Hours building: Questions, Ideas, Advice, Countries etc
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Hours building: Questions, Ideas, Advice, Countries etc
Topic probably covered before but first time here for me.
1000 hrs piston but little jet time.
Can anyone suggest a double cheap way to build hrs. any where in the world.
Thank you.
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1000 hrs piston but little jet time.
Can anyone suggest a double cheap way to build hrs. any where in the world.
Thank you.
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Cheapest place for 206 time is Los Angeles. You can fly traffic watch there for $110/hr which is by far the cheapest I have seen. Against it is that you won't start it and will fly from the left seat. But he that fly's gets PIC....... 562 691 2878 or [email protected]
Can't recommend the operation as I picked the information straight from Rotor and Wing.
Can't recommend the operation as I picked the information straight from Rotor and Wing.
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Cost Sharing
Christmas is coming up, and friends are asking me (as I'm a cheaper option) if I can take them up for a Thames Trip in the JetRanger which I hire.
I'm a PPL(H) holder.
I know I can only take a maximum of 3 pax
My question is how does the cost sharing work? I've asked two people and one says I must pay at least half (even if I have 2 or 3 pax), and the other says I must pay at least my share (that is, if I have 2 pax I pay at least 1/3, and if I have 3 pax I pay at least 1/4).
I presume landing fees and any VAT can also be split equally?
Finally, as my hunt through the ANO didn't reveal an answer (looking for a needle in a haystack), where is it in the ANO or Rules of the Air that says this.
Actually, one more "finally": does anyone have any opinions/gotchas/caveats/thoughts about cost sharing?
Darren
I'm a PPL(H) holder.
I know I can only take a maximum of 3 pax
My question is how does the cost sharing work? I've asked two people and one says I must pay at least half (even if I have 2 or 3 pax), and the other says I must pay at least my share (that is, if I have 2 pax I pay at least 1/3, and if I have 3 pax I pay at least 1/4).
I presume landing fees and any VAT can also be split equally?
Finally, as my hunt through the ANO didn't reveal an answer (looking for a needle in a haystack), where is it in the ANO or Rules of the Air that says this.
Actually, one more "finally": does anyone have any opinions/gotchas/caveats/thoughts about cost sharing?
Darren
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If the CAA rules are anything like Canada (CAR's) then any money recieved for the cost of the A/C or anything other would be considered to be a commercial hire. Since you hold a PPL(H) you have to be careful about how you declare any funds you recieve.
I would suggest you contact flyinglawyer for the definitive answer.
Cheers, OffshoreIgor
[This message has been edited by offshoreigor (edited 03 December 2000).]
I would suggest you contact flyinglawyer for the definitive answer.
Cheers, OffshoreIgor
[This message has been edited by offshoreigor (edited 03 December 2000).]
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You can share the costs of the flight with your passengers as long as there's no element of profit to yourself. If you split it equally between the four of you, there's no problem. What you can split is the actual costs of the flight itself - including VAT and Landing Fees. If you own the aircraft, you can't factor in any fixed charges such as a proportion of the parking charges or whatever. If you're renting it, no problem, just split the final bill four ways.
Offshoreigor: the CAA used to have the same system - if any money or payment in kind changed hands it was considered Hire or Reward. A few years ago they realised this was too Draconian even for them so they changed the wording from "Hire or Reward" to "Valuable Consideration", thus allowing sharing of the actual costs of a flight between the passengers and Pilot, as long as the Pilot made no element of profit.
I've hunted through the CAA site for a reference, but unfortunately I can't find it, sorry.
Offshoreigor: the CAA used to have the same system - if any money or payment in kind changed hands it was considered Hire or Reward. A few years ago they realised this was too Draconian even for them so they changed the wording from "Hire or Reward" to "Valuable Consideration", thus allowing sharing of the actual costs of a flight between the passengers and Pilot, as long as the Pilot made no element of profit.
I've hunted through the CAA site for a reference, but unfortunately I can't find it, sorry.
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Good news: your passengers can pay for your portion too!
