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Excuse me Bodie if I've offended you but this wasn't my intention... What I wanted to state is even I know that PPrune is mainly for UK people, I am surprise due to all people is mainly concentrated in a couple of FTO's without giving any chance outside ... and for wannabes studing outside sometime means no consideration, but again excuse me !
In the other hand you are right: at the end of the day it doesn't matter where did you get the License if you are enough good and if not if you have enough flight hours ...
By the way: for sure I speak better English than you Dutch or even Spanish, but this is a big advantage that we have ...
Cheers
Dennisb
In the other hand you are right: at the end of the day it doesn't matter where did you get the License if you are enough good and if not if you have enough flight hours ...
By the way: for sure I speak better English than you Dutch or even Spanish, but this is a big advantage that we have ...
Cheers
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Let me tell you the point of view of an spaniard
If i were you i would go for Adventia www.adventia.org they have more experience in teaching in English and the Chief Ground Instructor is a Brit. Talk to them. They are the best no doubt
Second choice Airmed they have been teaching in English for a whileand iit is on the coast you guarantee good weather.
Last one Aeromadrid, they just started in English and it will be a while until they have the right team.
If i were you i would go for Adventia www.adventia.org they have more experience in teaching in English and the Chief Ground Instructor is a Brit. Talk to them. They are the best no doubt
Second choice Airmed they have been teaching in English for a whileand iit is on the coast you guarantee good weather.
Last one Aeromadrid, they just started in English and it will be a while until they have the right team.
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Train in Spain... I like this idea... Just been browsing Adventia's website -- love the translations ("Day of Open Doors", "detecting non-conformities") -- gave me a few questions about how foreign training would work though...
Does your initial Class 1 medical need to done in Spain, or is a UK class 1 fine? And can you end up with a UK JAR licence or must it be a Spanish JAR one? Not that it should matter really I guess, except your medical is supposed to match, right? (and if it's a Spanish class 1 can it be renewed in the UK?)
And I would have thought though that perhaps the Spanish CAA set their ATPL exams in Spanish rather than English?
Does your initial Class 1 medical need to done in Spain, or is a UK class 1 fine? And can you end up with a UK JAR licence or must it be a Spanish JAR one? Not that it should matter really I guess, except your medical is supposed to match, right? (and if it's a Spanish class 1 can it be renewed in the UK?)
And I would have thought though that perhaps the Spanish CAA set their ATPL exams in Spanish rather than English?
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I am very surprised reading that Adventia is the best option in Spain: hearing people from there and the time and money spent there, it seems not so good option, even good people working there. It is the old public school and the Spanish reputation is not very good, but toro01 if you are Spanish perhaps you know more than me 
Before coming to Spain, my father asked to his bank financial information from Airmed and Adventia (AeroMadrid wasn't an option at that time) and this is also a good point of information...
The Initial Medical Class 1 must be done in Spain or to ask a convalidation from the foreign one (we have passed it here in Spain - it is cheaper ) but the renewal can be done in any JAR country.
The exams are in English language but not for the Spanish students who have to pass also an English language exam for getting the IR !!!
In Airmed we have a very nice simulator for MCC : Airbus 320 and in AeroMadrid they have the same but also for TR, both wth six axes motion. I do not know what simulator is using Adventia because for me never was an option... perhasp toro01 could help ?
Take a look at :
www.airmed.es
www.aeromadrid.com
Thanks bodie for your nice replay.
Dennisb
I forgot to tell toro01 that people in Airmed said that they started at least one year before Adventia teaching in English for foreing students, and that Adventia mainly have Spanish students learning in English ... so Adventia is no more experienced FTO !
By the way what happened with the A340 in Salamanca piloted by the Adventia Director - I have read (with some colleagues help) in the Spanish Forum - ? Is it true ?
Dennisb
Before coming to Spain, my father asked to his bank financial information from Airmed and Adventia (AeroMadrid wasn't an option at that time) and this is also a good point of information...
The Initial Medical Class 1 must be done in Spain or to ask a convalidation from the foreign one (we have passed it here in Spain - it is cheaper ) but the renewal can be done in any JAR country.
The exams are in English language but not for the Spanish students who have to pass also an English language exam for getting the IR !!!
In Airmed we have a very nice simulator for MCC : Airbus 320 and in AeroMadrid they have the same but also for TR, both wth six axes motion. I do not know what simulator is using Adventia because for me never was an option... perhasp toro01 could help ?
