View Poll Results: Type rating?
Bought Type rating - got the job
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Bought Type rating - told "need time on type"
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16.67%
You were told buy the type and get the job - but did not get a job offer anyway
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Voters: 6. This poll is closed
Type Rating - which type, where, why pay etc?
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I guess there's just no use in promoting the SSTR's - nobody gets better out of it - except the money makers.
It's definitely true that for some of us it might be the last chance to get the first right hand seat job but lets just try to keep it that way. Let's avoid the exeption making the rule
It's definitely true that for some of us it might be the last chance to get the first right hand seat job but lets just try to keep it that way. Let's avoid the exeption making the rule
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I can get an A320 TR in the US for around $11,500 (quite considerably cheaper than a JAA one) 500 hours without a work permit in this climate isn't going to happen unless I buy time and then its not guaranteed FAA.
Does anyone know what I can do to bridge my FAA TR to a JAA one? i.e. 3 day course at XYZ school and it costs 3 grand
Does anyone know what I can do to bridge my FAA TR to a JAA one? i.e. 3 day course at XYZ school and it costs 3 grand
You cannot "convert" a raw FAA TR with no experience. As has been said 500hrs on type would be the minimum.
I have heard though that a Canadian TR (thru Walts - ActiveAerospace? outfit in BC) could be valid with the JAA authorities in some countries (Belgium is one?) *without* conversion.
Sorry don't know anymore.
$11500 for an A320 TR seems awfully cheap though, and there can't be many US providers.
I have heard though that a Canadian TR (thru Walts - ActiveAerospace? outfit in BC) could be valid with the JAA authorities in some countries (Belgium is one?) *without* conversion.
Sorry don't know anymore.
$11500 for an A320 TR seems awfully cheap though, and there can't be many US providers.
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Bond Aviation based in Atlanta. I looked at two, the 737NG course is based at Delta Airlines Contract Services. The course qualifies not only on the NG (600/600/800/BBJ) but also the EFIS models (300/400/500) so all in all its a pretty good deal at a cost of $9,500! FAA remember fellow wannabees.
Another PPRuNer, Tropaco put me onto them both. I hope he has found something since he first PM'd me
There are a number of good deals about but Bond seemed to be the best around (pricewise) and in terms of approach.
US Air offer a deal on the A320 for approx. $11,500
This is an article I found useful:
http://www.avweb.com/news/avtraining/182365-1.html
Another PPRuNer, Tropaco put me onto them both. I hope he has found something since he first PM'd me
There are a number of good deals about but Bond seemed to be the best around (pricewise) and in terms of approach.
US Air offer a deal on the A320 for approx. $11,500
This is an article I found useful:
http://www.avweb.com/news/avtraining/182365-1.html
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Pragmatism?
Just thinking of basic maths, emotion aside. Also some issues I'll bring up in this post are maybe suited to other 'well worn' threads, lets keep this on TR issues.
He is my reasoning, get an FAA TR for average $10,500 and go to a middleman, buy 500 RHS hours for $20,000. (suited primarilly to FAA qualified European pilots but JAA qualified fATPL pilots can convert for around $4k)
Total cost = approx same as a TR without hours in a JAA state
Benefits
Type Rated in a heavy jet in both FAA/JAA
500 hours under you belt
Can command a better starting salary
Not bonded to anyone/dodgy contracts
Seen a bit of the world
Opens up a whole host of opportunities in many countries
Not getting butt-
by O'Leary
Disadvantages
Paid out approx GBP 20k for something that after forking out 30k+ already is hard to swallow
Paying a ****e/weasel in an office somewhere to allow you to fly for a commerical operation
Starting flying in Europe 9ish months later than you would have if you got a JAA TR and got an all elusive first job with it.
