View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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16.67%
You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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16.67%
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Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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There are alot of people who have put up the cash for a type rating already and are seeking jobs in europe. I guess time on type is very valuable. If you obtain any type rating in the US make sure you have the JAR certification if you want to use it in Europe.
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I didn't say it does not happen - doing CTC or plunging through a reputable school in minimum time is far removed from modular at a more gentlemanly pace on a part-time basis. The lack of pressure on a DIY timescale is what they attempt to avoid from candidates.
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That's right Re-Heat. I did my ATPLs part-time, and frequently sipped G&Ts throughout the evening, watched T.V. at weekends while browsing through my study notes. Come to think of it, I even took a flask of coffee and some cheese and biscuits on most of my IR sorties, and especially my IRT.
What a load of rubbish.
What a load of rubbish.
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To make myself clear, as you appear not to understand "a gentlemanly pace"; if you are to work part/full time and learn to fly part-time, you do not and cannot accumulate sufficient flying knowledge in sufficiently short a time to be able to cope with the rigours of line training - that was BA's experience, be it right or wrong, and that is why they prefer people whom have not taken their time to train up.
Why don't you go out and speak with BA line trainers who have trained such people in the past - they had immense trouble coping with the syllabus, which is why BA does not look at people who have built up hours to achieve fATPL at a gentlemanly pace, and ony those who have done it in a short space of time from established schools, be they integrated, structured modular, or doing it fulltime yourself at somewhere such as Bristol.
Yes, you point below plays a part a well, but BA has experimented in times of lack of suitable trainees in the mid-90s.
To make myself clear, as you appear not to understand "a gentlemanly pace"; if you are to work part/full time and learn to fly part-time, you do not and cannot accumulate sufficient flying knowledge in sufficiently short a time to be able to cope with the rigours of line training - that was BA's experience, be it right or wrong, and that is why they prefer people whom have not taken their time to train up.
Why don't you go out and speak with BA line trainers who have trained such people in the past - they had immense trouble coping with the syllabus, which is why BA does not look at people who have built up hours to achieve fATPL at a gentlemanly pace, and ony those who have done it in a short space of time from established schools, be they integrated, structured modular, or doing it fulltime yourself at somewhere such as Bristol.
Yes, you point below plays a part a well, but BA has experimented in times of lack of suitable trainees in the mid-90s.
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Resorting to personal abuse does not help your argument.
BA select from integrated full-time schools because they have a ready access to training records for the life of the student. The reasons you state are simply not correct.
BA select from integrated full-time schools because they have a ready access to training records for the life of the student. The reasons you state are simply not correct.
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But surely you still get the end result - not everyone is in a position to throw £60K + at a full time course for two years even if they wanted to.
The quality of training is arguable it really depends on your instructor and YOUR APTITUDE. YOUR APTITUDE is what really counts. If you have ****e all aptitude you can still get lucky and land a job going through the intergrated or modular.
Aptitude and your networking skills are surely what will get you a job or not get you a job. How you got your ticket (unless it's a cornflakes jobby) doesn't matter one iota.
The quality of training is arguable it really depends on your instructor and YOUR APTITUDE. YOUR APTITUDE is what really counts. If you have ****e all aptitude you can still get lucky and land a job going through the intergrated or modular.
Aptitude and your networking skills are surely what will get you a job or not get you a job. How you got your ticket (unless it's a cornflakes jobby) doesn't matter one iota.
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Agreed.
Throughout my training there were three groups of people:
- those who had to work hard to learn and fly, particuarly in the more advanced stages of flying but they got it in the end
- those who seemed to sail through all their training, with no remedial work required.
- the two left feet brigade, who had real difficulty and did not seem to have any natural ability.
One chap I knew on my course had already completed an IR course and failed. He spent another 25hrs post failure (at another school) and still wasn't anywhere near passing his IRT. I think it was down to his ability and the instructor, but he seemed to have absolutely no spatial awareness. I was quite impressed with his determination though - he just would not give up.
Throughout my training there were three groups of people:
- those who had to work hard to learn and fly, particuarly in the more advanced stages of flying but they got it in the end
- those who seemed to sail through all their training, with no remedial work required.
- the two left feet brigade, who had real difficulty and did not seem to have any natural ability.
One chap I knew on my course had already completed an IR course and failed. He spent another 25hrs post failure (at another school) and still wasn't anywhere near passing his IRT. I think it was down to his ability and the instructor, but he seemed to have absolutely no spatial awareness. I was quite impressed with his determination though - he just would not give up.
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B737 and/or A320 Type rating - where/who?
Hey,
looking into doing the A320 TR. Any info on which Training Organisation offers the best course with line training? Storm with Wizz @ £28000, Sigma with MyTravel @ £44000...big cost difference!