Take a look at :
www.airmed.es
www.aeromadrid.com
Thanks bodie for your nice replay.
Dennisb
I forgot to tell toro01 that people in Airmed said that they started at least one year before Adventia teaching in English for foreing students, and that Adventia mainly have Spanish students learning in English ... so Adventia is no more experienced FTO !
By the way what happened with the A340 in Salamanca piloted by the Adventia Director - I have read (with some colleagues help) in the Spanish Forum - ? Is it true ?
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Rain or Spain
I would take the Rain. And the fog...
Try ringing Multiflight at Leeds, you get treated like a person there as well which is an added bonus! Groundschool with Bristol will get you through the tough bits and the Hawker sim at Jerez is for MCC only, handy if you are thinking about applying to an airline which flies them.
Try ringing Multiflight at Leeds, you get treated like a person there as well which is an added bonus! Groundschool with Bristol will get you through the tough bits and the Hawker sim at Jerez is for MCC only, handy if you are thinking about applying to an airline which flies them.
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Finished my training at Airmed and was happy with the result. Airlines are not at all looking where you did your training, it does not matter to them, the only thing they want to see is a good simulator ride and aptitude tests.
Spain is a wonderful country to fly in.
Be careful about Aeromadrid. They are based at Quatro-vientos which is by far the most dangerous field in Spain!!!(way too much planes and students wh speak ONLY spanish...) Plus, Quatro vientos is not IFR equipped.
Adventia is a good choice too, nice and modern planes and good quality instruction. The problem is that there aren't a lot of big airports around the corner, as we had in Valencia (Airmed).
Bae Jerez is of course excellent, no doubt about that, but you pay a lot too...
Anyway, I would opt for Bae or Airmed. Why? Well, both Valencia and Jerez are International Airports, I did my first solo amidst Lufthansa,Iberia,Sabena, Alitalia taking off or landing...!!! I flew regulary to Barcelona El Prat with a P28R, did Malaga, was number 37 for landing at Palma (but got a straight in as number one!!), Flew to Sevilla with the Cessna at FL105 surrounded by the most beautiful mountains, hopped to Ibiza and buzzed the beach and did a missed approach in Bilbao due to couds below minima... (so far for the "only fair-weather trainig").
Compare that to the UK...!!
Oh and the best part still has to come... Sangria and Patatas Bravas!!
cheerio!
Spain is a wonderful country to fly in.
Be careful about Aeromadrid. They are based at Quatro-vientos which is by far the most dangerous field in Spain!!!(way too much planes and students wh speak ONLY spanish...) Plus, Quatro vientos is not IFR equipped.
Adventia is a good choice too, nice and modern planes and good quality instruction. The problem is that there aren't a lot of big airports around the corner, as we had in Valencia (Airmed).
Bae Jerez is of course excellent, no doubt about that, but you pay a lot too...
Anyway, I would opt for Bae or Airmed. Why? Well, both Valencia and Jerez are International Airports, I did my first solo amidst Lufthansa,Iberia,Sabena, Alitalia taking off or landing...!!! I flew regulary to Barcelona El Prat with a P28R, did Malaga, was number 37 for landing at Palma (but got a straight in as number one!!), Flew to Sevilla with the Cessna at FL105 surrounded by the most beautiful mountains, hopped to Ibiza and buzzed the beach and did a missed approach in Bilbao due to couds below minima... (so far for the "only fair-weather trainig").
Compare that to the UK...!!
Oh and the best part still has to come... Sangria and Patatas Bravas!!
cheerio!
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Hi Justin,
I'm a relatively new addition to Jerez. Hopefully about to knock phase 1 on the head next week.
Bodie is absolutely on the money regarding the MCC and simulator used. Both Oxford and WMU make a big thing about their 737 sim but in reality the MCC has very little to do with actually handling the jet used. The MCC really is regarded as a very small part and dare I say insignificant part of the fATPL.
Airline recognition wise, BAe appears to be in as good a position as the other large FTO's. Good number of airlines have used the college.
Age wise you are well inside the envelope. There is a lot of late 20's to early 30's blokes here from the UK and Ireland. And one or two early 40's too.
I think you'll find the CAA list the 4 FTO's as the only suppliers of the ab-initio integrated course. Good few others should be listed
as supplying modular too.
Weather wise it's been excellent so far apart from the fact it's absolutely cacked it down for most of November. But I suppose it has to rain sometime even in Spain. Otherwise odd spot of morning fog screws things up occassionally but it seems to work out OK in the end as people do appear to graduate on schedule.