He is my reasoning, get an FAA TR for average $10,500 and go to a middleman, buy 500 RHS hours for $20,000. (suited primarilly to FAA qualified European pilots but JAA qualified fATPL pilots can convert for around $4k)
Total cost = approx same as a TR without hours in a JAA state
Benefits
Type Rated in a heavy jet in both FAA/JAA
500 hours under you belt
Can command a better starting salary
Not bonded to anyone/dodgy contracts
Seen a bit of the world
Opens up a whole host of opportunities in many countries
Not getting butt-
by O'LearyDisadvantages
Paid out approx GBP 20k for something that after forking out 30k+ already is hard to swallow
Paying a ****e/weasel in an office somewhere to allow you to fly for a commerical operation
Starting flying in Europe 9ish months later than you would have if you got a JAA TR and got an all elusive first job with it.
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hi scameron,
It is hard to decide, when it is impossible to be sure if it will work out as we might think optimistically.
10k $ for a TR? and base training (T/O and Landings)?
where are you asured 500 hours in a jet for 20k?
VISA permits to live in the USA?
is it guaranteed? NO.
Do you know more places, emails etc? please I will appreciate any help. If some one is doing this adventure, advise me, perhaps I would do it too.
thanks!
It is hard to decide, when it is impossible to be sure if it will work out as we might think optimistically.
10k $ for a TR? and base training (T/O and Landings)?
where are you asured 500 hours in a jet for 20k?
VISA permits to live in the USA?
is it guaranteed? NO.
Do you know more places, emails etc? please I will appreciate any help. If some one is doing this adventure, advise me, perhaps I would do it too.
thanks!
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Most Europeans applyin for RHS jobs via the middlemen are sent off to Asia so I understand as its hard for the companies in the US to justify to the Immigration service why they are using non-Americans.
There are a number of providers such as Eagle Jet, a search on here under 'scum' will bring up the rest
2nd - I'm not sure if the requirements out here for the TR are the same as in Europe, maybe someone can enlighten us. But the article I posted seemed to allude that there was a flight portion. Maybe the JAA cost covers everything and the US is itemised.
Mate, I'm still 4 months away from doing the TR, all I can advise is do your homework, research on here extensively, take everything with a pinch of salt and go with what your brain tells you, avoid emotion.
There are a number of providers such as Eagle Jet, a search on here under 'scum' will bring up the rest
2nd - I'm not sure if the requirements out here for the TR are the same as in Europe, maybe someone can enlighten us. But the article I posted seemed to allude that there was a flight portion. Maybe the JAA cost covers everything and the US is itemised.
Mate, I'm still 4 months away from doing the TR, all I can advise is do your homework, research on here extensively, take everything with a pinch of salt and go with what your brain tells you, avoid emotion.
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Type Rating- Which one why??
Okay here's the rub.
Have ATPL(frozen) with MCC and no job and have been job hunting for a while. At the moment I am seriously considering getting a type rating from a training school/ academy in order to get a job, as I can't see another way.
What TR provider gives you the best chance of a job at the end?I know CTC ATP are probably the best but unfortunatly I didn't get past stage 3- so no go there, but after them who is the best? Any help much appreciated.
Thanks,
CS.
Have ATPL(frozen) with MCC and no job and have been job hunting for a while. At the moment I am seriously considering getting a type rating from a training school/ academy in order to get a job, as I can't see another way.
What TR provider gives you the best chance of a job at the end?I know CTC ATP are probably the best but unfortunatly I didn't get past stage 3- so no go there, but after them who is the best? Any help much appreciated.
Thanks,
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Which one: None, unless you have a job offer lined up
Why: Because there are better and more productive ways to spend the money than flushing them down the toilet
I know how it feels as most of the ppruners do also, but going this way wont get you anywhere.
Perhaps FI rating, or some travelling around where there are more jobs available, i am sure there are other possibilities, just pointing out the more obvious from my point of view.
Getting a job in a small/medium size company in OPS, i know many cases of people getting in to the RHS of their dreams this way, some get even economic help from the company to complete their flight training and TR.
A TR with no experience is useless, it would be different if you had 1000's hours on jets, but with no experience, it wont get you anywhere near the RHS you are looking for, instead it will get you very near bankrupcy unless you/your family are rich.
Try to get any flying job, keep flying , build a network of contacts within the industry, ETC......, that is much cheaper and much more productive.
