View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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16.67%
You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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16.67%
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Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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Allioth,
On a side note, I'm currently at Stapleford and as yet not met anyone who has done or is going to do the Astraeus 737+line training, the ones that have all passed their IR recently have seemed to do to Parc MCC and then onto Ryan, with I believe good sucess, don't quote me on that but just what I've heard. However, I do believe a couple of guys did the Astraeus course and got taken on by Astraeus afterwards, so goes to show it can work.
Guess it's all horses for courses! Taking of which "beef or chicken" is a good bet in the gold cup today which is quite apt I think!
Enjoy Stapleford, good choice.. Really enjoying it there..
On a side note, I'm currently at Stapleford and as yet not met anyone who has done or is going to do the Astraeus 737+line training, the ones that have all passed their IR recently have seemed to do to Parc MCC and then onto Ryan, with I believe good sucess, don't quote me on that but just what I've heard. However, I do believe a couple of guys did the Astraeus course and got taken on by Astraeus afterwards, so goes to show it can work.
Guess it's all horses for courses! Taking of which "beef or chicken" is a good bet in the gold cup today which is quite apt I think!
Enjoy Stapleford, good choice.. Really enjoying it there..
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This thread might give you some info on Stapleford/Astraeus. It might be worth asking on it if anyone has actually done the course, and whether any of them are now employed.
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I would say your going to be in a much better position than someone that has been to Oxford and got 100 hrs instructing on a C152.
If i had to start and pay for my training again i would without doubt go to Stapleford and get the 100hrs on a 737. There are so many low houred guys out there that you need any advantage you can get !!
If i had to start and pay for my training again i would without doubt go to Stapleford and get the 100hrs on a 737. There are so many low houred guys out there that you need any advantage you can get !!
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To be frankly honest if Stapleford's relationship with Ryanair is that good - go with ryanair, a job is a job and after 2 years you will have close to 2000 hours or more 737.
Let's also remember that you are buying all your flight training and type rating for the same price as what you would at Oxford or Cabair for just an fATPL, far more experienced! I just can't see how you are possibly loosing out with over 100 hours type compared to some 200 hour abnitio.
Don't worry, sit back, because it's patently the best of all possible training choices right now.
Good luck mate!
Let's also remember that you are buying all your flight training and type rating for the same price as what you would at Oxford or Cabair for just an fATPL, far more experienced! I just can't see how you are possibly loosing out with over 100 hours type compared to some 200 hour abnitio.
Don't worry, sit back, because it's patently the best of all possible training choices right now.
Good luck mate!
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By buying a jet rating you are stating your preference loud and clear as to what you want to fly. What happens if you can't get a job flying jets at the end? I doubt that you would get a sniff from any turbo-prop operators due to this jet rating.
Who knows what recruitment will be like in 15 months form now. Perhaps airlines won't freely be taking SSTR's like they are now. Perhaps going forward more and more airlines will appoint specefic training organisations (think BMI/MyTravel/First Choice and GEcat) and if you dont come from them, then forget it (easyJet/CTC anyone?)
You never know.
Who knows what recruitment will be like in 15 months form now. Perhaps airlines won't freely be taking SSTR's like they are now. Perhaps going forward more and more airlines will appoint specefic training organisations (think BMI/MyTravel/First Choice and GEcat) and if you dont come from them, then forget it (easyJet/CTC anyone?)
You never know.
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I don't think there are any 737 rated pilots out there struggling to find work.
Your hundred hours doesn't mean much in terms of ability but it does mean that you can be taken on tomorrow, put through a week in the sim and a week of line training flights and be fully operational within a fortnight. Rather than the 2 months it takes to do the whole rating, sims and line training hours.
So what you need is to find 737 operators needing pilots in a hurry.
Several low cost operators of that type seem to be in urgent need of new pilots so as long as you are not some kind of muppet at interview you should be able to sleep easy when writing the cheques this year.
Just cross your fingers that something doesn't go bang with the industry in the meantime.
Good luck,
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Your hundred hours doesn't mean much in terms of ability but it does mean that you can be taken on tomorrow, put through a week in the sim and a week of line training flights and be fully operational within a fortnight. Rather than the 2 months it takes to do the whole rating, sims and line training hours.
So what you need is to find 737 operators needing pilots in a hurry.
Several low cost operators of that type seem to be in urgent need of new pilots so as long as you are not some kind of muppet at interview you should be able to sleep easy when writing the cheques this year.
Just cross your fingers that something doesn't go bang with the industry in the meantime.