I'm a relatively new addition to Jerez. Hopefully about to knock phase 1 on the head next week.
Bodie is absolutely on the money regarding the MCC and simulator used. Both Oxford and WMU make a big thing about their 737 sim but in reality the MCC has very little to do with actually handling the jet used. The MCC really is regarded as a very small part and dare I say insignificant part of the fATPL.
Airline recognition wise, BAe appears to be in as good a position as the other large FTO's. Good number of airlines have used the college.
Age wise you are well inside the envelope. There is a lot of late 20's to early 30's blokes here from the UK and Ireland. And one or two early 40's too.
I think you'll find the CAA list the 4 FTO's as the only suppliers of the ab-initio integrated course. Good few others should be listed
as supplying modular too.
Weather wise it's been excellent so far apart from the fact it's absolutely cacked it down for most of November. But I suppose it has to rain sometime even in Spain. Otherwise odd spot of morning fog screws things up occassionally but it seems to work out OK in the end as people do appear to graduate on schedule.
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Just a couple of points
Vicar of Dibley, the Hawker 800 sim at Jerez is not just MCC only, it is used by MyTravel and BA for jet orientation and having completed the JOC at Jerez, MyTravel cadets have so far completed the A320 rating "without touching the sides" and have fared better in some cases than DEP's with considerably more experience.
Although it doesn't matter where you did your training in terms of getting a licence, you are likely to be viewed more favourably by an airline if you did your training somewhere other airlines have used. Not being snobbish - just basic psychology.
And also, Jerez is a great laugh it's got to be said.
Vicar of Dibley, the Hawker 800 sim at Jerez is not just MCC only, it is used by MyTravel and BA for jet orientation and having completed the JOC at Jerez, MyTravel cadets have so far completed the A320 rating "without touching the sides" and have fared better in some cases than DEP's with considerably more experience.
Although it doesn't matter where you did your training in terms of getting a licence, you are likely to be viewed more favourably by an airline if you did your training somewhere other airlines have used. Not being snobbish - just basic psychology.
And also, Jerez is a great laugh it's got to be said.
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Whatever you do, never do the MCC/LOFT on a turboprop sim... The airlines will just laugh at you.
I did 40h MCC on the A320sim and I saw in those 40h almost 80% of the type rating! Training was done by the Iberia Type rating instructors/examiners.
I did 40h MCC on the A320sim and I saw in those 40h almost 80% of the type rating! Training was done by the Iberia Type rating instructors/examiners.
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AeroMadrid cant be all bad - can it?
I am looking into training at AeroMadrid but have been put off somewhat by the negative comments about it - dangerous, no IFR etc..
Does anyone know anything good about the school?
Cheers
I guess if I had to choose between Airmed and AeroMadrid, Airmed would probably be the better choice? English course has run for longer and the prices are much the same.
Do Airmed students have good job prospects?
Fergus
Having said that I am still impressed with AeroMadrid. Ignacio is very helpful but these doubts are worrying.
F
Does anyone know anything good about the school?
Cheers
I guess if I had to choose between Airmed and AeroMadrid, Airmed would probably be the better choice? English course has run for longer and the prices are much the same.
Do Airmed students have good job prospects?
Fergus
Having said that I am still impressed with AeroMadrid. Ignacio is very helpful but these doubts are worrying.
F
STOP BEING IMPRESSED BY THE SIM!!!
The Sims for MCC are irrelevant. I'd use an upturned orange crate with dials chalked on if the CAA would license it.
You should be asking about student to aircraft ratios. They are critical to your chances of finishing the course on time, on budget and with good continuity.
You should be asking about averaged instructor experience. Does the average instructor have 500hrs instructional 1,000hrs, or 5,000+hrs. That is going to make a heck of a lot more difference to the quality of your training than whether or not the simulator is a fake Boeing or an obscure old bizjet.
Is the accomodation quiet and air conditioned? How many are in each groundschool class? How up to date is the CBT material? What ratio of flying students to examiners is there? What percentage of flying days are unflyable due weather? Does the airfield have any odd restrictions on training during peak times/months?
All these questions and more are far far more pertinent than the fact Big Airways may have sent cadets to use the shiny sim there sometime in the last decade.
WWW
The Sims for MCC are irrelevant. I'd use an upturned orange crate with dials chalked on if the CAA would license it.
