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Old 31st Oct 2014, 21:06
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It has been stated that 'those in the know' are unlikely to be posting on this thread.


The vitriol contained in some of the responses to comments questioning if things are going smoothly are suggestive of, at the very least, an emotional attachment to the project and, more likely, a vested interest in it.


All of which would imply that 'those in the know' are indeed posting here and very actively too.
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Old 31st Oct 2014, 23:36
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Vitriol? That's kinda like .. em .. sumpor, so that can't be right.
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Old 1st Nov 2014, 09:12
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Crab; I'm so glad I don't have to work with you. You must be an absolute misery to work with.
You couldn't be further from the truth, You would be hard pushed to find a more knowledgeable and professional aviator, who has been responsible for developing many of those who are in fact going to work with Bristow and wouldn't be where they are without his help. It is in fact your loss, and looking at your posts, you could do with some of his humour
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Old 1st Nov 2014, 15:57
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OMG - this is going to cost me a fortune
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Old 1st Nov 2014, 16:45
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Where's my cheque?

And he made his fair share of tea. (for a pilot)
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 21:15
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Devil

Always a happy crew room with JEvs about I'm being told.....
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 21:40
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Which one? There have been two JEv's in the SAR Force; one on 22, one on 202, both Sqn QHIs. Oh never mind, they were both such good eggs I'd be happy for either of them to father my children! Good luck to them both.
 
Old 4th Nov 2014, 05:50
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The 22 Sqn one - not the first time I've been outed on PPRuNe SS
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Old 4th Nov 2014, 09:48
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I seem to remember the 202 Sqn one was much better looking

.......but weren't we all in those days
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 18:49
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A New Law

Godwin's Law states' "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1".


Similarly, I propose a law for PPRuNe threads along the lines of:


As a PPRuNe thread grows longer, and a commenter feels they are starting to lose the argument, the probability of revealing the name of their antagonist approaches 1.


Given that his anonymity has been lifted a number of times by those unable to counter his arguments successfully I propose the above be known as 'Crab's Law'.


Any seconders?
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 19:34
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Re NVG and the length of time it might take to train crews.. As an ex military NVG instructor who helped convert a civilian SAR outfit to use them, it seems to me that some are forgetting that civilian SAR ops don't need to be covert.

What requirement is there for winching under NVG? Surely, there isn't one. Use the gogs for nav assist to fly to the scene but go white light once there. Make the place like daylight and look out using the naked eye. It makes life much more simple, rather than practice bleeding!
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 19:46
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A new law

Seconded.
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 19:49
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What requirement is there for winching under NVG? Surely, there isn't one. Use the gogs for nav assist to fly to the scene but go white light once there. Make the place like daylight and look out using the naked eye. It makes life much more simple, rather than practice bleeding!
That's the way it is done in the Mil (SAR), getting there is sometimes the tricky bit.
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Old 5th Nov 2014, 20:43
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Two good posts in quick succession, well done Mr Bloom.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 16:38
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Shy, the RAF SAR Force is well versed in mixing white light and NVG and you are right, winching on purely NVG references is less than ideal since the relatively poor visual acuity (20/35 at best) on goggles means that very accurate positioning is difficult so white light references are preferable.

The problem is when to transfer from NVG to white light and that depends greatly on the conditions at the time - light levels, cloud, rain etc - we teach pilots to approach the scene on goggles and switch on hover/flood/steerable spot lights to see how much 'blowback' (like using full beam in fog) they get.

Sometimes you can get a good white light picture early and use that to establish the hover for the recce, sometimes you end up completing the recce on goggles and only switch to white light fully just before winching - it depends on the situation and available references.

This where being able to open the cockpit sliding door (a la Wessex and Sea King) really helps - shame that isn't an option with S92 or AW 189!

Over the water for a very small vessel or a person, an NVG hover is often best (if HT/AHT isn't workable) as it often gives you a decent visual horizon to work from - again it depends on the night and the wind (light winds leave you in a recirculating ball of spray which is horribly disorientating on NVG).

Because of the variability of the conditions, a lot of training is required, in different conditions, to make sure the crews can deal with whatever they are faced with. A short 'here are NVGs chaps, it's just more hovering' course might look OK on paper but really won't be adequate unless you are just ticking boxes.

Add in the fact that many flights have to deal with everything from flat calm overwater to shitty conditions in blowing snow in the hills then you can see that a proper NVG training package will be required.

Hopefully the goggles on the new SAR service will be at least as good as the NG700s currently used by the SAR Force.

Crab's Law - like it. It usually starts with name calling and personal insults before the 'outing' but I have pretty thick skin.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 17:02
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Thanks you Crab.

If you hadn't turned up then I was expecting these issues to run to ten pages.
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Old 6th Nov 2014, 19:03
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What, instead of the 61 we are on now
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 12:06
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Originally Posted by Crab
We teach...
They teach...

End of an era and very sorry to see you go.
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 11:54
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Some Dutch spotters claim they have seen an AW139 in HM Coastguard colours at AW's Verigiate plant - possibly one of the backup aircraft?

AW139 I-EASS (71) HM Coast Guard full c/s
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Old 13th Nov 2014, 14:42
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Such a version of Plan B had been suggested but not corroborated.

How many side windows did the '139' have?
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