BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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If there has been a delay the Captain may ask for permission to run the APU for passenger comfort. This is usually granted.
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SC - The big difference between shutting down engines during taxi and saving on the APU is that there is no negative affect whatsoever from shutting down an engine, everything still works as advertised.
Wrong! Prove it.
Wrong! Prove it.
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Night Vision - Apologies Mods, thread creep.
Juan T- That is a simple half-way house measure to help your eyes adjust from bright to dim light. The theory is that should a landing accident or incident occur and you have to evacuate the aeroplane you will have a better chance of survival as your eyes will already be part adapted to the dark.
Agree - only if you allow at least 20 minutes will your eyes (the rods or cones I forget which) fully adjust, red lighting was supposed to assist adapting. This does not take into account the individual overhead spotlight however.
I do agree however it's better than nothing.
Agree - only if you allow at least 20 minutes will your eyes (the rods or cones I forget which) fully adjust, red lighting was supposed to assist adapting. This does not take into account the individual overhead spotlight however.
I do agree however it's better than nothing.
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It is a good and common sense arrangement to properly prepare the aircraft for embarking passengers and crew.
As said a lot of UK airports are woefully unprepared for high temperatures and have little or no ground air conditioning.
It is a matter of common decency not a matter of Bassa!
About the same preparation as they have for snow and ice clearance.
As said a lot of UK airports are woefully unprepared for high temperatures and have little or no ground air conditioning.
It is a matter of common decency not a matter of Bassa!
About the same preparation as they have for snow and ice clearance.
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BASSA Flight BSA101 to Nowhere
After take-off:
This is your captain speaking “We welcome you on board this BASSA flight, please check your T&C in the pocket in front of you, this will explain your obligations to the cabin crew for their safety and comfort, especially during their rest periods”
After landing:
This is your captain speaking “We thank you for not making too many demands on our cabin crew, please, before you leave the plane can you lower the blinds it might be too dangerous for the cabin crew to do so and if you find any litter can you collect this and deposit this in the nearest bin in the airport lounge.
We thank you for flying BASSA Airways – we look forward to you helping our cabin crew again in the near future – strike action permitting”
After take-off:
This is your captain speaking “We welcome you on board this BASSA flight, please check your T&C in the pocket in front of you, this will explain your obligations to the cabin crew for their safety and comfort, especially during their rest periods”
After landing:
This is your captain speaking “We thank you for not making too many demands on our cabin crew, please, before you leave the plane can you lower the blinds it might be too dangerous for the cabin crew to do so and if you find any litter can you collect this and deposit this in the nearest bin in the airport lounge.
We thank you for flying BASSA Airways – we look forward to you helping our cabin crew again in the near future – strike action permitting”
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No one thinks for a moment here, that perhaps it is Walsh who has the personal vendetta? Surely an appraisal of his performanceso far, could also be described as "militant". His actions have all the hallmarks of union busting.
I can understand that there are a lot of people here who must be disappointed that BASSA have not rushed into a third ballot as quickly as they would like.
If intelligence is being questioned, then you must ask why Walsh allowed 800 cabin crew to take severance just before the first ballot. Not a very 'intelligent' thing to do in hindsight. To seek an injunction over the notification, or lack of it, of 11 spoiled ballot papers, was also not very intelligent when on appeal BA lost. In fact the whole position of BA seeking injunctions is questionable, as it has not solved anything, but simply run the disopute on for longer than necessary. Hiding behind High Court judges is perhaps not the most intelligent thing to do
Duncan Holley has said many times that the action to defeat imposition would be a "marathon". You would need to be a patient.
Here they come again!
800 cabin crew on high wages and pension commitments - not that poor a move.
I can understand that there are a lot of people here who must be disappointed that BASSA have not rushed into a third ballot as quickly as they would like.
If intelligence is being questioned, then you must ask why Walsh allowed 800 cabin crew to take severance just before the first ballot. Not a very 'intelligent' thing to do in hindsight. To seek an injunction over the notification, or lack of it, of 11 spoiled ballot papers, was also not very intelligent when on appeal BA lost. In fact the whole position of BA seeking injunctions is questionable, as it has not solved anything, but simply run the disopute on for longer than necessary. Hiding behind High Court judges is perhaps not the most intelligent thing to do
Duncan Holley has said many times that the action to defeat imposition would be a "marathon". You would need to be a patient.