You should be asking about student to aircraft ratios. They are critical to your chances of finishing the course on time, on budget and with good continuity.
You should be asking about averaged instructor experience. Does the average instructor have 500hrs instructional 1,000hrs, or 5,000+hrs. That is going to make a heck of a lot more difference to the quality of your training than whether or not the simulator is a fake Boeing or an obscure old bizjet.
Is the accomodation quiet and air conditioned? How many are in each groundschool class? How up to date is the CBT material? What ratio of flying students to examiners is there? What percentage of flying days are unflyable due weather? Does the airfield have any odd restrictions on training during peak times/months?
All these questions and more are far far more pertinent than the fact Big Airways may have sent cadets to use the shiny sim there sometime in the last decade.
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Hello there 
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First of all - I'll have to comply with what the WWW man is writing - the future employer really don't care where and how you got your license - not a presumption, but what I have heard from numerous pilots ...
It's the reputation, environment and fascilitation of the FTO AND the small things in the daily live that should decide your choice of FTO, because YOU are gonna be the 365/24/7 the next 2 years ...
Don't pay that much attention to what MCC simulator you will be using - it's "only" MCC course, not a simulator for Type Rating - the Airliners really don't care that much what MCC simulator you used ...
A few answers to this topic:
1.: No, at Airmed there are students that has Spanish or their own national medical and that is accepted - so far, because it is in conflict with the JAA regulations having a foreign initial medical certificate in another JAA country where the education is taken place ..
2.: If your own country has exchanged "Letter of Mutual Recognition" with Spain on JAR-FCL 1 (fixed wing certificate) and JAR-FCL 3 medical certificate) and no restrictions is done to that, there will only be a fee charged for the change - you do have to stay at least 180 days in your country before the exchange can be taken place and when you obtain your own country certificate, the Spanish one will be cancelled - you can only hold one certificate within JAA ..
3.: The official CAA exams in Spain are also done in English ..
4.: When I made my survey back in September last year, I didn't not come by Adventia - never heart about them before - so I suppose their reputation is unknown in the Business ..
5.: I went to another FTO visiting them back then downhere, Aerofan - asking them what nationalities there where in the English classes - it was Spanish students and the next class would be Italian students - think of that, think of what kind of language would be used in the ground school - Spanglish it is
..
In International classed, it has to be from different nationalities so English is forced to be used for communication - not just 1 or 2 nationalities ..
6.: About the weather downhere - ha ha - not THAT nice as you might think - Airmed state it is 328 days of sunshine (I think), that is exaggerated - if it has to be true, from now on and to February next year it has to be ALL sunshine every day - and I just love the Spanish geography - everytime I fly I enjoy having the view to the ocean, mini small fields usually with trees on, mountains, cities at the same time - there is mountains surrounding Valencia all the way around, only the beach is clear of that, more less. And during Engine Failure exercises, you really need to know what you can use around Valencia for emergency landing because you don't get further oppertunities - no nice big fields from big farmers, usually they are with trees on or flotted with rice - like to the south there are special fields for ex. emergency landings because otherwise you would be kind of fu.... - sorry my French
..
The other day, had so much turbulence that I never experienced before, even in Gliders - should have had a helmet on that day ..
As a former gliderpilot I'm bit used to fly in Denmark - so so so boring geography compared to this place ..
And fog - got quite a lot of that from time to time - on only 13 flights I've had 1 flight cancelled and nearly 3 due to bad weather conditions (fog, low skyes, poor visibility etc.) ..
So to say that flying in Spain is easy and just sunshine - njaahhh - it's fun and challenging is my words ..
And I will agree with Despegue - also satisfied so far with the place, with Airmed, Valencia Airport with its fascilities (the controllers speak quite good English) ..
If you wanna se pictures from the place, look at my class website - www.airmedpilots.com - there is a Gallery ...
..First of all - I'll have to comply with what the WWW man is writing - the future employer really don't care where and how you got your license - not a presumption, but what I have heard from numerous pilots ...
It's the reputation, environment and fascilitation of the FTO AND the small things in the daily live that should decide your choice of FTO, because YOU are gonna be the 365/24/7 the next 2 years ...
Don't pay that much attention to what MCC simulator you will be using - it's "only" MCC course, not a simulator for Type Rating - the Airliners really don't care that much what MCC simulator you used ...
