Growing Evidence That The Upturn Is Upon Us
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Nope. Was talking to a CTC Cadet a couple of weeks ago.....at the moment the hold pool, which aparantly has upto 90-100 ex-cadets in it, is not getting cleared so I can't really see an advantage to it. If I was in the hold pool indefinitely then at least you're on a list somewhere for a job....however I found out the other day that you're only allowed to remain in the hold poole for 12 months after completion of training 
. I personally wouldn't like to bet that I would be top of that queue within the next 2 years. Then again it's probably no more risky than any other way of training at the moment. Swings and Roundabouts.
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. I personally wouldn't like to bet that I would be top of that queue within the next 2 years. Then again it's probably no more risky than any other way of training at the moment. Swings and Roundabouts.2W2R
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The CTC ATP scheme has been re-opened for a several weeks now.
If selected, you pay £8,000 for an MCC course (even if you already have one) and then enter the holding pool. Depending on who you believe, the holding pool is around 80 deep and growing.
Even the FAQ on the website states that you are only placed with an airline once everyone else has gone. Those who went to assessment were told 2 years at best. I think that is optomistic.
In a nut shell, they have opened the scheme to take a load of 8ks from desperate wannabes to fill up empty sim slots. They have no realistic chance of a placement.
It's the way of the world at the minute I'm afraid.....
The CTC ATP scheme has been re-opened for a several weeks now.
If selected, you pay £8,000 for an MCC course (even if you already have one) and then enter the holding pool. Depending on who you believe, the holding pool is around 80 deep and growing.
Even the FAQ on the website states that you are only placed with an airline once everyone else has gone. Those who went to assessment were told 2 years at best. I think that is optomistic.
In a nut shell, they have opened the scheme to take a load of 8ks from desperate wannabes to fill up empty sim slots. They have no realistic chance of a placement.
It's the way of the world at the minute I'm afraid.....
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If selected, you pay £8,000 for an MCC course (even if you already have one) and then enter the holding pool
you can get an MCC course on a full motion for two and half to three grand in the UK !!
In a nut shell, they have opened the scheme to take a load of 8ks from desperate wannabes to fill up empty sim slots.
But I wonder whether they set a time limit on when you must attend the course after passing the assessment?
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This is just nothing short of criminal!
Please please please tell me there are some intelligent, future-to-be Professional Pilots not buying into this...???
Please please please tell me there are some intelligent, future-to-be Professional Pilots not buying into this...???
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This is just nothing short of criminal!
Please please please tell me there are some intelligent, future-to-be Professional Pilots not buying into this...???
Please please please tell me there are some intelligent, future-to-be Professional Pilots not buying into this...???
What a sad state of affairs!
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There is worse happening, just ask the cadets who are doing around 400hrs of work at ezy for free this summer, only to be told to sling their hooks come the autumn.
Knowingly taking on pilots desperate for hours, paying them nothing and then letting them go - that's a disgrace to the industry, and it is totally
ing everything up for those who may wish to follow. If you want "seasonality" then you take on contract pilots on a temporary basis, and you pay them. Unfortunately the scheme CTC set up that has worked so well for a few thousand pilots over the last decade or so is now in a dire state. Their desperation to place cadets is allowing the likes of easyJet to raise the bar on immoral practices towards inexperienced pilots.
Knowingly taking on pilots desperate for hours, paying them nothing and then letting them go - that's a disgrace to the industry, and it is totally
ing everything up for those who may wish to follow. If you want "seasonality" then you take on contract pilots on a temporary basis, and you pay them. Unfortunately the scheme CTC set up that has worked so well for a few thousand pilots over the last decade or so is now in a dire state. Their desperation to place cadets is allowing the likes of easyJet to raise the bar on immoral practices towards inexperienced pilots.
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This is just nothing short of criminal
MCCs are supposed to be teaching skills which are universally accepted by all airlines, but not CTC!
At £8K and in the current climate one really needs to ask if they are in effect buying a job from CTC! (we have better airline links, will cost you more money). The fact of the matter is, they could easily incorporate whatever it is they think you didn’t learn properly during your MCC into the TR. Somewhere there is a very fat profit margin.
This would not be tolerated if Ryanair did it. Are we supposed to be accepting it just because it’s CTC? That’s probably what some bright spark in CTC is thinking.
Its exploitation. It makes me angry and confused. Confused because I thought by this point nobody would still be spending so much so willingly on training and licenses and schemes. I thought people wouldn't have the money.
Obviously they still have.
Mystery where it comes from though. Surely even the bank of Mum&Dad have even stopped lending now?
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Obviously they still have.
Mystery where it comes from though. Surely even the bank of Mum&Dad have even stopped lending now?
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CTC Ponzi-type scam?
I wonder if the incoming money stream from suckers paying £8k for MCC courses and the like goes to pay for temp assignments for earlier candidates, the beneficiaries being the airlines and CTC management. The feature of such a scheme is that when the people at the end suddenly want their money (or a job), nothing is forthcoming. The money or jobs are not there. I imagine CTC are reaching that point.
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If you want something enough foolishly thinking the only thing blocking you from your so called dream life you will find and pay the £8k. There is always prostitution which is a good apprenticeship for the rest of your career!
If you want something enough foolishly thinking the only thing blocking you from your so called dream life you will find and pay the £8k. There is always prostitution which is a good apprenticeship for the rest of your career!
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There is always prostitution which is a good apprenticeship for the rest of your career!
From todays Times:
Virgin cuts flights, threatening 600 jobs - Times Online
Winter programmes are being slashed by the majority of UK airlines now. This winter is going to be vicious.
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Virgin cuts flights, threatening 600 jobs - Times Online
Virgin Atlantic chief executive Steve Ridgway said: “The outlook for the industry is as bleak as ever and all airlines are having to shrink their businesses.
Winter programmes are being slashed by the majority of UK airlines now. This winter is going to be vicious.
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Well I would generally agree that this winter is going be to hard but on the other hand I keep hearing from a variety of Captain's that their airline has rumours of recruiting again within the next 6 months. Seems to be a stark contrast between what I and many of us believe will happen and what I hear is rumoured to be happening later in the year. Rumours are just rumours but they must have started somewhere at management level. I think you could toss a coin at the moment, it could go one way or the other.
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For what it's worth, we have a seen a surprisingly dramatic improvement in sales in the last few months, with May sales up 25% on April, and June sales up 30% on May. A number of airlines (not lots, but a handful) are conducting assessments now, not just the obvious Irish LCC!
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BA axes spending by 20% as traffic tumbles
British Airways (BA) today announced plans to axe its annual spending plans by 20 per cent, ground flights and reduce its capacity forecasts for summer and winter.
The flag carrier, which is still in talks with unions over jobs and pay cuts, said today that it will reduce this year’s capital expenditure from £725 million to £580 million.
The airline said it expects spending to remain in line with the reduced target in the next financial year to 2011.
BA has been exploring a number of options to cut costs after making a £401 million full-year loss on rising fuel prices and falling passenger numbers as cash-strapped holidaymakers choose to stay at home.
The flag carrier, which is still in talks with unions over jobs and pay cuts, said today that it will reduce this year’s capital expenditure from £725 million to £580 million.
The airline said it expects spending to remain in line with the reduced target in the next financial year to 2011.
BA has been exploring a number of options to cut costs after making a £401 million full-year loss on rising fuel prices and falling passenger numbers as cash-strapped holidaymakers choose to stay at home.