Good luck,
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Don't be put off too much by the adverts asking for 500 hours minimum. When did you last see an ad in flight from a TP or jet operator asking for people with 1000 hours single-engine piston? Yet they're still getting jobs.
The fact is, if companies are prepared to take a chance on low hours or ex-instructor types, or indeed people with SSTRs, they don't need to spend money on ads; they're getting 100 CVs a day as it is.
The fact is, if companies are prepared to take a chance on low hours or ex-instructor types, or indeed people with SSTRs, they don't need to spend money on ads; they're getting 100 CVs a day as it is.
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WWW,
With all due respect for your knowledge of the aviation business, but this is one point where you're wrong.
I finished up my TR on the 737 one year ago, and as soon as I was done, I started contacting various agencies in search of a job.
They all had me know that unless I'm line-trained and pretty much "ready to go" (as you yourself stated; within a fortnight), there's was just about no bl**dy chance. One lady at a specific agency told me she had app's from a little more than one-hundred "type-rated, but no time on type"-guys/girls!!
Now, that was one year ago!
Meanwhile the likes of Bond/Astraeus, Aviatraining, FSB, Sterling, SASFA, Randheim, etc....., have been grinding out new students with fresh TR's.
The only ones I know, that have gotten a job straight after a typerating, are those that had substantial TT, and even some of them ran into problems.
Ooohh, and of course, those that bit the bullit and opted for the "pay-for-training" through Eaglejet or Astraeus.
With all due respect for your knowledge of the aviation business, but this is one point where you're wrong.
I finished up my TR on the 737 one year ago, and as soon as I was done, I started contacting various agencies in search of a job.
They all had me know that unless I'm line-trained and pretty much "ready to go" (as you yourself stated; within a fortnight), there's was just about no bl**dy chance. One lady at a specific agency told me she had app's from a little more than one-hundred "type-rated, but no time on type"-guys/girls!!
Now, that was one year ago!
Meanwhile the likes of Bond/Astraeus, Aviatraining, FSB, Sterling, SASFA, Randheim, etc....., have been grinding out new students with fresh TR's.
The only ones I know, that have gotten a job straight after a typerating, are those that had substantial TT, and even some of them ran into problems.
Ooohh, and of course, those that bit the bullit and opted for the "pay-for-training" through Eaglejet or Astraeus.
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all these training sound like scam to me.
all they want is your money, the all make you believe if you have 100-200 or 500 hours, you have a job.and based on what?
many airlines can not hire pilots, simply because they do not have openings.
Nothing to do with your hours.
you have the same chance to get a job with 200h than with 2000 hour on jet.
do not be fooled by these dreamer makers who profit of the situation to fill their pockets with your $!
I knew a captain who was selling this kind of training(pay to work). He said after building 500h on jet, you will get a job.I asked him why he did nt have a job as pilot, ...no answer!!!!
all they want is your money, the all make you believe if you have 100-200 or 500 hours, you have a job.and based on what?
many airlines can not hire pilots, simply because they do not have openings.
Nothing to do with your hours.
you have the same chance to get a job with 200h than with 2000 hour on jet.
do not be fooled by these dreamer makers who profit of the situation to fill their pockets with your $!
I knew a captain who was selling this kind of training(pay to work). He said after building 500h on jet, you will get a job.I asked him why he did nt have a job as pilot, ...no answer!!!!
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If you studied you stats from flight schools you will see that very few fail to get a job who graduate oxford or cabair (I don't generally big them up). Secondly, if you study your stats with the type rating courses you will conclude that this is with out doutb the best way in for those who haven't gone to oxford or cabair.
Astraeus have a very good reputation for their training and at present are on a boom with graduate employment.
I continuously do not understand why people keep knocking type ratings. I went to the pilot training exhibition conference at Heathrow in November and they had the likes of BA, Atlantic Airlines (Flight Training) saying 'oh don't go modular or do a type rating'. In my opinion, they all have there reasons. 1 A relationship with Oxford Aviation Training that even after a thousand showers their noses would still be terd brown (BA) + ab initios courses and secondly they have there own jobs they can offer student s at the end (AFT). It doesn't help naive prospectors one bit!
sorry if some don't like my opinion.
Astraeus have a very good reputation for their training and at present are on a boom with graduate employment.
I continuously do not understand why people keep knocking type ratings. I went to the pilot training exhibition conference at Heathrow in November and they had the likes of BA, Atlantic Airlines (Flight Training) saying 'oh don't go modular or do a type rating'. In my opinion, they all have there reasons. 1 A relationship with Oxford Aviation Training that even after a thousand showers their noses would still be terd brown (BA) + ab initios courses and secondly they have there own jobs they can offer student s at the end (AFT). It doesn't help naive prospectors one bit!
sorry if some don't like my opinion.