A few answers to this topic:
1.: No, at Airmed there are students that has Spanish or their own national medical and that is accepted - so far, because it is in conflict with the JAA regulations having a foreign initial medical certificate in another JAA country where the education is taken place ..
2.: If your own country has exchanged "Letter of Mutual Recognition" with Spain on JAR-FCL 1 (fixed wing certificate) and JAR-FCL 3 medical certificate) and no restrictions is done to that, there will only be a fee charged for the change - you do have to stay at least 180 days in your country before the exchange can be taken place and when you obtain your own country certificate, the Spanish one will be cancelled - you can only hold one certificate within JAA ..
3.: The official CAA exams in Spain are also done in English ..
4.: When I made my survey back in September last year, I didn't not come by Adventia - never heart about them before - so I suppose their reputation is unknown in the Business ..
5.: I went to another FTO visiting them back then downhere, Aerofan - asking them what nationalities there where in the English classes - it was Spanish students and the next class would be Italian students - think of that, think of what kind of language would be used in the ground school - Spanglish it is
..In International classed, it has to be from different nationalities so English is forced to be used for communication - not just 1 or 2 nationalities ..
6.: About the weather downhere - ha ha - not THAT nice as you might think - Airmed state it is 328 days of sunshine (I think), that is exaggerated - if it has to be true, from now on and to February next year it has to be ALL sunshine every day - and I just love the Spanish geography - everytime I fly I enjoy having the view to the ocean, mini small fields usually with trees on, mountains, cities at the same time - there is mountains surrounding Valencia all the way around, only the beach is clear of that, more less. And during Engine Failure exercises, you really need to know what you can use around Valencia for emergency landing because you don't get further oppertunities - no nice big fields from big farmers, usually they are with trees on or flotted with rice - like to the south there are special fields for ex. emergency landings because otherwise you would be kind of fu.... - sorry my French
..The other day, had so much turbulence that I never experienced before, even in Gliders - should have had a helmet on that day
..As a former gliderpilot I'm bit used to fly in Denmark - so so so boring geography compared to this place ..
And fog - got quite a lot of that from time to time - on only 13 flights I've had 1 flight cancelled and nearly 3 due to bad weather conditions (fog, low skyes, poor visibility etc.) ..
So to say that flying in Spain is easy and just sunshine - njaahhh - it's fun and challenging is my words ..
And I will agree with Despegue - also satisfied so far with the place, with Airmed, Valencia Airport with its fascilities (the controllers speak quite good English) ..
If you wanna se pictures from the place, look at my class website - www.airmedpilots.com - there is a Gallery ...
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Whilst the airlines may not care what FNPT II (MCC) device was used to get your MCC certificate, you might!
A jet FNPT II (sim) will stretch you more than a turbo prop will and so will test your capacity more. That stretching of your capacity is part of what the MCC is about - forcing you to prioritise your task load and operate in accordance with the SOP to get the job done under demanding circumstances.
If you then do a selection ride, the extra speed of the jet will help - if the sim ride is done on a jet sim then you are already up to speed and if the sim ride is done on a turboprop you have capacity to spare (as a friend of mine has just found out on his Flybe selection).
As for 737 vs Hawker800 vs any other jet, what matters is how it is operated rather than what it is. ATP at Southampton used to have a Caravelle (how many of those do you see these days?) but it did not matter. Flown to an airline SOP and the appropriate flight profiles the end result is the same.
BA, MYTravel, Britannia and others for whom we do training that goes beyond the basic MCC require a jet - and they don't really care what sort. The handling and operating skills that the extended courses (Jet Orientation Course etc.) give the trainees really does smooth their path on the type rating. TJV is spot on with the MYTravel feedback, by the way.
In my opinion - don't worry about whether or not it is a 737 or Hawker, as long as it is a jet FNPT II then you will be better placed. More important than that is to try to do some extra above and beyond the MCC - which can do little more than give you the very briefest into to airline flying. Use that extra FNPT II (MCC) time to get your multi crew skills up to a level where they are second nature as THIS, more than anything else you do on the whole ATPL course, will ease your transition to A320/B737/ATR42/Dash 8 etc.
WWW makes some bvery good points about the other facilities - and remember, there is no law that says you have to do groundschool, flying and MCC at the same place.
A jet FNPT II (sim) will stretch you more than a turbo prop will and so will test your capacity more. That stretching of your capacity is part of what the MCC is about - forcing you to prioritise your task load and operate in accordance with the SOP to get the job done under demanding circumstances.
