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Old 21st Nov 2014, 17:38
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Initially the ARCC(K) will continue to task the assets as they have the infrastructure and expertise so to do. Eventually the aspiration is for this function to move down to the south of England and be assimilated into/assumed by the MCA. The plan is on hold at present as there is no money left.

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Old 21st Nov 2014, 18:10
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Crab, you makes your choices .....
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 20:35
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Strange how TUPE seems to apply to those guys but not the military................
The statement explains it all nicely.
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 20:53
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So where are the AW139s likely to go if not Lee or Portland ?
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 21:02
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Bristow details AW189 contingency for UK SAR contract - 11/20/2014 - Flight Global
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Old 21st Nov 2014, 23:34
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According to figures released by the Ministry of Defence under a freedom of information request, around 20 RAF pilots and 30 rear crew have been allowed to move across to Bristow under a process referred to as managed transition. Approximately five Royal Navy pilots and 10 rear crew are also covered by the same process.
Making the assumption that each of the ten bases will have in the region of ten pilots and ten rear crew plus I understand there will be a few floating trainers etc then for the military to be only providing approx 25% of the final pilot numbers seems a bit thin. Rear crew numbers seem more appropriate. Or is it that the 25 does not include the mil pilots who appreciated a managed transition was never going to put their interests first so took the initiative to jump a bit early and temporarily into oil and gas cockpits to gain some type experience before being moved back into SAR seats?
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Old 22nd Nov 2014, 12:24
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There appears to be a substantial body of PVR and other ex-mil in the recent intakes. Add to that the traditional obfuscation of FOI outputs which means that the most likely numbers for Managed Transition are 70 to 80. Roughly 70% MT are probably RAF, so it appears that quality and quantity have gone some way to overcoming decades-old prejudices at HMS Bristow.
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Old 22nd Nov 2014, 15:32
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But with the closure of Manston in May this year and the subsequent sale of the site for redevelopment, Bristow has been searching for a suitable alternative. It says “it will execute a contingency plan” to ensure SAR coverage in the region and will make an announcement “ in due course”.
Just hang on while we work out what that contingency is. I do love a bit of management speak. We are a reactionary industry so trying to plan something in advance maybe a step too far!
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Old 22nd Nov 2014, 15:47
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I think they will lift the Lydd on the contingency plan soon.


(See what I did there)
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Old 22nd Nov 2014, 22:37
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Thumbs down

So after years of Lee on Solent and Portland wrestling over the same bit of English Channel, we're now going to have Lee on Solent and Lydd wrestling over the same bit of English Channel. Meanwhile, if Humberside go u/s virtually the entire North Sea is without a SAR aircraft. Whose f^#king idea was this?
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Old 22nd Nov 2014, 22:48
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Clacton Airfield would be a good solution.
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Old 22nd Nov 2014, 23:01
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I thought the contract mandated something 'in the vicinity of Wattisham Airfield'. How the hell does Lydd meet that specification?
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 08:37
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Maybe they used Ryanair's criteria where 'in the vicinity of' allowed great artistic interpretation
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 19:18
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Apologies for the foray into this thread, but it seems the most appropriate place to ask.

Does anyone know how the new SAR fleet will operate in to airfields such as Caernarfon which have no instrument approach?
I've heard mention that GPS let downs will be used - however CAA rules dictate that this has to be overseen by ATC or AFISO (Caernarfon is Air/Ground), and in any case, in the case of Caernarfon there are two pretty big wind turbines on the airfield.

Anyone know ?
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 20:16
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Over to you radar

Does anyone know how the new SAR fleet will operate in to airfields such as Caernarfon which have no instrument approach?
Easy, internal radar letdown to the coast followed by a short hover taxi over the beach
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 20:56
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Sure, I don't doubt the aircraft are capable; it's more the level of ATS being offered that I was wondering about.
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 22:17
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Does it make a difference what they can offer? If the a/c does a poor vis approach/ let down then provided its done properly you don't need ats to give a service.
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Old 24th Nov 2014, 09:39
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Looking at Caernarfon's location, a prevailing westerly wind will create difficulties for an aircraft that only has a 120 degree radar and is trying to let down to the coast in poor visibility. The S92 can really bite when transitioning down with a sizeable crosswind component.
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Old 24th Nov 2014, 10:08
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will create difficulties for an aircraft that only has a 120 degree radar

Oh no............ Not the radar debate again.
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Old 24th Nov 2014, 13:47
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Squadgy:
If they are coming back as a NON SAR asset then standard GA CAA rules exist.
Thus:
Outcas ClassG: all they have to do is call the ATS and get permission to enter thir ATZ. If no radio manned then simply avoid colliding with any other traffic. For ClassG <3000' this means fly at a speed to avoid crashing with the ground and or other a/c.
IF the wx is particularly pants then divert to Valley with a full ILS.
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