regain control of the hijacked aircraft. On a day of total tragedy for aviation, and indeed the world as a whole, he was a beacon of light to those who believe that ordinary people can make a difference in the fight against terrorism. Your foolish, ignorant and ill-conceived comments do you no favours whatsoever. They do however enable us all to apply the necessary weight, or lack of it, to your other expressed opinions.
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Agreed! In todats cynical society, there are few people one can have any real respect for. Mr "LET'S ROLL" is a real hero and has the respect he deserves, whatever happened to that 757.
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Well, I ususally let people meet me before they decide whether I'm an idiot or not, but so far the only person that's EVER called me that is A1 Cyclops. (At least, to my face!!) Well, he practically offended everyone who has posted on this forum, so I really don't feel too bad about it. But, if he really has been here 6 years, then I would know him and I find him and his attitude somewhat concerning. After all, he conveniently forgot the thousands that I saved each pilot when I did the tax deal almost three years ago. My dislike of the management is well known, as indeed even he says, but notwithstanding that I am off my bloody arse to help change things as a member of the CC, and I continue to give much of my free time to benefit the pilots of this airline because I can't stand those who sit and whinge about the state of play in our little lot, but never DO anything. A1 clearly fits into this mould. I spent two years on the tax deal, and what I got from the company paid less than half my expenses. But, career wise it has been a good move, which is what I said on my first post. As to whether others try it or not, well, you can always just come and log the hours, then p!ss off when it suits you!!!
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Norman,
Of course I didn’t mean the guy on the 757. What sort of weirdo would think I did?. The fact is I mixed up my quotes. I’m too embarrassed to tell you what I meant to say, so I’ve edited the text.
Still waiting for the Colonels reply to my original post. (Blowing your own trumpet about tax deals doesn’t count).
P.S. "so far the only person that's EVER called me stupid is A1 Cyclops". Umm - check the post above yours
Of course I didn’t mean the guy on the 757. What sort of weirdo would think I did?. The fact is I mixed up my quotes. I’m too embarrassed to tell you what I meant to say, so I’ve edited the text.
Still waiting for the Colonels reply to my original post. (Blowing your own trumpet about tax deals doesn’t count).
P.S. "so far the only person that's EVER called me stupid is A1 Cyclops". Umm - check the post above yours
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Getting back to the original thread, having just read through it all, I would just like to correct "BUFFET" on his observations of the Mearsk guys and BABY.
I have already told several BABY FOs, the majority of the Maersk 737 guys were well experienced, however, there were a few low hour captains who had been turned down by EJ for DEC as they didnt have sufficient command time, and there were about 5 DEC that had only ever been FOs on the 737 and had a command on the CRJ only. Of those five, some had only had CRJ command time of about 500hrs.
Thats what happens when companies are desperate to get type rated guys.
There are senior FOs at baby (ex BMI) who have far more FO hours on the 737 than the Maersk guys and they have been completely forgotten and walked all over.
I have already told several BABY FOs, the majority of the Maersk 737 guys were well experienced, however, there were a few low hour captains who had been turned down by EJ for DEC as they didnt have sufficient command time, and there were about 5 DEC that had only ever been FOs on the 737 and had a command on the CRJ only. Of those five, some had only had CRJ command time of about 500hrs.
Thats what happens when companies are desperate to get type rated guys.
There are senior FOs at baby (ex BMI) who have far more FO hours on the 737 than the Maersk guys and they have been completely forgotten and walked all over.
Easy have no intention of giving anybody "easy" commands - their selection process is as rigorous and demanding as any in the industry - new joiners will go through all the hoops that existing f/o's go through.
They recently advertised for Trainers and had zero response - my understanding is that response to the current advert has been "disappointing" - perhaps an indication that prospective pilots are concerned about the ongoing lifestyle/rostering issues (which the Company are apparently about to address).
At the present time easyJet are short of 44 Captains throughout the network, and are rumoured to be looking for a new Chief Pilot.
Interesting times for sure!
They recently advertised for Trainers and had zero response - my understanding is that response to the current advert has been "disappointing" - perhaps an indication that prospective pilots are concerned about the ongoing lifestyle/rostering issues (which the Company are apparently about to address).