If anyone has allready done the training could you shed some light on the rating and the line training itself.
Thanks.
looking into doing the A320 TR. Any info on which Training Organisation offers the best course with line training? Storm with Wizz @ £28000, Sigma with MyTravel @ £44000...big cost difference!
If anyone has allready done the training could you shed some light on the rating and the line training itself.
Thanks.
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Hey Ricardo, I found the one for you! Jetlink; only 66.000€ with 8 months of flying for free somewhere included; I guess it was line training at Air Balkan...at least the hotels that you have to pay there are not TOOOO expensive.
Go for it man!
Don't forget; first you'll have to pass the interview...that will be a tough one!
Go for it man!
Don't forget; first you'll have to pass the interview...that will be a tough one!
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TR for A 320
Ricardo,
I dont know if it is legal in this forum to post an address of a flight school (as I am new to this forum) but comfly in Berlin, Germany, does a good job on the TR training for the airbus.
The complete cost is about 21.000 € (approx. 15.000 GBP), plus 6.270 € (4.400 GBP) (current price) for the required 6 Traffic Pattern.
check it out: www.comfly.de
Happy Landings
GC
I dont know if it is legal in this forum to post an address of a flight school (as I am new to this forum) but comfly in Berlin, Germany, does a good job on the TR training for the airbus.
The complete cost is about 21.000 € (approx. 15.000 GBP), plus 6.270 € (4.400 GBP) (current price) for the required 6 Traffic Pattern.
check it out: www.comfly.de
Happy Landings
GC
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No surprises!
Thanks for the info, appreciate it. Any help is good help even if it is useless.
It would be nice to think the majority of people in aviation were fairly decent but thats just wishful thinking by the looks of it. PPRUNE so no surprises really!
I expected there to be some sarcastic unhelpfull reply to my post and i wasn't wrong. Thanks for proving me right.
If anyone has got something constructive to say i'd appreciate it.
It would be nice to think the majority of people in aviation were fairly decent but thats just wishful thinking by the looks of it. PPRUNE so no surprises really!
I expected there to be some sarcastic unhelpfull reply to my post and i wasn't wrong. Thanks for proving me right.
If anyone has got something constructive to say i'd appreciate it.
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Ricardo82 is spot on if people want to enquire about SSTR just bloody let them...and to those who keep on with the famous Type Rating discussion... just save yourself the time to reply if it is not going to benefit someone.
if people want to enquire about SSTR just bloody let them...and to those who keep on with the famous Type Rating discussion... just save yourself the time to reply if it is not going to benefit someone.
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Dear Mr MAGVAR,
Having myself informed recently at some of the places offering SSTR I think my advice might be helpfull. What's your advise or experience? Are you maybe a SSTR salesman...
As I stated before my major concern is all the waiting...waiting list for the TR, waiting list for the line training and what about quality. I hear Astraeus is more than OK but what with the daily changing job market situation??
I think most of the guys going for the SSTR now are the ones that have been looking for a job in the last 2 years but there simply were (almost) no jobs. I think it might be usefull to consider end 2005, beginning 2006 as the comeback for optimism.
Should you go for it, why not consider a prop TR, 30 to 40% cheaper and you will not have to pay for line training or at least try to make a deal with an airline before you start the adventure.
Recently 1 out of 10 guys
with a TR was selected on an evaluation at TNT Airways before they started the ab-initio recruitment !! ha ha - take into account that the required standards are on another level once you claim to be the TR pilot!
Having myself informed recently at some of the places offering SSTR I think my advice might be helpfull. What's your advise or experience? Are you maybe a SSTR salesman...
As I stated before my major concern is all the waiting...waiting list for the TR, waiting list for the line training and what about quality. I hear Astraeus is more than OK but what with the daily changing job market situation??
I think most of the guys going for the SSTR now are the ones that have been looking for a job in the last 2 years but there simply were (almost) no jobs. I think it might be usefull to consider end 2005, beginning 2006 as the comeback for optimism.
Should you go for it, why not consider a prop TR, 30 to 40% cheaper and you will not have to pay for line training or at least try to make a deal with an airline before you start the adventure.
Recently 1 out of 10 guys
with a TR was selected on an evaluation at TNT Airways before they started the ab-initio recruitment !! ha ha - take into account that the required standards are on another level once you claim to be the TR pilot!
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Dear Mr zooloflyer,
Some fair points made by you.... despite the stupid comment at the start!!
. It was not that hard was it?........ to give constructive information?
Some fair points made by you.... despite the stupid comment at the start!!
. It was not that hard was it?........ to give constructive information?