Here they come again!
800 cabin crew on high wages and pension commitments - not that poor a move.
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SC - The big difference between shutting down engines during taxi and saving on the APU is that there is no negative affect whatsoever from shutting down an engine, everything still works as advertised.
Wrong! Prove it.
Wrong! Prove it.
Many 2 engine airplanes taxi in on one engine and 4 engine airplanes on 3.
All works well. Plenty of redundancy in the systems. Standard procedures for saving fuel.
APU restrictions on the ground are usually environmental. IF the ground facilities are good then ground air and ground electrics will be used where possible.
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After 90 years of operation another "national" airline
as it files for bankruptcy protection.
Perhaps some BASSA reps might find something to do there.
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Perhaps this is their long term plan:
has proposed salary cuts of 41 percent and 39 percent for pilots and flight attendants, respectively, and a 40 percent staff reduction to keep the company afloat
Perhaps some BASSA reps might find something to do there.
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Perhaps this is their long term plan:
stockholders have offered to sell CMA to its unions for the token sum of $1 peso, proving them convinced of the vital role these labor organizations will play in the future of the company. As the only entities capable of turning the situation around, CMA’s management have stated that it would be willing to transfer control of the airline to its unions.
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You omitted the last part of the press release which said that the Mexicana pilot's union had rejected both scenarios. Who does that remind you of ?
Shame in some respects as Mexicana joined oneworld around 18 months ago. Doesn't help the overall oneworld brand when this sort of thing happens.
Shame in some respects as Mexicana joined oneworld around 18 months ago. Doesn't help the overall oneworld brand when this sort of thing happens.
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So you have never completed a proper apprentiship then?
The first initial rule is to keep your workspace clean and tidy
Sweep up after you and leave it as you found it
So NOT fully trained then, just enough to do the job, this worries me
I thought cabin crew were fully trained before flying, as in professional crew
Not as in professional tradesmen qualified apprentiship compared to
tradesmen who can manage the job?
Often referred to as chancers
Jack McH
The first initial rule is to keep your workspace clean and tidy
Sweep up after you and leave it as you found it
So NOT fully trained then, just enough to do the job, this worries me
I thought cabin crew were fully trained before flying, as in professional crew
Not as in professional tradesmen qualified apprentiship compared to
tradesmen who can manage the job?
Often referred to as chancers
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What is interesting, time and time again, regarding this dispute, is that BASSA advocates will deflect issues, doing everything they can to not discuss their objections.
This is not about pilots, not about other airline's practices, it's about BA and the militant faction of BASSA.
Your customers have read (and this is a SLF forum) about your fear of blinds, we are already aware of the burden a simple hot towel service represents to your group.
Seriously, at what point do you present yourself as an advocate for your customers? I'm not speaking of the "We are the face of BA" rhetoric. The face means little to your flying public if the "face" is constantly frowning and complaining about who they work for.
Your customers have no wish for contact with you. Rather than reassurances you give us "Pulling down blinds is too dangerous!".
Gatwick and LCY are gaining advocates due to their customer centric focus.
Heathrow is gaining a reputation as an aging dinorsaur, no mobility and definitely no connection with co-existing organisms.
Who the heck are you paying for your representation?
This is not about pilots, not about other airline's practices, it's about BA and the militant faction of BASSA.
Your customers have read (and this is a SLF forum) about your fear of blinds, we are already aware of the burden a simple hot towel service represents to your group.
Seriously, at what point do you present yourself as an advocate for your customers? I'm not speaking of the "We are the face of BA" rhetoric. The face means little to your flying public if the "face" is constantly frowning and complaining about who they work for.
Your customers have no wish for contact with you. Rather than reassurances you give us "Pulling down blinds is too dangerous!".
Gatwick and LCY are gaining advocates due to their customer centric focus.
Heathrow is gaining a reputation as an aging dinorsaur, no mobility and definitely no connection with co-existing organisms.
