The never-ending 'Modular vs. Integrated' debate - merged ad nauseam
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The integrated versus modular debate cannot be simplified. At the end of the day, you have to make the decision for yourself. But ask yourself:
1. Can you afford integrated (time and money)?
2. Do you only want to fly a computerised jet when qualified?
3. Would you mature more by doing an integrated or modular course? (For those who just finished school)
4. Would you enjoy training abroad for a foreign licence?
Nobody but yourself can make this decision for you!
1. Can you afford integrated (time and money)?
2. Do you only want to fly a computerised jet when qualified?
3. Would you mature more by doing an integrated or modular course? (For those who just finished school)
4. Would you enjoy training abroad for a foreign licence?
Nobody but yourself can make this decision for you!
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Hi grass strip basher,
No, I didn't factor in the cost of giving up work. Whichever route I take I'm going to do full time, so the timing is equal. I have heard that it is possible to do modular in a year and work at the same time. But I'm told that that is seriously hard work and takes mega-discipline! I'm told that it generally takes much longer.
Maybe I am falling for the marketing talk of the integrated schools, but I've spoken with the cheif pilots from three major UK airlines (not just at the show the other week) and they have told me that they prefer integrated candidates.
No, I didn't factor in the cost of giving up work. Whichever route I take I'm going to do full time, so the timing is equal. I have heard that it is possible to do modular in a year and work at the same time. But I'm told that that is seriously hard work and takes mega-discipline! I'm told that it generally takes much longer.
Maybe I am falling for the marketing talk of the integrated schools, but I've spoken with the cheif pilots from three major UK airlines (not just at the show the other week) and they have told me that they prefer integrated candidates.
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Hello Welliewanger! Got your jacket on?......Only joking!
First off your right lets not get drawn into the Private Schooling debate, I’d be here all night! Unfortunately I seem to have met more than one or two who are extremely arrogant and quite a long way up their own bottoms! However you don’t appear to be one of them!
Your profit loss Idea is interesting and if all the assumptions that you’ve made fall into place then you’re probably not far of the mark. However, I still strongly feel that going the integrated route is a much greater risk (financially).
My previous post was aimed at people who seem to think its ok to go around borrowing 60K+, in your fortunate situation that’s obviously not a problem, but I have to say, if I had 60-70K in my bank account I’m still not sure if I’d go the integrated route! I’d personally rather keep the extra cash as security for other things…. I mean, it would be nice to be able to buy a house one day. If you go integrated and things go tits up, you’re stuck with a mega loan to pay off which will put you well and truly in the Sh#t.
Also, at the end of the day no matter how much money you chuck at it, it’s your personality and aptitude for flying that’s going to get you a job and I strongly believe that if you’ve got that then your eventually come good.
Anyway, this discussion will be going on long after you and me have our licences and like others have said, it’s all down to personal circumstances so I think I’ll stop wasting my time!
First off your right lets not get drawn into the Private Schooling debate, I’d be here all night! Unfortunately I seem to have met more than one or two who are extremely arrogant and quite a long way up their own bottoms! However you don’t appear to be one of them!
Your profit loss Idea is interesting and if all the assumptions that you’ve made fall into place then you’re probably not far of the mark. However, I still strongly feel that going the integrated route is a much greater risk (financially).
My previous post was aimed at people who seem to think its ok to go around borrowing 60K+, in your fortunate situation that’s obviously not a problem, but I have to say, if I had 60-70K in my bank account I’m still not sure if I’d go the integrated route! I’d personally rather keep the extra cash as security for other things…. I mean, it would be nice to be able to buy a house one day. If you go integrated and things go tits up, you’re stuck with a mega loan to pay off which will put you well and truly in the Sh#t.
Also, at the end of the day no matter how much money you chuck at it, it’s your personality and aptitude for flying that’s going to get you a job and I strongly believe that if you’ve got that then your eventually come good.
Anyway, this discussion will be going on long after you and me have our licences and like others have said, it’s all down to personal circumstances so I think I’ll stop wasting my time!
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ATPL or MATPL
I can find many pros and cons on both an ATPL course and a MATPL course but do you think an airline will value more a pilot with an ATPL course?
Maybe it is not the first time this thread has been dealt in this forum but i haven't found anything about this
Maybe it is not the first time this thread has been dealt in this forum but i haven't found anything about this
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Originally Posted by Joseph Paris
I guess he is talking about Modular versus integrated ATPL course...
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Spanishpilot,
This subject has been discussed thoroughly...indeed search machines can hardly cope with this subject...as our friend mentioned above.
If you want my opinion airlines are looking for skills, professionalism and motivation whatever the training method. 95% or so of current airline pilots are modular simply because very little have 100000 euros to spent at once...while training on a full time basis...and without a secured job as First Officer anywhere. However if you are looking for a career as an airline pilot as soon as possible and money is not a problem then go for a reputable integrated course! Through an integrated course usually you get the minimum required training for an ATPL frozen in a short period of time but in a well structured airline orientated way...Airlines tend to like intergrated courses basically because modular training over a long period of time is associated with a big risk of accumulating all sorts of bad habits...in the way you act as a pilot I mean...