Try to stay away from TR+Hours scheemes, the rate of succes of getting a job afterwards is pretty low, that is if you manage to do the flying they promise at all (make a search on Eaglejet and similar outfits and judge by yourself)
Good luck and be patient,don't let anything discourage you, you'll get there
Why: Because there are better and more productive ways to spend the money than flushing them down the toilet
I know how it feels as most of the ppruners do also, but going this way wont get you anywhere.
Perhaps FI rating, or some travelling around where there are more jobs available, i am sure there are other possibilities, just pointing out the more obvious from my point of view.
Getting a job in a small/medium size company in OPS, i know many cases of people getting in to the RHS of their dreams this way, some get even economic help from the company to complete their flight training and TR.
A TR with no experience is useless, it would be different if you had 1000's hours on jets, but with no experience, it wont get you anywhere near the RHS you are looking for, instead it will get you very near bankrupcy unless you/your family are rich.
Try to get any flying job, keep flying , build a network of contacts within the industry, ETC......, that is much cheaper and much more productive.
Try to stay away from TR+Hours scheemes, the rate of succes of getting a job afterwards is pretty low, that is if you manage to do the flying they promise at all (make a search on Eaglejet and similar outfits and judge by yourself)
Good luck and be patient,don't let anything discourage you, you'll get there
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Absolutely right ....
Myself ..i was a CFI (CFII MEI GROUND ) FAA now im at the final portion then i will be JAA rated also ...
im not sitting here ..paying to get a job interview ..i rather go back to flight instruction flying freaking Diamonds then sitting here and be a slave of the comapnies (by the way also my bank thinks that way ,so theres no way to get further money !)
Here in Germany ,it slowly picks up ,but i guess it takes another year till the market is booming ...depends what is happening in IRAN ...if that becomes another Oilcrises..well guys be prepared for some trouble in our Business ...
Im still quite optimistic ..and i rather fly a C172 over Stuttgart for money then sitting on the ground waitng for the BIG BOOM >>>>
Only my opinion ....
Cheers
Myself ..i was a CFI (CFII MEI GROUND ) FAA now im at the final portion then i will be JAA rated also ...
im not sitting here ..paying to get a job interview ..i rather go back to flight instruction flying freaking Diamonds then sitting here and be a slave of the comapnies (by the way also my bank thinks that way ,so theres no way to get further money !)
Here in Germany ,it slowly picks up ,but i guess it takes another year till the market is booming ...depends what is happening in IRAN ...if that becomes another Oilcrises..well guys be prepared for some trouble in our Business ...
Im still quite optimistic ..and i rather fly a C172 over Stuttgart for money then sitting on the ground waitng for the BIG BOOM >>>>
Only my opinion ....
Cheers
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Coq Sportif,
I understand your frustration at having to wait for you first job. So many on here are in the same position as you after waiting years, but seriously think, before spending your money. Imagine waiting for that first job with even more debt, and then facing the prospect of recurrent training. A type rating is only good if you have a job to go to.
As others have said, maybe wait, the market is moving and better now. Look at the benifit of FI rating, but if you are wanting to type rate suggest you look in the back of flight International or perhaps do a search on here.
Either way best of luck
Mr W
I understand your frustration at having to wait for you first job. So many on here are in the same position as you after waiting years, but seriously think, before spending your money. Imagine waiting for that first job with even more debt, and then facing the prospect of recurrent training. A type rating is only good if you have a job to go to.
As others have said, maybe wait, the market is moving and better now. Look at the benifit of FI rating, but if you are wanting to type rate suggest you look in the back of flight International or perhaps do a search on here.
Either way best of luck
Mr W
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Paying for a type-rating with no job guarantee at the end is pure madness! Paying for a type-rating with a job guarantee requires a lot of thought. Do a flight instructors rating instead. About a 5th of the cost, will teach you a lot about aviaition, will build your hours, will turn you into a professional pilot not an on the outside 'civilian' with a licence and most importantly you will start to meet people within the industry!
Good luck!
Good luck!