If you then do a selection ride, the extra speed of the jet will help - if the sim ride is done on a jet sim then you are already up to speed and if the sim ride is done on a turboprop you have capacity to spare (as a friend of mine has just found out on his Flybe selection).
As for 737 vs Hawker800 vs any other jet, what matters is how it is operated rather than what it is. ATP at Southampton used to have a Caravelle (how many of those do you see these days?) but it did not matter. Flown to an airline SOP and the appropriate flight profiles the end result is the same.
BA, MYTravel, Britannia and others for whom we do training that goes beyond the basic MCC require a jet - and they don't really care what sort. The handling and operating skills that the extended courses (Jet Orientation Course etc.) give the trainees really does smooth their path on the type rating. TJV is spot on with the MYTravel feedback, by the way.
In my opinion - don't worry about whether or not it is a 737 or Hawker, as long as it is a jet FNPT II then you will be better placed. More important than that is to try to do some extra above and beyond the MCC - which can do little more than give you the very briefest into to airline flying. Use that extra FNPT II (MCC) time to get your multi crew skills up to a level where they are second nature as THIS, more than anything else you do on the whole ATPL course, will ease your transition to A320/B737/ATR42/Dash 8 etc.
WWW makes some bvery good points about the other facilities - and remember, there is no law that says you have to do groundschool, flying and MCC at the same place.
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I am an ex-student from Airmed. At the moment I am busy with an instructor course at Aeromadrid. I would everybody advise to go and have a look at these schools. They have a lot to offer for a very good price.
I personally would advise Aeromadrid because they have very good ground instructors (mostly all from the university of Madrid or for specific subject Iberia captains) and a very good airplanes/simulators. They are much better equiped then Airmed with material and people. Also they have much more experience in teaching, they are therefore also the oldest flying school in Spain.
Despegue.......about the Airbus 320 at Airmed, it is not a simulator but a FNPT2 procedure trainer, you canīt compare that with a Airbus 320 Full Flight Simulator that Aeromadrid has. Also I can see that you have never been at Quatro Vientos. It is a perfectly safe airport with good facilities. Ok, it is only VFR equiped, but nearby you have VORīs and NDBīs and of course other IFR airports you can fly to, so perfect for the initial IFR training. The biggest part of the IFR/ME training is done on Valencia to complete the training.
Also Aeromadrid is now investing a lot of money in simulators. I have just flown 5 hours on their new FNPT2 trainer (costs 1,5 milion euros) and I have to say that I was impressed. Also my colleagues from the SAS academy that are in my class, where impressed about the simulator. It had very nice handling caracteristics and very good visuals.
For everybody that is interested in following flight training in Spain and has some questions, you can always contact me on my email: [email protected].
With kind regards,
Theo
I personally would advise Aeromadrid because they have very good ground instructors (mostly all from the university of Madrid or for specific subject Iberia captains) and a very good airplanes/simulators. They are much better equiped then Airmed with material and people. Also they have much more experience in teaching, they are therefore also the oldest flying school in Spain.
Despegue.......about the Airbus 320 at Airmed, it is not a simulator but a FNPT2 procedure trainer, you canīt compare that with a Airbus 320 Full Flight Simulator that Aeromadrid has. Also I can see that you have never been at Quatro Vientos. It is a perfectly safe airport with good facilities. Ok, it is only VFR equiped, but nearby you have VORīs and NDBīs and of course other IFR airports you can fly to, so perfect for the initial IFR training. The biggest part of the IFR/ME training is done on Valencia to complete the training.
Also Aeromadrid is now investing a lot of money in simulators. I have just flown 5 hours on their new FNPT2 trainer (costs 1,5 milion euros) and I have to say that I was impressed. Also my colleagues from the SAS academy that are in my class, where impressed about the simulator. It had very nice handling caracteristics and very good visuals.
For everybody that is interested in following flight training in Spain and has some questions, you can always contact me on my email: [email protected].
With kind regards,
Theo
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EC-HIE, (that plane is now sold by the way...)
Have you ever flown in the Airmed Sim? I did 40h on it, and then flew some hours on a "Level D" one. Exactly the same. Only thing missing on the Airmed sim is Alternate and Direct law.
Teachers at Airmed for the English courses include some native Brits, including the former Nav. teacher for the RAF.
I would say, go for either of both, Airmed or Aeromadrid but in any case:
Train in Spain!