At the present time easyJet are short of 44 Captains throughout the network, and are rumoured to be looking for a new Chief Pilot.
Interesting times for sure!
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Anyone know the financial deal for direct entry Captains ?
A lot of DEP FO's on the airbus with BA in their mide 30's with 6000+ hours whom feel they are destined to be career FO's within BA; for whom LHR mainline shorthual commands at current seniority figures and retirements will put many at 15+ years to a command will be very tempted ..... buts its the lifestyle; security and pension issues that will always prevail .......
To jump or not ?
A lot of DEP FO's on the airbus with BA in their mide 30's with 6000+ hours whom feel they are destined to be career FO's within BA; for whom LHR mainline shorthual commands at current seniority figures and retirements will put many at 15+ years to a command will be very tempted ..... buts its the lifestyle; security and pension issues that will always prevail .......
To jump or not ?
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noblues:
http://www.easyjet.com/en/jobs/pilot...dbenefits.html
good luck if you decide to leap
ps: edited to note that in my browser, the link I posted above turns orange when you hover the mouse pointer over it.
spooky eh?
http://www.easyjet.com/en/jobs/pilot...dbenefits.html
good luck if you decide to leap
ps: edited to note that in my browser, the link I posted above turns orange when you hover the mouse pointer over it.
spooky eh?
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Just before you consider leaping into the orange pond, consider the following:
1.There are a lot of individuals that have joined eJ with the promise that they will get the base of their choice, just to be phoned 2 days before joining to be told that they are in fact being ‘temporary placed’ at a short fall base. (The contract wording allows this). Some have taken up to a year to get what they wanted (and that was with the threat of resignation and bond repayment). You may request Gatwick, but there are 120 buses arriving and there are two new bus bases being announced. Choose Gatwick, get Edinburgh.
2. The rosters have been very unstable for years. They have a nasty habit of trying to reinvent the wheel, with dire consequences. I dug out a memo from four years ago (sad huh?) and it read virtually the same as the latest edict from the new ‘rostering guru’. It told us of ‘challenging times’ and ‘great opportunities’, but in short, he’ll ‘try his best’ to improve lifestyle! It’s the nature of the beast, while they continue to expand, rosters will be a mess.. And eJ have no plans of slowing down.
3. Fatigue is running at the worst eJ has ever seen, due to high work loads and appalling rostering (and subsequent butchering of the aforementioned). I have never seen Luton base so bad, just to be told that Stansted had a sickness rate of 31% last fortnight. This is combined with very low crew morale. There is no light at the end of the tunnel and that is why crews are leaving, often to go to lower paid jobs, on the promise of improved lifestyle.
4. Consider what you will give up: Pension. EJ pays 7% of your basic, you top up the rest. There’s a lot of ill feeling towards the IFA who runs the pension fund, who is always in the south of Spain playing golf, while pensions are poorly invested. Health Cover. There is none. Union Rep. The eJ CC do their best to negotiate, but with dwindling union members, they are often helpless to the management decisions. Seniority. There is none. Base transfers, holiday selection, command upgrades: it’s all random and often generates ill feeling.
5. Join eJ as a DEC at Gatwick and you will be treading on a lot of peoples’ toes. I have been told that all the 737 Captains have had their bus courses postponed, due to the shortage of Cpts over the winter period. Their courses are being filled by DECs. The management are saving money and the BALPA CC have no power. EJ still has a very ‘small airline mentality’. There is a lot of cattiness. You cross the wrong person and life can be lonely.
In short, consider what you will be giving up and don‘t be inpatient and shortsighted. I have painted a gloomy, but honest picture of easyJet. It may be expanding, but whose to say we won’t go bust? Our shares were 575p two years ago and they’ve hovered close to the floatation price for the last 10 months.
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1.There are a lot of individuals that have joined eJ with the promise that they will get the base of their choice, just to be phoned 2 days before joining to be told that they are in fact being ‘temporary placed’ at a short fall base. (The contract wording allows this). Some have taken up to a year to get what they wanted (and that was with the threat of resignation and bond repayment). You may request Gatwick, but there are 120 buses arriving and there are two new bus bases being announced. Choose Gatwick, get Edinburgh.