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Teaching is not something everyone can do. FI ratings are only for you if you feel you can teach. If you can't teach properly and force an FI rating upon yourself you will not be very good at your job. Without disrespecting anyone here, I bet quite a few did their FI ratings in blind faith. I know I couldn't do it*
* it = Getting into and out of a disgusting age old spam can 4-5 times a day, refuelling the thing twice a day and talking all day long!
Just my two cents, the other side of the coin and all that.
* it = Getting into and out of a disgusting age old spam can 4-5 times a day, refuelling the thing twice a day and talking all day long!
Just my two cents, the other side of the coin and all that.
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One sees the anti, can't afford to pay for, SSTR mob out disuading others from, in their opinion, jumping the queue.
A SSTR can only serve to enhance one's chances of an airline job, a definite approach and step in the right direction but unless their is an offer of employment at the end of it then you will be jumping one queue, those against and/or can't afford, to join another queue of those that have already done it and are knocking on the airline doors for a job having not secured a job before or as part of the SSTR.
A SSTR can only serve to enhance one's chances of an airline job, a definite approach and step in the right direction but unless their is an offer of employment at the end of it then you will be jumping one queue, those against and/or can't afford, to join another queue of those that have already done it and are knocking on the airline doors for a job having not secured a job before or as part of the SSTR.
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I fully agree with not to do a type unless you have job lined up afterwards.
You're still pretty young in the buisness. How long have you waited?
Take the time you have now to gain that extra experience that makes you sharper in the end. If you know you are a good teacher and you're good at explaining stuff over and over and over and over agian, perhaps try an FI rating. Or try to get an Ops/dispatch job somewhere. This is good stuff when you end up in the front office.
Or if you can, move around and try to find spot that has a local club that does glider towing or parashute dropping. This will build your confidence level in the cockpit and also lets you get some perspective after you''ve completed your training (I sort of take for granted that you dont have heaps of hours). I had the feeling of being invincible after completed training and after some towing I started to get a slightly more realistic and humble attitude towards flying.
I'm not saying this is what you need and I'm not insinuating anything here, but I know a couple of mates who have gone the same way as me and we all agree on that we needed it.
So basically: Take your time, If you start looking for big jets now, what are you going to do later on? This is the part where things get interesting so make the most of getting all that extra experience that you could miss out on by going directly to the big jets. And if you really want to get a TR, my suggestion is for you to look at the smaller regional types out there. Many of the bigger companies are starting to hire more experienced guys and girls and this leaves vacancies in the smaller operations. Some hot types right now are the Saab 340, F50, ATR, Dash 8 etc but make shure you can at least get a 300 hr line training afterwards, otherwise the type is useless.
Regards and good luck/ LnS
You're still pretty young in the buisness. How long have you waited?
Take the time you have now to gain that extra experience that makes you sharper in the end. If you know you are a good teacher and you're good at explaining stuff over and over and over and over agian, perhaps try an FI rating. Or try to get an Ops/dispatch job somewhere. This is good stuff when you end up in the front office.
Or if you can, move around and try to find spot that has a local club that does glider towing or parashute dropping. This will build your confidence level in the cockpit and also lets you get some perspective after you''ve completed your training (I sort of take for granted that you dont have heaps of hours). I had the feeling of being invincible after completed training and after some towing I started to get a slightly more realistic and humble attitude towards flying.
I'm not saying this is what you need and I'm not insinuating anything here, but I know a couple of mates who have gone the same way as me and we all agree on that we needed it.
So basically: Take your time, If you start looking for big jets now, what are you going to do later on? This is the part where things get interesting so make the most of getting all that extra experience that you could miss out on by going directly to the big jets. And if you really want to get a TR, my suggestion is for you to look at the smaller regional types out there. Many of the bigger companies are starting to hire more experienced guys and girls and this leaves vacancies in the smaller operations. Some hot types right now are the Saab 340, F50, ATR, Dash 8 etc but make shure you can at least get a 300 hr line training afterwards, otherwise the type is useless.
Regards and good luck/ LnS