The never-ending 'Modular vs. Integrated' debate - merged ad nauseam
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Originally Posted by Felix Saddler
Im still pondering whether or not to go modular 
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so would you reccomend modular or integrated. if i went integrated i would be quitting my job getting a loan and quallifing in about 12 months. if i went modular i would be funding it as i earned over approx a 2 year period. what are the obvious advs and disadvs of each that i am missing
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If integrated suits you (and you can "safely" afford it) then go for it. I know alot of guys (and gals
) who have got airline jobs in the last 6 months most of them were modular, 200 hours TT and didn’t instruct.
) who have got airline jobs in the last 6 months most of them were modular, 200 hours TT and didn’t instruct.
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TT = Total Time = The total amount of flight hours you've done in your whole career (command and duel). Most modular students finish thier training with just over 200 hours (150 for integrated) because thats the absolute minimum you must have to apply for your commercial licence.
I know people who have trained all over the place (and world) but quite a few are friends I flew and studied with at Bristol Flying Centre and CATS (ATPL groundschool). I would highly recommend both of these establishments.
Unfortunatly I've seen some of the muppets who like to masqurade themselves as modular professional flght training schools. So I can understand why "some" airlines have a preference for integrated students. The HR departments of the airlines who prefer those courses know exactly what standards and procedures the students have been tought.
And where did they train?
Unfortunatly I've seen some of the muppets who like to masqurade themselves as modular professional flght training schools. So I can understand why "some" airlines have a preference for integrated students. The HR departments of the airlines who prefer those courses know exactly what standards and procedures the students have been tought.
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im confused, what should i do.
hi. i cant decide if i should do modular or integrated. i dont want to start off another 1 of those debates but would like to hear from people who have gone down either of these roads from a similar financial situation as myself and if you are pleased with your decision and path to the skies.
i am an aircraft engineer (line), doing A320 transits, earning a decent wage. i get a considerable amount of holdiays each year (up to 2 months). this time off work would suit me to do my ppl and then an hours build etc etc, all while studying the atpl ground school in my evening and weekends. i would predict zero to fATPL in approx 15 months while still earning at a max total cost of 28,000 euro with no loans.
or in 12 months time i would be in position to leave my secure job and get a loan of about 25,000 euro and use my saving for the rest and do my training in greece for under 60,000 euro and have no administration headaches myself, just concentrate on training.
is there anyone out there who had to mae this decision from a similar position as myself. advise and comments most welcome.
aviator..
i am an aircraft engineer (line), doing A320 transits, earning a decent wage. i get a considerable amount of holdiays each year (up to 2 months). this time off work would suit me to do my ppl and then an hours build etc etc, all while studying the atpl ground school in my evening and weekends. i would predict zero to fATPL in approx 15 months while still earning at a max total cost of 28,000 euro with no loans.
or in 12 months time i would be in position to leave my secure job and get a loan of about 25,000 euro and use my saving for the rest and do my training in greece for under 60,000 euro and have no administration headaches myself, just concentrate on training.
is there anyone out there who had to mae this decision from a similar position as myself. advise and comments most welcome.
aviator..
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Loving it. 
Have you looked into modular or integrated routes at all?
Modular costs less (can be full time or part time) (£30-40k ish), enables you to do different ratings where you want, where as Integrated is full time, costs nearly twice (£70k-80k ish) as much and gives you the same qualifications in possibly a shorter space of time (depending if you were to do the modular full time).
You would quite likely gain more hours of experience doing modular.
If money isn't your concern, nor full time study, do Integrated.
You will obtain the same qualifications, but a higher "possible" (so airlines say) chance of a job at the end if doing Integrated, but again not guranteed.
The decision is yours......
... That's basically summarising the whole lot.
Do a search, you will find LOTS of info on these types of training.
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If you quit your job, would it be easy to pick it up again? If you are not earning, you may find yourself in a situation needing more money to get that extra vital rating. Similarly, your job whilst providing an income at least during the ground theory D/L stage may be holding (or stressing) you back both mentally and physically in which case studying may be difficult.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649 is a golden thread to churn through.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649 is a golden thread to churn through.
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my job is not stressful, its a doddle and i have ample free time during my shift for distance learning studying, if i quit i would not get my job back, ever, but i would get other work or contract work, i have type ratings as an engineer so work is not a problem. i think i will give modular a go al least for the ppl anyways..
who said anything about screaming, im not screaming, im talking!!!!
who said anything about screaming, im not screaming, im talking!!!!
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Hello Mate,
Only yourself will know what option best suits but personally if you have a well paid job then I would just continue to work away and pay as you go. Not having a considerable loan amount on your shoulders after qualification would be a large benefit and stress free for you.
Remember, modular or integrated - both get you the same license, it depends how much you believe what the integrated PR departments says and if that justifys the extra expense.
Good luck and keep us posted on what you choose to do! :-)
Only yourself will know what option best suits but personally if you have a well paid job then I would just continue to work away and pay as you go. Not having a considerable loan amount on your shoulders after qualification would be a large benefit and stress free for you.
Remember, modular or integrated - both get you the same license, it depends how much you believe what the integrated PR departments says and if that justifys the extra expense.
Good luck and keep us posted on what you choose to do! :-)
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i can do my ground school here in ireland for approx 3,500 euro which includes all 14 exams and 2 two week sints in class pre exams and text books etc.
does anyone know if it is possible to use notes that you aquire privately, eg ebay, and to just apply for the exams as you please??!!
like i mean once you pass all 14 its the same thing right wheather you pay through the nose for the material or not is your own business.. well thats the way it is with the jaa exams for mechanics......
does anyone know if it is possible to use notes that you aquire privately, eg ebay, and to just apply for the exams as you please??!!
like i mean once you pass all 14 its the same thing right wheather you pay through the nose for the material or not is your own business.. well thats the way it is with the jaa exams for mechanics...
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I'm in the same boat mate but think i've made my mind up on modular so to keep working. If you go integrated you'll be 60k down at least then your loss of earnings for 18 months so it adds up
. I've also got the books off e-bay 
so im learning now and it will be easier when it comes to the school side of things (hopefully). Save ya money for a type rating then live the dream.
Good luck man
. I've also got the books off e-bay so im learning now and it will be easier when it comes to the school side of things (hopefully). Save ya money for a type rating then live the dream.Good luck man