2. The rosters have been very unstable for years. They have a nasty habit of trying to reinvent the wheel, with dire consequences. I dug out a memo from four years ago (sad huh?) and it read virtually the same as the latest edict from the new ‘rostering guru’. It told us of ‘challenging times’ and ‘great opportunities’, but in short, he’ll ‘try his best’ to improve lifestyle! It’s the nature of the beast, while they continue to expand, rosters will be a mess.. And eJ have no plans of slowing down.
3. Fatigue is running at the worst eJ has ever seen, due to high work loads and appalling rostering (and subsequent butchering of the aforementioned). I have never seen Luton base so bad, just to be told that Stansted had a sickness rate of 31% last fortnight. This is combined with very low crew morale. There is no light at the end of the tunnel and that is why crews are leaving, often to go to lower paid jobs, on the promise of improved lifestyle.
4. Consider what you will give up: Pension. EJ pays 7% of your basic, you top up the rest. There’s a lot of ill feeling towards the IFA who runs the pension fund, who is always in the south of Spain playing golf, while pensions are poorly invested. Health Cover. There is none. Union Rep. The eJ CC do their best to negotiate, but with dwindling union members, they are often helpless to the management decisions. Seniority. There is none. Base transfers, holiday selection, command upgrades: it’s all random and often generates ill feeling.
5. Join eJ as a DEC at Gatwick and you will be treading on a lot of peoples’ toes. I have been told that all the 737 Captains have had their bus courses postponed, due to the shortage of Cpts over the winter period. Their courses are being filled by DECs. The management are saving money and the BALPA CC have no power. EJ still has a very ‘small airline mentality’. There is a lot of cattiness. You cross the wrong person and life can be lonely.
In short, consider what you will be giving up and don‘t be inpatient and shortsighted. I have painted a gloomy, but honest picture of easyJet. It may be expanding, but whose to say we won’t go bust? Our shares were 575p two years ago and they’ve hovered close to the floatation price for the last 10 months.
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Hey nofrills, do we work for the same company. Whilst i agree with a small amount of what you say the rest i think is cr@p. You say that ALL the captains have had their bus course delayed, what a load of nonsense. My course is in december and has always been the case, there are some that have had their course delayed by a couple of months , hey big deal an extra 8 weeks!
Unfortunately many people want quick commands lots of promotions lots of money, lots of time off and no roster changes. Well we cant have everything, lets be realistic here, huge expansion inevitabley means some degree of roster instability. I have worked for a couple of major airlines before ej (where i've been for 2 years as a captain) and believe me ej are no worse!
You also say that loads of people are leaving, this simply isnt true, yes a few people are leaving for pastures less orange, must be the luton air!
People thinking about jumping ship, as a skipper annual salary is approx 75 - 80 K per year inclusive you will work 6 on 3 off although this will HOPEFULLY go to 5 on 3 off. Some days are 4 sectors and some are 2, i get a mixture. Pension isnt good at 7%, no private health care. In the last 2 years i have been granted leave for all my bids including xmas and new year. I will reiterate that i have worked for 2 major airlines before ej and i think they are NO different, both of my previous companies had probs and the Ubiquitous whingers.
As with upgrades from fo to capt, well the procedure is, once you have the required hours you fill in a form. You have an interview with the base capt and provided you have 2 good opc lpc checks then you get put forward for an assessment. A few outspoken anti ej guys may have been bypassed, not sure, but even so we are all grown ups and should know how to play the game of keeping ones head down.
No frills
You also mention the share price 2 years ago, this was before ej bought go so you are comparing 2 entirely different share prices.
Also are you trying to scare off and intimidate people with your point 5, will you be making a majic potion if people TREAD on TOES ?
Why should you cross people, is it not possible to go to work, have a laugh, come home, take the money with a smile and keep your head down?
Maybe im being naive, only been flying commercially for 15 years.
