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Management have no idea, they think they know whats coming, the truth is, the only thing they have is resources in $$$ and the brand. They are both dwindling by the day, sit back relax and smile even more and know that the back of this management will be "Broken" ultimately from members who came through the ranks of LAMES. If that doesn't make one smile, I'm not sure what will. Keep up the good work, Steve, Wes and the Wookster.
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I don't know if there is a meeting on Tuesday, if that helps. There may be a meeting though, the parties are looking into it.
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"We welcome the ALAEA's decision not to strike during World Youth Day events, but they would also need to list their overtime bans and go slow campaign to truly minimise disruption to our passengers," Mr Borghetti said.
If I hear this ONE MORE TIME from a Qantas executive I will represent the remark. If they wanna keep accusing me of going slow, then so I will. Reap what you sow motherf*ckers!
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Qantas Airlines executive general manager John Borghetti said the company was disappointed that an agreement could not be reached today.
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Thanks for your comments mate. I got the impression that O/T was rife thru QF from some of the threads posted and QF depended on it to keep the business going. Thats why I asked the question re losing 10% to get 5%. After reading the latest threads it appears this is not the case, then I would question why the union have decided this as a course of action if it will have so little impact. I suppose it can only be one way or the other, well I could probably sit on the fence and say the guys that do large amounts of O/T would probably experience a net loss for the 5% and if you do no overtime you're laughin(so to speak). Certainly going to be hard to get anything outta QF in the current environment(re oil Etc), lousy timing to try and ask for a pay rise, tho really QF have done all the stalling. Just wondering for comment, this EBA expires soon and really the only thing yr fighting for is essentially back pay. Soon it will be time to negotiate EBA 9, which means that PIA may become a normal day to day business propostion for QF at this rate. It also may force QF to either bite the bullet or do something like change procedures to match JS or VB to get efficiencies, which I am suprised that they have not already done. Retiring old A/C and taking delivery of new ones will allow them to operate under a MSG3 maintenance program (like the 737NG) which could cut their maintenance requirements in half. I would not doubt that this has not crossed their minds at some stage and there could be projects in the pipeline to implement this. Then again, I could be over-estimating QF intelligence as well.
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If I remember correctly, towards the end of Jimmy Bow-Tie's reign we had a "flog off" between Darth and the 'large' dude who went and caught the ANZ hospital pass for the keys to the kingdom. Once Darth had despatched dough-boy he started to make the announcements and Bow-Tie took a back seat most of the time.
Didn't see PG's name on that press release?
Does this mean the Italian Stallion is our new CEO?
I doubt he'll be any better than Darth but I suspect the other bloke would be MUCH worse!!
As to the three week 'no stoppages' what a genius stroke. The network will only get worse and it's NOT our fault joe public, we're the good guys!!
Oh, and Borgs, be VERY careful what you say to the press or you might just get that go-slow you twits keep talking about.....and then the damn network will STOP !!!
Didn't see PG's name on that press release?
Does this mean the Italian Stallion is our new CEO?
I doubt he'll be any better than Darth but I suspect the other bloke would be MUCH worse!!
As to the three week 'no stoppages' what a genius stroke. The network will only get worse and it's NOT our fault joe public, we're the good guys!!
Oh, and Borgs, be VERY careful what you say to the press or you might just get that go-slow you twits keep talking about.....and then the damn network will STOP !!!
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Colonel,
Sadly the clowns running the show actually believe Boeing and scarebus when they get told the new ones only need to be maintained once a year.....
So they plan on making us leave because we hate the place they've created.....thus saving redundancy payouts.
Shame is, using that system there'll be nobody left when the scarebuses that were the flight test units arrive ( oh! but we got them cheap! ). Also a shame they never asked Virgin Atlantic what their 340-6's were like when they arrived from the flight test camp.............MEGA HOURS of rectification and over a year before they flew straight!!
But then what would engineers know, they ain't got educashon and MBA thingies like wot the boffins runin the show ave.....ave dey ?
sheesh.
Sadly the clowns running the show actually believe Boeing and scarebus when they get told the new ones only need to be maintained once a year.....
So they plan on making us leave because we hate the place they've created.....thus saving redundancy payouts.
Shame is, using that system there'll be nobody left when the scarebuses that were the flight test units arrive ( oh! but we got them cheap! ). Also a shame they never asked Virgin Atlantic what their 340-6's were like when they arrived from the flight test camp.............MEGA HOURS of rectification and over a year before they flew straight!!
But then what would engineers know, they ain't got educashon and MBA thingies like wot the boffins runin the show ave.....ave dey ?
sheesh.
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Colonel
I would just like to add to KoneHead's response re o/t.
Yes only a few LAME's do o/t BUT the one's that do, do loooooooooots and looooooooooots.
So it is true that Base, for one, only survive due to sh!t loads of o/t being worked by a few LAME's and that is why the bans are hurting so much.
This
talk about go-slow............
I would just like to add to KoneHead's response re o/t.
