BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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"Closing window blinds at the end of your flight"
That has to be a troll. In my experience, the blinds have to be OPEN. I sit to be corrected - on both points.
That has to be a troll. In my experience, the blinds have to be OPEN. I sit to be corrected - on both points.
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Litter
"..............and then what next - pick up all the litter?"
That, sadly, tells you everything you need to know about how the mind of the BASSA rep works. Imagine being responsible for the cleanliness of your aircraft - but no! We are BA Cabin Crew! We don't do litter!
Muppets of the highest order. The "don't close the blinds because it's not in your job description" bit is bad enough, but to add the litter remark, when anyone with half a brain could see that it would make it to the wider world............well, words fail me.
BASSA members - if it wasn't clear before, it surely is now - you are being represented by fools.
That, sadly, tells you everything you need to know about how the mind of the BASSA rep works. Imagine being responsible for the cleanliness of your aircraft - but no! We are BA Cabin Crew! We don't do litter!
Muppets of the highest order. The "don't close the blinds because it's not in your job description" bit is bad enough, but to add the litter remark, when anyone with half a brain could see that it would make it to the wider world............well, words fail me.
BASSA members - if it wasn't clear before, it surely is now - you are being represented by fools.
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This is about passenger and crew comfort.
Some pilots have expressed concern during the summer that the cabin temperature on the crew boarding is too high, sometimes in the mid to high 30s. The use of the APU to provide cooling air is limited to a short period prior to departure and often the engineers will not have switched the APU on - I'm not entirely sure but it is likely that once the APU is on the engineers must remain on the aircraft in case there is an APU fire. The yellow tubes that provide pre-conditioned air (PCA) will keep an aircraft cool but will not cool a hot aircraft.
There are some things that can be done to prevent the cabin temp from climbing too high on the ground - opening all air cooling vents, turning off the IFE and other non-essentially electrical equipment, turning off some of the recirculation fans and closing the window blinds.
Some captains have been asking crew to do these things after all the pax have disembarked but prior to leaving the aircraft to minimise the discomfort to their colleagues and our passengers for the next flight leg. It is typical of BASSA that they would rather order their members to disobey a legal order of the aircraft commander putting them in a legally difficult position.
This is a safety related issue - you are foolish to board passengers onto an aircraft if the cabin temp is above 30C, BASSA see it as some kind of imposition of a dictatorial management, something to be resisted. It is typical - the answer is no, what is the question. It is classic awkward squad stuff.
Safe working practice trial don't make me laugh, as has been pointed out already, in the sprint to the bunks the crew are quick enough to close the blinds - how unsafe can it be? This is just about being awkward for the sake of being awkward. It may represent secondary IA and put the crews jobs at risk - how stupid can BASSA get?
Some pilots have expressed concern during the summer that the cabin temperature on the crew boarding is too high, sometimes in the mid to high 30s. The use of the APU to provide cooling air is limited to a short period prior to departure and often the engineers will not have switched the APU on - I'm not entirely sure but it is likely that once the APU is on the engineers must remain on the aircraft in case there is an APU fire. The yellow tubes that provide pre-conditioned air (PCA) will keep an aircraft cool but will not cool a hot aircraft.
There are some things that can be done to prevent the cabin temp from climbing too high on the ground - opening all air cooling vents, turning off the IFE and other non-essentially electrical equipment, turning off some of the recirculation fans and closing the window blinds.
Some captains have been asking crew to do these things after all the pax have disembarked but prior to leaving the aircraft to minimise the discomfort to their colleagues and our passengers for the next flight leg. It is typical of BASSA that they would rather order their members to disobey a legal order of the aircraft commander putting them in a legally difficult position.
This is a safety related issue - you are foolish to board passengers onto an aircraft if the cabin temp is above 30C, BASSA see it as some kind of imposition of a dictatorial management, something to be resisted. It is typical - the answer is no, what is the question. It is classic awkward squad stuff.
Safe working practice trial don't make me laugh, as has been pointed out already, in the sprint to the bunks the crew are quick enough to close the blinds - how unsafe can it be? This is just about being awkward for the sake of being awkward. It may represent secondary IA and put the crews jobs at risk - how stupid can BASSA get?
I’m not allowed to post on the CC board, and rightly, but if I were, I’d probably post to each of DugMyselfEvenDeeper, AvaNotherone, MissMuppet and the rest – at least once:
‘If you’re hoping for another strike, what would you hope to achieve?
‘Do you think that you would (a) achieve it, or (b) finish up worse off?
‘Does the history of this dispute so far give you any clues?’
They wouldn’t know how to / choose not to answer, and it wouldn’t stop their comedy act, but at least it might serve to remind wavering CC what they’re into.
‘If you’re hoping for another strike, what would you hope to achieve?
‘Do you think that you would (a) achieve it, or (b) finish up worse off?
‘Does the history of this dispute so far give you any clues?’
They wouldn’t know how to / choose not to answer, and it wouldn’t stop their comedy act, but at least it might serve to remind wavering CC what they’re into.
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Holley, or one of his stooges, has a new login on the CC thread. Re the window blinds he asks ".....why wasn't it done 40 years ago?"
Irrelevant - you are being asked to do it now. Why do you have problem with it?
Irrelevant - you are being asked to do it now. Why do you have problem with it?
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Closing the blinds
This beggars belief.
Failing to comply with a legitimate management instruction is readily accepted by Employment Tribunals as grounds for Summary Dismissal (as long as a fair process is followed).
As has been pointed out, the "cabin crew" already pull down blinds in-flight, so it is reasonable for management to take the view that it is a legitimate part of the "cabin crew's" duty not requiring additional assessment, training or whatever. Management have a sound business reason for the blinds to be pulled down at the end of a flight, and included in the "cabin crew's" tasks (they are highly trained professionals after all).