Who the heck are you paying for your representation?
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CSD on a Trolley DUBAI-LHR
Had difficulty working out the change for a £169 FINEPIX CAMERA when £180 tendered
No it is not £8
(Inumerate or a thief?)
A young lady CC advised it was indeed £11
The laugh was until I came on here, I usually said "KEEP THE CHANGE" Knowing it was quite a bit
(Due to me usually flying on economy airlines and appreciating the service and aware of CC low wage)
Jack McH
No it is not £8
(Inumerate or a thief?)
A young lady CC advised it was indeed £11
The laugh was until I came on here, I usually said "KEEP THE CHANGE" Knowing it was quite a bit
(Due to me usually flying on economy airlines and appreciating the service and aware of CC low wage)
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Next week is my first ride on BA. Hopefully I will not be taken care of by anyone with a lanyard. I'm in CW and have high expectations as I did when I booked this ride several months ago.
I have, out of necessity, been following the 2 threads on PPrune to see if my trip would actually go. Looks now that it will be no problem except for changing planes in LHR.
I have, out of necessity, been following the 2 threads on PPrune to see if my trip would actually go. Looks now that it will be no problem except for changing planes in LHR.
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How many would sstrike?
If BASSA/Unite call for a strike who would actually strike. It is patently obvious that a new strike will not succeeded. While a strike will be financially painful to BA and thereby please Duncan it will do nothing for striking Cabin Crew. 3500 Cabin Crew who have lost Staff Travel may strike on the basis that they may recoup Staff Travel as a result. They will not and BA will be able to continue to serve most if not all destinations. I am intrigued by the number of part time Cabin Crew there are. Maybe there is a motivation for them to strike. Regardless of the number of members BASSA still has how many will strike?
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I am flying home from North America on the weekend, i'm now worried if it is safe on the BA plane to close the blinds, there must be some safety issue if the cabin crew need a health and safety check before doing it......
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on another note, and I am in no way having a go at a person I dont know, but how is it that the cabin crew can be properly represented by someone who now doesnt work for the airline.
Surely the union rules would prohibit someone who is now no longer allowed unfettered access to airline premises and therefore would be unable to represent the members???
Surely the union rules would prohibit someone who is now no longer allowed unfettered access to airline premises and therefore would be unable to represent the members???
Está servira para distraerle.
I am not really familiar with the mental processes that go on inside the head of people who select sexually bestial names as their internet pen names. Life has been kind to me and I have managed to avoid the company of those who find animal sex or group infidelity amusing. It does not surprise me that there might, among the representatives of the anti BA brigade, as in any other of course, be one or two of these strange mentalists. It does surprise me however that apparently, or so I am led to believe by reading and rumour, one or more of these creatures of humankind is able to post in a thread reserved specifically and only for acting cabin crew. That gives recognition to an entitlement which is denied to others whose service and experience in the airline industry would be perhaps be more intelligent and constructive, less biased and just possibly altogether more interesting.
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Nice post and very much on point. It seems the posters on the other thread are polarized to one end of the dispute or the other. There are others of us that have been in similar situations that may share wisdom gained the hard way. But then again, would either side listen?
Nice post and very much on point. It seems the posters on the other thread are polarized to one end of the dispute or the other. There are others of us that have been in similar situations that may share wisdom gained the hard way. But then again, would either side listen?
Está servira para distraerle.
I was just wondering in a truly altruistically sympathetic way if the BA height requirements for cabin crew discriminated against some of the cabin crew in a manner which could affect health and safety with regard to the window blinds, closing of? Perhaps as a result of any BA maximum height restriction some cabin crew might find themselves bracchium disadvantaged?
This disability could pose serious problems for crew having to lean across rows of seats to close blinds. This could be a task for which, with their short little arms, they are ill equipped to complete. Perhaps that is the philanthropic rationale behind the recent BASSA kerfuffle?
This disability could pose serious problems for crew having to lean across rows of seats to close blinds. This could be a task for which, with their short little arms, they are ill equipped to complete. Perhaps that is the philanthropic rationale behind the recent BASSA kerfuffle?