Yes only a few LAME's do o/t BUT the one's that do, do loooooooooots and looooooooooots.
So it is true that Base, for one, only survive due to sh!t loads of o/t being worked by a few LAME's and that is why the bans are hurting so much.
This
talk about go-slow............
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Online manuals, Policy and procedures, OH&S and you think we implemented a go slow. Time we got some 2 hour lunch breaks as well. As a shift of course so we can discuss the tragedy map.
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Colonel,
For you and all the knowledgeable ones, most people with some hand skills can repair an old Holden, but it is a totally different ball game to repair/troubleshoot a modern high tech computer controlled vehicle. Unfortunately our know all managers don’t seem to be aware of this fact, that the more technical an aircraft is the more skilled the workforce have to be and the more training required to maintain these high tech aircraft. As has been stated before, the so called strategy people still believe the manufactures that you don’t need many LAME’s for their maintenance. The factories still can’t get the a/c into service let alone guarantee trouble free maintenance.
It has become difficult to retain AME’s who are the future of our profession, due to poor wages and ‘no training policy’, so one wonders how or who the company thinks will keep them flying.
I suppose they feel they can get them checked in Lax, ready for the morning departure in Sydney.
For you and all the knowledgeable ones, most people with some hand skills can repair an old Holden, but it is a totally different ball game to repair/troubleshoot a modern high tech computer controlled vehicle. Unfortunately our know all managers don’t seem to be aware of this fact, that the more technical an aircraft is the more skilled the workforce have to be and the more training required to maintain these high tech aircraft. As has been stated before, the so called strategy people still believe the manufactures that you don’t need many LAME’s for their maintenance. The factories still can’t get the a/c into service let alone guarantee trouble free maintenance.
It has become difficult to retain AME’s who are the future of our profession, due to poor wages and ‘no training policy’, so one wonders how or who the company thinks will keep them flying.
I suppose they feel they can get them checked in Lax, ready for the morning departure in Sydney.
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We welcome the ALAEA's decision not to strike during World Youth Day events, but they would also need to list their overtime bans and go slow campaign to truly minimise disruption to our passengers," Mr Borghetti said.
WHY give them a break for the pope as chopper would say you need to HARDEN THE F%^& UP.
WHY give them a break for the pope as chopper would say you need to HARDEN THE F%^& UP.
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There are many things one could say preceeding this news story;
You get what you pay for, who's doing the work in LAX, why are aircraft engineers paid good money, etc, etc, etc.
Suffice it to say, this one guy alledgedly fitted a part that was 'almost' the right one. He is now facing a VERY uncertain future, along with the manager of aircraft maintenance and a few design guys.
TAKE NOTE ALL, ESPECIALLY YOU, DAVID COX.
If LAX, MAS or heaven forbid one of us screw up....you go to jail too!!!!
US airline to stand trial for 2000 Concorde crash - Breaking News - World - Breaking News
You get what you pay for, who's doing the work in LAX, why are aircraft engineers paid good money, etc, etc, etc.
Suffice it to say, this one guy alledgedly fitted a part that was 'almost' the right one. He is now facing a VERY uncertain future, along with the manager of aircraft maintenance and a few design guys.
TAKE NOTE ALL, ESPECIALLY YOU, DAVID COX.
If LAX, MAS or heaven forbid one of us screw up....you go to jail too!!!!
US airline to stand trial for 2000 Concorde crash - Breaking News - World - Breaking News
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Continental Airlines and its workers are charged in connection with a failure of aircraft maintenance.
The two employees, both US citizens, are John Taylor, a mechanic who allegedly fitted the non-standard strip, and the airline's chief of maintenance Stanley Ford.
The two employees, both US citizens, are John Taylor, a mechanic who allegedly fitted the non-standard strip, and the airline's chief of maintenance Stanley Ford.
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The ALAEA is showing alot of goodwill by no action in a damm busy time for QF , sadly I couldnt see QF management ,with thier history during negotiations ,doing the same....Hope it dosent backfire on them !!!!! 
Or I hope the action will change if any more ****e tactics from QF...
Or I hope the action will change if any more ****e tactics from QF...
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Delays cost $$$$
Don’t worry too much about no PIA during a very busy time.
It the OT bans are hurting QF this much now, imaging the chaos the OT bans will have for WYD.
Not to mention sick leave figures are rising every week.
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It the OT bans are hurting QF this much now, imaging the chaos the OT bans will have for WYD.
Not to mention sick leave figures are rising every week.
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505.......... 443....... 424....... 19.... /75... /38 ...../45 /63%
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I have just read an article on the Boeing website that are now are full 737NG repair station in Brisbane. Meaning that they can do all heavy and line maintenance work at Eagle Farm and Amberley. The timing of this brings up a little red flag to me.
Am I reading between the lines too much? I am not trying to stir the pot but I thought it to be interesting and relevant to the current issues at hand.
Am I reading between the lines too much? I am not trying to stir the pot but I thought it to be interesting and relevant to the current issues at hand.