Despegue
ps. Theo, it seems that you are now working for AEM and mr. Cabrera?!
Have you ever flown in the Airmed Sim? I did 40h on it, and then flew some hours on a "Level D" one. Exactly the same. Only thing missing on the Airmed sim is Alternate and Direct law.
Teachers at Airmed for the English courses include some native Brits, including the former Nav. teacher for the RAF.
I would say, go for either of both, Airmed or Aeromadrid but in any case:
Train in Spain!
Despegue
ps. Theo, it seems that you are now working for AEM and mr. Cabrera?!
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Despegue, I am sorry but also me who has never flown the planes myself but who has seem both of the simulators operating could see easy the diffrence between them. The way they are build etc. Remember that a Full Flight Simulator is the one requiered by the JAA to do your typerating in and not a FNPT2. It surprise me that you say that they are the same, for me their was no comparisation between them, except that they are both used to do the MCC course in.
I am still in training at Aeromadrid. If I am going to work there? I hope it because it is a fabulous school! And you.....if I am correct you are working for Airmed as an agent. Or you stopped with that already?
Saluutjes,
Theo
I am still in training at Aeromadrid. If I am going to work there? I hope it because it is a fabulous school! And you.....if I am correct you are working for Airmed as an agent. Or you stopped with that already?
Saluutjes,
Theo
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WWW - don't agree with you about the sim. There are two ways to regard MCC; either as an (increasingly mandatory) add-on to one's ME/IR, just a course completion certificate (what you seem to recommend), or as an extra experience whereby on top of learning crew SOPs, you get exposure to full-motion, jet ops (with the necessary anticipation on your part), and advanced systems such as AFDS, A/THR, MCDU, EFIS etc. Plus, some of your time on MCC will actually be LOFT.
I still believe it's better to have sampled a jet sim if and when you get the chance of an airline sim assessment (do you know many airlines that will check your skills on a B-200 fixed-base sim?) and/or for the start to a type-rating on anything remotely modern (i.e EFIS-equipped).
I chose a jet sim for my MCC (on the advice of an airline recruitment captain), it cost me Ģ800 more, but it was worth every penny. It's true that the airlines won't care much what sim you did your MCC on, at least not during the 2 to 1 interview - it will prove useful later on...
Cheers
I still believe it's better to have sampled a jet sim if and when you get the chance of an airline sim assessment (do you know many airlines that will check your skills on a B-200 fixed-base sim?) and/or for the start to a type-rating on anything remotely modern (i.e EFIS-equipped).
I chose a jet sim for my MCC (on the advice of an airline recruitment captain), it cost me Ģ800 more, but it was worth every penny. It's true that the airlines won't care much what sim you did your MCC on, at least not during the 2 to 1 interview - it will prove useful later on...
Cheers
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ALWAYS do your MCC on a JET!
More and more airlines have this as a requirement if you want to apply as low-timer.
Example: SN Brussels Airlines held a recruitement last winter. Low-timers were invited on 1 condition: Having AT LEAST 20h of MCC on... an EFIS equipped jet.
Both Aeromadrid, with 30h on A320, as Airmed International Flight School, with 40h on the A320, provide this.
WWW, MCC is in my opinion the most important phase of your training. It will decide how well you do at a sim ride. An airline doesn't want to see that you perform the perfect parallel entry and holding or an ILS with less than half-a-dot-deflection, no, they want to see if you can work in a MODERN multi-crew cockpit.
Theo,
Ik begin binnenkort in Chechi' als instructeur.
De zaken in LEVC zijn trouwens echt veranderd hoor, in goede zin dan! Groeten aan Ignatio als je die zou zien.
More and more airlines have this as a requirement if you want to apply as low-timer.
Example: SN Brussels Airlines held a recruitement last winter. Low-timers were invited on 1 condition: Having AT LEAST 20h of MCC on... an EFIS equipped jet.
Both Aeromadrid, with 30h on A320, as Airmed International Flight School, with 40h on the A320, provide this.
WWW, MCC is in my opinion the most important phase of your training. It will decide how well you do at a sim ride. An airline doesn't want to see that you perform the perfect parallel entry and holding or an ILS with less than half-a-dot-deflection, no, they want to see if you can work in a MODERN multi-crew cockpit.
Theo,
Ik begin binnenkort in Chechi' als instructeur.
De zaken in LEVC zijn trouwens echt veranderd hoor, in goede zin dan! Groeten aan Ignatio als je die zou zien.