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Bell 206 time in Michigan, USA
You might have seen a post in the last month about affordable B206 time in Michigan. I got to be the first one to take advantage of the offer - I'm posting a brief synopsis because it is indeed worthwhile!
I just finished a day of flying in a nicely turned-out Bell 206 (and my first turbine time). Definitely worth the price for anyone wanting to build time and get flight training in a Jet Ranger. You’ll be flying ferry/corporate transport type missions.
We started in Grand Rapids, but I rode back seat to Cadillac (the aircraft’s owner wanted to fly the first leg. I took the right seat in Cadillac for the next 4.2 hours while we flew to a tight parking lot in Saginaw, then to the local airport where we shut down, fueled (waited), started up (yes I did just fine, thanks to Raleigh’s multiple dry runs), back to the parking lot (this time Raleigh did the MP takeoff, as I had no desire to overtorque or overpitch with all the seats filled).
From there, back to Grand Rapids, this time to a slightly larger parking lot, then to the airport, shutting down for lunch and more fuel. After lunch another smooth startup, then back up to Cadillac and finally back to Grand Rapids. Total count, three confined off-airport landings, five normal app/takeoffs, two startups & shutdowns, plenty of hovering, pick-ups & set-downs, and some fun flying over the Michigan countryside (lots of deer).
The helicopter is in great shape – especially so for an A-model. It has a fresh engine, new interior and paint, smooth controls, good avionics and most of the oil stays on the inside!
If you are looking for hours, turbine time, and good instruction from a CFI with plenty of experience in the 206, I recommend this place.
NOTE: you do need to hold at least a PPL(R-H) to partake, due to insurance requirements. And no, this 206 does NOT fly like a big R22!
If you want to find out more, email Raleigh at [email protected] or PM me here if you want more details.
John (back to the Schweizers in MN)
You might have seen a post in the last month about affordable B206 time in Michigan. I got to be the first one to take advantage of the offer - I'm posting a brief synopsis because it is indeed worthwhile!
I just finished a day of flying in a nicely turned-out Bell 206 (and my first turbine time). Definitely worth the price for anyone wanting to build time and get flight training in a Jet Ranger. You’ll be flying ferry/corporate transport type missions.
We started in Grand Rapids, but I rode back seat to Cadillac (the aircraft’s owner wanted to fly the first leg. I took the right seat in Cadillac for the next 4.2 hours while we flew to a tight parking lot in Saginaw, then to the local airport where we shut down, fueled (waited), started up (yes I did just fine, thanks to Raleigh’s multiple dry runs), back to the parking lot (this time Raleigh did the MP takeoff, as I had no desire to overtorque or overpitch with all the seats filled).
From there, back to Grand Rapids, this time to a slightly larger parking lot, then to the airport, shutting down for lunch and more fuel. After lunch another smooth startup, then back up to Cadillac and finally back to Grand Rapids. Total count, three confined off-airport landings, five normal app/takeoffs, two startups & shutdowns, plenty of hovering, pick-ups & set-downs, and some fun flying over the Michigan countryside (lots of deer).
The helicopter is in great shape – especially so for an A-model. It has a fresh engine, new interior and paint, smooth controls, good avionics and most of the oil stays on the inside!
If you are looking for hours, turbine time, and good instruction from a CFI with plenty of experience in the 206, I recommend this place.
NOTE: you do need to hold at least a PPL(R-H) to partake, due to insurance requirements. And no, this 206 does NOT fly like a big R22!
If you want to find out more, email Raleigh at [email protected] or PM me here if you want more details.
John (back to the Schweizers in MN)
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Bell 206 Flight Time for $135/hr.?
Does anyone know about this ad in Rotor & Wing? It says you fly the "Traffic Watch" in "sunny southern California", log PIC time "and get acquainted with the Jet Ranger". Sounds too good to be true.
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Check out Hour building in LA thread below
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Or this thread click here
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See also this thread:
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I flew with Phillippe of Heliclass at Van Nuys in 2002. H is also a CFI, so I did the conversion with him, and a week of Traffic Watch, mornings and evenings; I think he usually books whole weeks. I did 25 hours plus the conversion, and had no problem with the CAA with the hours...though I suspect you might if you had hundreds of hours! I learned a lot, and it was good fun, but to a certain extent you get what you pay for - no start-ups and shut downs, not that much apart from straight and level flying (though you do other stuff when time), and I think I'd have needed a bit more more training just in start-ups and so on to do the UK B206 conversion - I couldn't afford it so it never came up.
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Note:
'Commander Chuck', the other LA traffic watch operator, allows hours builders to do PFLs, pinnacle landings, confined areas etc if they wish.
Although he's not an Instructor, he's a CPL with thousands of Jetranger hours and has access to landing sites for those exercises.
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'Commander Chuck', the other LA traffic watch operator, allows hours builders to do PFLs, pinnacle landings, confined areas etc if they wish.
Although he's not an Instructor, he's a CPL with thousands of Jetranger hours and has access to landing sites for those exercises.
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Against it is that you won't start it and will fly from the left seat. But he that fly's gets PIC
So in a two pilot operation you decide who is PIC after you get back?
If an instructor doesn't touch anything does that count as solo?
Now call me old fashioned, but I would have thought that you decide who is PIC before you get in the bloody thing and the PIC sits in the pilots seat. On the right in this instance.