Regards MF
Unfortunately many people want quick commands lots of promotions lots of money, lots of time off and no roster changes. Well we cant have everything, lets be realistic here, huge expansion inevitabley means some degree of roster instability. I have worked for a couple of major airlines before ej (where i've been for 2 years as a captain) and believe me ej are no worse!
You also say that loads of people are leaving, this simply isnt true, yes a few people are leaving for pastures less orange, must be the luton air!
People thinking about jumping ship, as a skipper annual salary is approx 75 - 80 K per year inclusive you will work 6 on 3 off although this will HOPEFULLY go to 5 on 3 off. Some days are 4 sectors and some are 2, i get a mixture. Pension isnt good at 7%, no private health care. In the last 2 years i have been granted leave for all my bids including xmas and new year. I will reiterate that i have worked for 2 major airlines before ej and i think they are NO different, both of my previous companies had probs and the Ubiquitous whingers.
As with upgrades from fo to capt, well the procedure is, once you have the required hours you fill in a form. You have an interview with the base capt and provided you have 2 good opc lpc checks then you get put forward for an assessment. A few outspoken anti ej guys may have been bypassed, not sure, but even so we are all grown ups and should know how to play the game of keeping ones head down.
No frills
You also mention the share price 2 years ago, this was before ej bought go so you are comparing 2 entirely different share prices.
Also are you trying to scare off and intimidate people with your point 5, will you be making a majic potion if people TREAD on TOES ?
Why should you cross people, is it not possible to go to work, have a laugh, come home, take the money with a smile and keep your head down?
Maybe im being naive, only been flying commercially for 15 years.
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nofrills,
The only reason LGW CP's are being delayed is to ensure the Boeing programme remains as stable as possible during the bus introduction. To imply that it is a cynical ploy by mgmt to save money is quite frankly rubbish!
Everyone thinks the mgmt are out to make lives a misery, which simply isn’t the case ..., things are changing quickly and growing pains are inevitable. You will never be able to keep everyone happy all the time but trust me the mgmt know of the problems and are working hard to solve them.
The only reason LGW CP's are being delayed is to ensure the Boeing programme remains as stable as possible during the bus introduction. To imply that it is a cynical ploy by mgmt to save money is quite frankly rubbish!
Everyone thinks the mgmt are out to make lives a misery, which simply isn’t the case ..., things are changing quickly and growing pains are inevitable. You will never be able to keep everyone happy all the time but trust me the mgmt know of the problems and are working hard to solve them.
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Nofrills & Man Flex 32.5 - thanks for the two views from within ej, its always the same their will always be some who see the worse and others who see the good (is a glass half full or half empty !).
I must agree with nofrills - it does seem ej are expanding too rapidly with funds from floatation, although load factors are good yields are going south and shareholders confidence is reflected in the share price.
I do fear ej could be another Air Europe or Dan Air, both expanded heavily with new a/c and over did it ..... plus ej is the first low cost to go down the mixed fleet road - I think this is very dodgy if costs and margins are tight, the inflexibility of a mixed fleet I can't see working properly for ej.
Re. Salary's - I have worked for another 'low cost' for 6 years before joining BA as a DEP on the airbus over 3 years ago.
My basic is £46K as an FO and I net (take home) around £1000 in allowances per month with about 12-14 days off per month.
My basic goes up by nearly 2K per year ... as a capt. at Gatwick with BA I would be on around the high £60K mark plus allowances ..... even comparing my BA basic to ej's Capt's salary its not worth jumping ship into a world of roster instabilty and chaos (been there done that !).
Roster stability is worth so much within BA and I gave up a command to come here, despite the pain of sitting in the RH seat for years to come and the lure of a command with ej it will take a lot to intice me back to an instable roster, plus at BA I retire at 55 with a good final salary pension and have health care + LOL and abaove all BALAP rule !
I must agree with nofrills - it does seem ej are expanding too rapidly with funds from floatation, although load factors are good yields are going south and shareholders confidence is reflected in the share price.
I do fear ej could be another Air Europe or Dan Air, both expanded heavily with new a/c and over did it ..... plus ej is the first low cost to go down the mixed fleet road - I think this is very dodgy if costs and margins are tight, the inflexibility of a mixed fleet I can't see working properly for ej.
