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Old 19th Nov 2014, 14:09
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 14:14
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HMCG is the new owner of all UK SAR helicopters with Bristow being the contracted operator on their behalf. The scheme you see on the AW189 above will be standard (as is already the case at Stornoway, Sumburgh, Lee and Portland) on the AW189 and S92 aircraft across all 10 UK SAR bases. Any logic to do with over water or land operations is not applicable.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 14:55
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Originally Posted by britinusa View Post
I wasn't asking about colour, and the Coastguard is an organisation which does what it says on the box. Guards the coast, are they going to still hold the title of coastguard helicopters even though less than half of all rescues will be over sea!

I think you are getting the picture. I do not find it to be a pretty picture. Some assure me that it's OK because currently the old sailor's home is run by a carrier guy. I shall need some convincing.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 15:50
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Thanks jimf671, I was just curious.

Does that mean the Coastguard will be co-coordinating the helicopters instead of the ARCC?
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 16:57
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No, all SAR helo call outs remain with the ARCC as is the case today.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 17:03
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Originally Posted by britinusa View Post
Thanks jimf671, I was just curious.

Does that mean the Coastguard will be co-coordinating the helicopters instead of the ARCC?
NO.

ARCC maintain their current role.

What the future physical and organisational location of the ARCC will be is another question. Since it is currently in the hands of those who understand aeronautics, rescue and control, and is located in a community where the issues are widely understood, I am not a fan of change. If we were changing to the Norwegian JRCC model then change might be worthwhile but I don't think that's on the table or even within the intellectual range of those influencing this.

The Coastguard control the brand and are the customer. They are currently controlling information about the implementation of the new service. The level of control tends to be a matter for concern for SAR partner agencies who require reassurance about capability and the manner of collaborative working.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 17:18
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And, worryingly, these are the same guys who think less CG stations with a big centralised blob of a comms centre is the way forward - that didn't work very well for the Fire Service did it?
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 18:25
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In response to the above the ARCC will continue to serve its purpose with the RAF, however the plans are for the MCA, specifically HM Coastguard, to take over this function for civil search and rescue. The RAF will continue to coordinate the response into military search and rescue.

Therefor, the MCA will be responsible for tasking their own helicopters.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 18:38
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They have always been able to task their own helicopters locally but nationally it has been co-ordinated by the ARCCK - having one do civil and the other military is a complete nonsense.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 18:54
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Cost effectiveness?

The RAF will continue to coordinate the response into military search and rescue.
Roughly how many military search and rescue incidents occur each year? Can't be many, is it really a cost-effective proposal to retain all of the facilities and personnel of the ARCC at Kinloss if that is the case?
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 18:58
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They have always been able to task their own helicopters locally but nationally it has been co-ordinated by the ARCCK - having one do civil and the other military is a complete nonsense.
That WAS the case however the S92's under Bristow in the North of Scotland take their tastings from the ARCC. (Coastguard request scramble of a/c from ARCC)

Likewise with the CHC fir on the south coast, they take their taskings from ARCC now.

Ops normals are conducted through the ARCC on HF or Airwaves.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 20:20
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The CG assets were (for about the last 10 years) supposed to be tasked through the ARCCK but could self task within 30 nm of their CG MRCC and then advise the ARCCK.

The same happens with many mil units, the local CG give you a heads-up and then phone the ARCCK to get them to officially task you.

As Leopold says, there are so few military SAR jobs nowadays, it makes no sense to have separate tasking authorities.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 20:35
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The CG assets were (for about the last 10 years) supposed to be tasked through the ARCCK but could self task within 30 nm of their CG MRCC and then advise the ARCCK.
Correct, but this is no longer the case. This stopped from a about the time that Bristows took over the S92's at Sumburgh and Stornoway.

They will only accept a tasking from ARCC. The scramble lines that the CG used to use stopped and was taken over by the ARCC.
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Old 19th Nov 2014, 22:17
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My recollection, having been at ARCC on that day, is that CG independent tasking of their SAR aircraft, and Nimrod ops, ended on the same day. 31st March 2010.
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Old 20th Nov 2014, 09:00
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189 Delay

A new type late into service, what a surprise.
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 09:39
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Does anyone know when the CHC machines wrap up their operations?
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 12:11
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2 x Bristow AW189 to take over at Lee 1st April 2017.

Portland end service 30th June 2017.
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 15:57
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Strange how TUPE seems to apply to those guys but not the military................
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 16:50
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ARCC

Back to the point, can someone confirm, or not, that ARCC will task and coordinate the new service?
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