I would go as far to say that to log time in the described manner could be construed as falsifying documents.
In CRM the R does not stand for random.
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I am a CFI in Pennsylvania and run a school there. This is information only, not an advert. It really does not matter which seat you occupy to log P1 hours. Our students sit in the left seat when training and when they gain their licence in the Bell 47. When they are training for their instructor rating they sit in the right seat. It is P1 whichever seat they sit in as long as they have a licence.
I'm not sure about the traffic watch operation. I can see an argument either way that it is a commercial operation. It would probably be better if Chuck took his instructor rating.
A lot of nonsence is talked about the pilot's seat in the Jetranger. According to the FAA examiner we use the only reason the PIC sits on the right is that the collective on that side has the switches and buttons, the left side does not.
I don't see the CAA having a problem with logging the flight hours on the traffic watch operation as long as the pilot has a licence and actually flies the helicopter. I don't see what difference actually starting the helicopter makes.
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Chopperpilot 47
I'm not sure about the traffic watch operation. I can see an argument either way that it is a commercial operation. It would probably be better if Chuck took his instructor rating.
A lot of nonsence is talked about the pilot's seat in the Jetranger. According to the FAA examiner we use the only reason the PIC sits on the right is that the collective on that side has the switches and buttons, the left side does not.
I don't see the CAA having a problem with logging the flight hours on the traffic watch operation as long as the pilot has a licence and actually flies the helicopter. I don't see what difference actually starting the helicopter makes.
Regards,
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cheap turbine time
Haven't you paid out enough of your hard earned cash already getting licence / ratings ?
Just remember that when you have your turbine hours there is at least one less job around you should be paid to do because captain traffic watch is getting some other sucker to pay to fly!!!
This guy is doing you no favours, he's probably laughing all the way to the bank.
Just remember that when you have your turbine hours there is at least one less job around you should be paid to do because captain traffic watch is getting some other sucker to pay to fly!!!
This guy is doing you no favours, he's probably laughing all the way to the bank.
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building hours
has anyone been to the states{i am in uk} to build R22 hours
prior to cpl. am having trouble finding anyone who will just let me
build hours ie 40 hrs solo in 3 wks vacation.
prior to cpl. am having trouble finding anyone who will just let me
build hours ie 40 hrs solo in 3 wks vacation.
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Well its a lot of hours in a short time... equates to flying minimum of 2 a day - doesn't sound much but as someone who did ppl from 0 to around 50 in 4 weeks and flew home same day as checkride I can assure you it is!
Allowing for tech problems, weather, some relaxation, checkout, etc you re more likely to be flying 4 hrs a day - thats a lot in R22!
But I d still say go for it, you're in a good position for negociating a favourable rate... I can give you name of some one who maybe be able to help if you PM me and don't mind going to California.
I m biased but would put money on it that you ll enjoy the favourable flying atmosphere. But check other threads on the requirements for getting FAA licence based on UK one before commiting to anything.
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Allowing for tech problems, weather, some relaxation, checkout, etc you re more likely to be flying 4 hrs a day - thats a lot in R22!
But I d still say go for it, you're in a good position for negociating a favourable rate... I can give you name of some one who maybe be able to help if you PM me and don't mind going to California.
I m biased but would put money on it that you ll enjoy the favourable flying atmosphere. But check other threads on the requirements for getting FAA licence based on UK one before commiting to anything.
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Have you thought of building those hours in South Africa, combining it with a great vacation ....
I could point you in the right direction to get those 40 hours in three weeks or even less (I did 50hrs in less time ... not too much of a stretch if you do it properly and combine it with some touring across country) ...
Exchange rate would be to your favour as well ... essentially get more hours for same spending ... and see some magnificent country to boot ... good accomdation easy to find ...
As far as I know the admin in terms of converting UK ppl to RSA ppl not a big deal ... I have instructed a couple of European students who have had a great time out here, but wasn't involved in the admin side ... don't know much about that but seems straight forward though ...
Also have a Amercian mate who comes over here almost every year to fly helis on holiday ...
Worth considering ... feel free to contact me if you would like to know more ...
Have you thought of building those hours in South Africa, combining it with a great vacation ....
I could point you in the right direction to get those 40 hours in three weeks or even less (I did 50hrs in less time ... not too much of a stretch if you do it properly and combine it with some touring across country) ...
Exchange rate would be to your favour as well ... essentially get more hours for same spending ... and see some magnificent country to boot ... good accomdation easy to find ...
As far as I know the admin in terms of converting UK ppl to RSA ppl not a big deal ... I have instructed a couple of European students who have had a great time out here, but wasn't involved in the admin side ... don't know much about that but seems straight forward though ...
Also have a Amercian mate who comes over here almost every year to fly helis on holiday ...
Worth considering ... feel free to contact me if you would like to know more ...
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Hour building in the USA
Im currently working towards a CPL H, I'm at the PPL phase at the moment training in the UK.
I plan to go the USA to do my hour building on gas turbine types. This is mainly due to the type of work i do as an aircraft engineer so it more relevant than building on piston types.
Can anyone recommend a good place to do gas turbine types over the pond?
I plan to go the USA to do my hour building on gas turbine types. This is mainly due to the type of work i do as an aircraft engineer so it more relevant than building on piston types.
Can anyone recommend a good place to do gas turbine types over the pond?