See Article 130 paras 8 and 10. The only constraint on PPLs receiving "valuable consideration" (dosh to you and me) is no more than 3 pax plus pilot.
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See Article 130 paras 8 and 10. The only constraint on PPLs receiving "valuable consideration" (dosh to you and me) is no more than 3 pax plus pilot.
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Dangrenade: hiring a JetRanger on a PPL just requires a type conversion, which is 5 hours plus a flight test. But for insurance reasons, I needed to have 20 hours with a safety pilot (my instructor). As soon as I'd done those 20 hours, I was able to take the JetRanger solo. In fact, this was 20 hours "turbine time", my time's split between the JetRanger and the H500 (5 hours minimum on each though for the type conversions) with a bias towards the JetRanger. As soon as I'd clocked up 20 hours total, I took the H500 and the JetRanger up in the same weekend, around Snowdonia (we were doing a mountain flying course). Also, for that first solo flight in the JetRanger I took a pax up who's first flight it was in a helicopter.
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Are you absolutley sure that the pax can pay for the entire flight with the PPL contributing nothing?
If your right, the law must have changed because the position used to be that the PPL had to pay at least his proportion of the cost.
Four pax, pilot must pay at least 25% etc.
Are you absolutley sure that the pax can pay for the entire flight with the PPL contributing nothing?
If your right, the law must have changed because the position used to be that the PPL had to pay at least his proportion of the cost.
Four pax, pilot must pay at least 25% etc.
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Well, I tried without success to scan the page and OCR it, so here's the long hand version:
Article 130, para 8 (ii) (bb); The proportion which such contribution bears to the total direct costs of the flight shall not exceed the proportion which the number of persons carried on the flight (excluding the pilot) bears to the number of persons carried on the flight (including the pilot).
When I read this I came to my initial conclusion. Now I wouldn't like to say as it's late and I've had a busy day. Anyway, 130 is the article to read!
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Article 130, para 8 (ii) (bb); The proportion which such contribution bears to the total direct costs of the flight shall not exceed the proportion which the number of persons carried on the flight (excluding the pilot) bears to the number of persons carried on the flight (including the pilot).
When I read this I came to my initial conclusion. Now I wouldn't like to say as it's late and I've had a busy day. Anyway, 130 is the article to read!
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Offshoreigor: I had a look at Canada's C.A.R.S. and they do allow a private pilot to recoup flying costs as in C.A.R. 401.28 (2) it reads as follows:
401.28(1) No holder of a private pilot licence shall act as the pilot of an aeroplane or helicopter for hire or reward unless the conditions set out in subsection (2), (3) or (4), as applicable, are met.
(2) The holder of a private pilot licence may receive reimbursement for costs incurred in respect of a flight where
(a) the holder is the owner or operator of the aircraft;
(b) the holder conducts the flight for purposes other than hire or reward;
(c) the holder carries passengers only incidentally to the purposes of the flight; and
(d) the reimbursement
(i) is provided only by the passengers referred to in paragraph (c), and
(ii) is for the purpose of sharing costs for fuel, oil and fees charged against the aircraft in respect of the flight, as applicable.
However, I recommend that anyone wanting to charge for flying should make sure that they read all regulations, and ensure that they follow all that apply.
I just wanted to clarify things.
Randy_G
401.28(1) No holder of a private pilot licence shall act as the pilot of an aeroplane or helicopter for hire or reward unless the conditions set out in subsection (2), (3) or (4), as applicable, are met.
(2) The holder of a private pilot licence may receive reimbursement for costs incurred in respect of a flight where
(a) the holder is the owner or operator of the aircraft;
(b) the holder conducts the flight for purposes other than hire or reward;
(c) the holder carries passengers only incidentally to the purposes of the flight; and
(d) the reimbursement
(i) is provided only by the passengers referred to in paragraph (c), and
(ii) is for the purpose of sharing costs for fuel, oil and fees charged against the aircraft in respect of the flight, as applicable.
However, I recommend that anyone wanting to charge for flying should make sure that they read all regulations, and ensure that they follow all that apply.
I just wanted to clarify things.
Randy_G