A refusal to comply, whether polite or otherwise, is inviting dismissal. Would some poor unfortunate, following their union's advice, have grounds to sue BASSA/Unite after their dismissal was found to be fair by a Tribunal ?
Failing to comply with a legitimate management instruction is readily accepted by Employment Tribunals as grounds for Summary Dismissal (as long as a fair process is followed).
As has been pointed out, the "cabin crew" already pull down blinds in-flight, so it is reasonable for management to take the view that it is a legitimate part of the "cabin crew's" duty not requiring additional assessment, training or whatever. Management have a sound business reason for the blinds to be pulled down at the end of a flight, and included in the "cabin crew's" tasks (they are highly trained professionals after all).
A refusal to comply, whether polite or otherwise, is inviting dismissal. Would some poor unfortunate, following their union's advice, have grounds to sue BASSA/Unite after their dismissal was found to be fair by a Tribunal ?
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Thanks for the correction. The full explanation, kindly given by Juan Tugoh makes full sense. In any organisation that I have worked in, or heard of, across 30 years of my working life routinely add requests for a one-off, or change the daily schedule with a meeting and explanation.
I welcome more of this intransigence being made public. We can all think of examples in our daily working lives when we do something that is not in our job description.
I welcome more of this intransigence being made public. We can all think of examples in our daily working lives when we do something that is not in our job description.
In my experience, the blinds have to be OPEN. I sit to be corrected - on both points.
Perhaps the reason for this latest window-blind debacle is that BASSA can now include this as the primary reason for their next strike in the folorn hope (in my view) it will not therefore be classed as continuance of the same strike.
Quite how BASSA would spin this one to the media and expect any sympathy would be a challenge though!
Quite how BASSA would spin this one to the media and expect any sympathy would be a challenge though!
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Bassa are not being stupid - they are being clever._ This idea of not pulling the blinds down is as transparent as the cabin windows._ It is secretly provocative.
It is possible that the person who advocates this sullen sulkiness no longer works for BA._ He blames his sacking on all CC who were not 100% behind him being reinstated with acclaim._ He therefore has a grudge against all CC and has devised this clever scheme to cause trouble to all and everyone.
It is possible that the person who advocates this sullen sulkiness no longer works for BA._ He blames his sacking on all CC who were not 100% behind him being reinstated with acclaim._ He therefore has a grudge against all CC and has devised this clever scheme to cause trouble to all and everyone.
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I live in a house full of people, electronic equipment and other stuff pouring out energy in the form of heat. The sun beating down adds considerably to the problem. I have found that it is quite possible to reduce the build up of heat just by using blinds and curtains thoughtfully and timeously thereby making the house far more comfortable. Upon researching this further imagine my surprise when I discovered that humans have been using SHADE to do this since time began.
Whatever will they think of next.
Whatever will they think of next.
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Upon researching this further imagine my surprise when I discovered that humans have been using SHADE to do this since time began.
It got me thinking - how did all those animals conduct the necessary trials, and H&S assessments before they used the shade to keep cool? Perhaps they went on strike, but God (the evil nasty one) bust their union and forced them to use the shade to keep cool?
On a more serious note - in my office we use the shades to cool the office in the heat of the day. We have AC units, but they struggle if we let the sun in. And given on my floor there are 150 people, all with 1 or 2 computers, each with 4 or 8 screens, plus photocopiers, large plasma screens, fridges, coffee machines etc. And we have control of the blinds - not in my job description to close them, and never done a H&S assessment on it, but I will close them if necessary, or if people further away from the controls ask.
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Safety Concerns:
You truly are working hard on your defense of BASSA's inane instruction and I feel for you, I really do. Its rather like reading messages from Katie Price's publicist extrolling her singing ability
I wasn't sure if BASSA could top the "hot towel" debacle but they have managed to do so in brilliant fashion. Its a simple instruction and it makes perfectly good sense. Only BASSA could manage to turn it into a call to arms.
If there is significant mocking of BASSA and its militant members over this message it will be due entirely to BASSA's actions. BA certainly had nothing to do with it.
You truly are working hard on your defense of BASSA's inane instruction and I feel for you, I really do. Its rather like reading messages from Katie Price's publicist extrolling her singing ability
I wasn't sure if BASSA could top the "hot towel" debacle but they have managed to do so in brilliant fashion. Its a simple instruction and it makes perfectly good sense. Only BASSA could manage to turn it into a call to arms.
If there is significant mocking of BASSA and its militant members over this message it will be due entirely to BASSA's actions. BA certainly had nothing to do with it.
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Your argument is vacuous and deliberately provocative. Your brain has clearly boiled thanks to no shade in Dubai. Your contributions have failed to add any authority or clarity to a manifestly poor Bassa case.
Your argument is vacuous and deliberately provocative. Your brain has clearly boiled thanks to no shade in Dubai. Your contributions have failed to add any authority or clarity to a manifestly poor Bassa case.
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I am in Dubai. It is 44 degrees. The sun is beating down on an aluminium tube.
I have absolutely nil chance, (that is zero for you mrpony) of gaining any useful benefit by pulling all the blinds down. Even if a miracle occurred the only hope I have of getting that cabin temperature down below 30 is to switch on an air conditioning unit.
I have absolutely nil chance, (that is zero for you mrpony) of gaining any useful benefit by pulling all the blinds down. Even if a miracle occurred the only hope I have of getting that cabin temperature down below 30 is to switch on an air conditioning unit.
The air conditioning is left on for the turnround, it just doesnt stand a chance if its not given some help.