Re. Salary's - I have worked for another 'low cost' for 6 years before joining BA as a DEP on the airbus over 3 years ago.
My basic is £46K as an FO and I net (take home) around £1000 in allowances per month with about 12-14 days off per month.
My basic goes up by nearly 2K per year ... as a capt. at Gatwick with BA I would be on around the high £60K mark plus allowances ..... even comparing my BA basic to ej's Capt's salary its not worth jumping ship into a world of roster instabilty and chaos (been there done that !).
Roster stability is worth so much within BA and I gave up a command to come here, despite the pain of sitting in the RH seat for years to come and the lure of a command with ej it will take a lot to intice me back to an instable roster, plus at BA I retire at 55 with a good final salary pension and have health care + LOL and abaove all BALAP rule !
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Having spent most of my career outside of the uk fir and airline ops, and going by my experience of both in the last 4 years, it is hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff on any subject because the majority, or is it noisy minority of uk (brit) pilots are whinging gits.
The biggest irony of all is that the self abusers who have worked the hardest to join this special proffession seem to moan the hardest when they are asked to work and ,having struggled to free the bonds of mediocraty, seem to want to self distruct and turn a job i am proud to do into the terms and conditions of a bank clerk.
The term professional means more than strutting around with four bars, it infers that you are not bound by the rigid work practices of the slaving masses. ie get on with it and be thankful you have the health and good fortune to do what you do.
Dont turn it into an office in the air.
if you dont want to work your ass of dont go to easyjet.
get into a major or f@@k back from whence you came.
I can read a contract and write my name. end of story.
bring on the abuse.
The biggest irony of all is that the self abusers who have worked the hardest to join this special proffession seem to moan the hardest when they are asked to work and ,having struggled to free the bonds of mediocraty, seem to want to self distruct and turn a job i am proud to do into the terms and conditions of a bank clerk.
The term professional means more than strutting around with four bars, it infers that you are not bound by the rigid work practices of the slaving masses. ie get on with it and be thankful you have the health and good fortune to do what you do.
Dont turn it into an office in the air.
if you dont want to work your ass of dont go to easyjet.
get into a major or f@@k back from whence you came.
I can read a contract and write my name. end of story.
bring on the abuse.
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By putting DEC on the bus and not putting them on the 737, just to retrain them a year later on the bus is ‘cost saving ‘.
Max
I have given a broad brush feel of this airline and not an individual view, such as yours’. I have checked my facts and stick by them. To merely refute one or two points of my earlier posting means you agree with most of it. A block of long serving Gatwick Capts have had their bus courses pushed out by several months, but you’re all right Jack. As for the comment about individuals being sidestepped for promotion because they spoke out against the company and ‘playing the game‘: I thought this was a world of free speech and no matter what your status you could have your say. Obviously you promote the idea of keeping FO’s mouths shut, no matter what their opinion. You must be a joy to fly with.
I have been flying for 29 years, thanks Max…. is this a competition? ‘Keep your head down’ as you say, or should that read ‘Keep your head in the sand’?
NF
p.s. Enjoy taking all your winter leave before your Airbus course. All three weeks before Dec course date? You should be away now instead of glued to the computer.
By putting DEC on the bus and not putting them on the 737, just to retrain them a year later on the bus is ‘cost saving ‘.
Max
I have given a broad brush feel of this airline and not an individual view, such as yours’. I have checked my facts and stick by them. To merely refute one or two points of my earlier posting means you agree with most of it. A block of long serving Gatwick Capts have had their bus courses pushed out by several months, but you’re all right Jack. As for the comment about individuals being sidestepped for promotion because they spoke out against the company and ‘playing the game‘: I thought this was a world of free speech and no matter what your status you could have your say. Obviously you promote the idea of keeping FO’s mouths shut, no matter what their opinion. You must be a joy to fly with.
I have been flying for 29 years, thanks Max…. is this a competition? ‘Keep your head down’ as you say, or should that read ‘Keep your head in the sand’?
NF
p.s. Enjoy taking all your winter leave before your Airbus course. All three weeks before Dec course date? You should be away now instead of glued to the computer.