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I continuously do not understand why people keep knocking type ratings. I went to the pilot training exhibition conference at Heathrow in November and they had the likes of BA, Atlantic Airlines (Flight Training) saying 'oh don't go modular or do a type rating'. In my opinion, they all have there reasons. 1 A relationship with Oxford Aviation Training that even after a thousand showers their noses would still be terd brown (BA) + ab initios courses and secondly they have there own jobs they can offer student s at the end (AFT). It doesn't help naive prospectors one bit!
Don't speak from preconceptions - speak from the basis of FACTS. You don't help naive prospectors one bit.
The reason a type rating is pointless without a job is not that one should denegrate people attempting to make themselves more marketable, but that in large numbers of cases it is unmarketable without far more hours on type of actual experience operating the aircraft.
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Fortunately, I do have alot more information than most as I have quite a few connections on the inside of the flight training system. But, I'm sure if you asked nicely you would be able to get a stack of information if you just went to the flight schools and asked.
There is no conspiracy or secret THERE ARE PLENTY OF JOBS IN FLUITION FOR VERY GOOD PILOTS WHO PASS THROUGH THE TOP SCHOOLS at this point in time!
Why does this site try to perpetuate there is a problem which is wrong? The facts are if you go to the wrong school you'll have difficulties, but if you go to the Top ones you are pretty much in AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
There is no conspiracy or secret THERE ARE PLENTY OF JOBS IN FLUITION FOR VERY GOOD PILOTS WHO PASS THROUGH THE TOP SCHOOLS at this point in time!
Why does this site try to perpetuate there is a problem which is wrong? The facts are if you go to the wrong school you'll have difficulties, but if you go to the Top ones you are pretty much in AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
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What on earth does 'in fluition' mean? I can't find it in any dictionary, and online research gives only an internet marketing tool. Perhaps you are a salesman for one or more of the schools??!
This site does not 'perpetuate that there is a problem which is wrong'. It can only reflect the experiences of those currently in training and trying to find a job. It may well be that the majority of OAT and FTE graduates find employment quite quickly - in fact, you would expect that to be the case - but there is a problem for the rest in this perception that a type rating (and another £20,000 investment) is now required. Then we get into the 'paying to work' argument, which is only one step further down the line...
Looking through your posts, it would appear that you think the business of borrowing up to £100,000 is not a problem, and that a type rating is a necessary part of the wannabe's programme, and you claim contacts on the inside of the industry - do you wonder that I think you may be on the sales side? When was the last time you borrowed that kind of money unsecured? It's only not a problem if you're the one being given that money with no risk!
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This site does not 'perpetuate that there is a problem which is wrong'. It can only reflect the experiences of those currently in training and trying to find a job. It may well be that the majority of OAT and FTE graduates find employment quite quickly - in fact, you would expect that to be the case - but there is a problem for the rest in this perception that a type rating (and another £20,000 investment) is now required. Then we get into the 'paying to work' argument, which is only one step further down the line...
Looking through your posts, it would appear that you think the business of borrowing up to £100,000 is not a problem, and that a type rating is a necessary part of the wannabe's programme, and you claim contacts on the inside of the industry - do you wonder that I think you may be on the sales side? When was the last time you borrowed that kind of money unsecured? It's only not a problem if you're the one being given that money with no risk!
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There is no conspiracy or secret THERE ARE PLENTY OF JOBS IN FLUITION FOR VERY GOOD PILOTS WHO PASS THROUGH THE TOP SCHOOLS at this point in time!
Great for those guys! What is your advice if you come from this pre topschool era?
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Originally Posted by TenAndie
I would say your going to be in a much better position than someone that has been to Oxford and got 100 hrs instructing on a C152.
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Re-Heat: I see your point about BA not liking modular trained pilots as much as integrated trained pilots, but I know of three who recently got jobs with BA. All passed the BA training and are now on line........so it does happen. 
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B737 Type Rating
Hi
Anybody know if obtaining a type rating for a Medium/Heavy Jet transport category aircraft in the U.S say a Boeing/Airbus Type Rating is any use for flying as a career for a European Airline?
Why i ask this question is that it seems a heck of a lot cheaper to get typed here as opposed to the UK. What's the catch?
Anybody know if obtaining a type rating for a Medium/Heavy Jet transport category aircraft in the U.S say a Boeing/Airbus Type Rating is any use for flying as a career for a European Airline?
Why i ask this question is that it seems a heck of a lot cheaper to get typed here as opposed to the UK. What's the catch?