Whatever you choose...buena suerte!
This subject has been discussed thoroughly...indeed search machines can hardly cope with this subject...as our friend mentioned above.
If you want my opinion airlines are looking for skills, professionalism and motivation whatever the training method. 95% or so of current airline pilots are modular simply because very little have 100000 euros to spent at once...while training on a full time basis...and without a secured job as First Officer anywhere. However if you are looking for a career as an airline pilot as soon as possible and money is not a problem then go for a reputable integrated course! Through an integrated course usually you get the minimum required training for an ATPL frozen in a short period of time but in a well structured airline orientated way...Airlines tend to like intergrated courses basically because modular training over a long period of time is associated with a big risk of accumulating all sorts of bad habits...in the way you act as a pilot I mean...
Whatever you choose...buena suerte!
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Is this Integrated or Modular?
Hey, i have been looking at BCUC University and they have paired up with Cabair, Cabair does all the training , etc. But you study at University Airline Management and some of the ATPL theory. Well i would say this was Modular but some i have talked to say its integrated, what is it and if its not integrated will this hold me back in anyway?
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I would say it's modular (structured modular) as it quite clearly state that you will get your PPL first and secondly, I don't think Buckingham Uni has the requierd authorisation from CAA to run an integrated course even if it is through Cabair.
I would not have thought modular vs integrated makes a jot of difference but that is a long running argment!
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I would not have thought modular vs integrated makes a jot of difference but that is a long running argment!
Cheers
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When in doubt check the CAA website for a list of FTO's. There are only a few integrated schools - cabair, FTE, Oxford etc. Its also a good thing to do if you are unsure of a school (particularly those overseas) and want to ensure that it has JAA approval.
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It is a structured modular course.
From September this year CABAIR will offer two different combined JAR ATPL(A) / Degree courses.
The first is through Buckinghamshire Chilterns University, with the ATPL groundshool being done either at Cranfield or at Bournemouth.
The second is through Kingston University, with the groundschool being done at Bournemouth.
From September this year CABAIR will offer two different combined JAR ATPL(A) / Degree courses.
The first is through Buckinghamshire Chilterns University, with the ATPL groundshool being done either at Cranfield or at Bournemouth.
The second is through Kingston University, with the groundschool being done at Bournemouth.
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Thanks for the replys, What are the downsides to Modular though? Am i going to find it harder to get a job doing a Modular course at Uni or going the integrated route?
"From September this year CABAIR will offer two different combined JAR ATPL(A) / Degree courses."
Actually it's 3, Cabair have been a training provider for City University's BSc (Hons) in Air Transport Operations for a good number of years now.
Actually it's 3, Cabair have been a training provider for City University's BSc (Hons) in Air Transport Operations for a good number of years now.
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No Uni is free no more, the LEA used to pay for it but now they lend you the money, its £3500 for year one and i think it increases each year but they havn't said how much by. I would much rather get right into it and go on an integrated course, but what one and is it the right thing?
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Don't be overly seduced by these specialist airline degrees. Yes I can see the merits of getting your ATPL's whilst combining it with a degree but don't lose sight of the fact that these are relatively new types of qualifications. Think about what sort of position this qualification will get you in an airline (if that is your aim). Clearly it won't get you in as an accountant or lawyer. Management cadet? Well maybe but you might well be up against people with economics or specialist management degrees from the more mainstream universities such as Oxbridge, Bath Bristol etc. I would question how highly these degrees are held by the airlines.
Ask the universities themselves for details of where the past students are now and try to find some forums and post questions and see what comes up.
If the sole aim is to get the ATPL's out of the way and go modular then you might consider doing a professional degree at a recognised university, earning a decent crust when you graduate and studying the ATPL ground school exams along the way. That way you have a career (and income stream) to fall back on when you are fully qualified on the flying side and looking for work.
The ATPL's are one of the cheaper parts of the overall flying course per se so don't do an entire degree just to save a few thousand quid.
Ask the universities themselves for details of where the past students are now and try to find some forums and post questions and see what comes up.
If the sole aim is to get the ATPL's out of the way and go modular then you might consider doing a professional degree at a recognised university, earning a decent crust when you graduate and studying the ATPL ground school exams along the way. That way you have a career (and income stream) to fall back on when you are fully qualified on the flying side and looking for work.
The ATPL's are one of the cheaper parts of the overall flying course per se so don't do an entire degree just to save a few thousand quid.
"at a recognised university" !!
Does this mean that the Universities mentioned above are not recognised as such?
BTW, the course at City offers the choice of Integrated or Modular ATPL training within it.
Also City was the first institution in the UK to teach aeronautics (1909) so they know a thing or two about the subject!
Does this mean that the Universities mentioned above are not recognised as such?
BTW, the course at City offers the choice of Integrated or Modular ATPL training within it.
Also City was the first institution in the UK to teach aeronautics (1909) so they know a thing or two about the subject!