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Outlook for airline industry dire, Qantas says
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Multiply this stupidity with the dozens of tasks you are required to do in a day......Maybe if we had more stands.
Good to see you're making a stand though Anulus Filler.
Multiply this stupidity with the dozens of tasks you are required to do in a day......Maybe if we had more stands.
Good to see you're making a stand though Anulus Filler.
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2000 jobs to be axed
Hmmm, let me see if I can find the logic here. LAME's have stopped doing overtime, this has caused massive disruption throughout the whole of Qantas as there are not enough engineers to do their tasks without doing wads of overtime.
Dixon wants to get rid of more engineers in his latest slice and dice.
That should help enormously, no more delays because we all know that with even less engineers more work can be done in normal time. Overtime will no longer be needed.
Nope, can't see the logic there.
I guess that is why GD gets paid the big bux. He is obviously operating at a mental level way above us normal human beings.
Dixon wants to get rid of more engineers in his latest slice and dice.
That should help enormously, no more delays because we all know that with even less engineers more work can be done in normal time. Overtime will no longer be needed.
Nope, can't see the logic there.
I guess that is why GD gets paid the big bux. He is obviously operating at a mental level way above us normal human beings.
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Just a Suggestion
Continue the 'overtime ban' until a resolution is reached or we are retrenched. Let's not give any room for the company to sully our reputation. At least when this is all over, one way or the other, the truth will read, 'The company collapsed because it was managed beyond its means, an unsuccessful application to force engineers to divorce their families and live at the airport failed. Overtime is optional, we are exersizing our option'.
To force employees to work overtime beyond the Australian Working Week of 38 hours could and should be prosecuted. This is the simple, single message that needs to be conveyed. To force overtime is akin to slavery, regardless of remuneration. The ALAEA fought long and hard at great expense to afford us total legal protection for our right to decline overtime requests. Thats it! We are not working overtime! Let this be debated by the Australian public. Let them decide. And finally, let management finally get around to doing what it is they are paid for, managing this tragic mess they have created. If they wanted our help, they would have asked, the right way.
There will be no blaming others, the $hit is on your shoes. Engineers refused to trade their time with family for cash. Engineers refuse to sell their souls to the 'roo' like you have. Engineers just want to come to work, free of intimidation, fix aircraft better than anywhere else in the world, take a days pay for a days work, then go home to their families. Management cannot understand how an employee can just leave his work at the gate. This is simply referred to as sanity. I do not work overtime, whether during PIA or not, and no one will ever force me to give up my time with my partner and children. For what, to service this disgusting bunch of standover merchants. To the ALAEA, thank you for standing up for us, and giving me the strength to say no more. No more lies, no more hidden agendas, no more buggery. Managers everywhere, just manage, its time to show us how good you are, the engineers have already proved their worth over 85 years, aussie greatness. How would you rate your first 3 years? Like some, the company has been working overtime to afford and pay the mortgage, the overtime has now all dried up. Shouldn't have over committed. That's what the managers have told us when giving their condescending financial advice. Its not our problem they said. It is now.
The most concerning aspect for management must be, even if we settled, and even if the overtime went back to previous levels, could we pull this plane out of this vertical dive. Again, let me repeat, we are legally declining overtime. That's it. Oh, and being docked 4 hours of our normal pay for refusing. This will be debated in public. Disgraceful.
To force employees to work overtime beyond the Australian Working Week of 38 hours could and should be prosecuted. This is the simple, single message that needs to be conveyed. To force overtime is akin to slavery, regardless of remuneration. The ALAEA fought long and hard at great expense to afford us total legal protection for our right to decline overtime requests. Thats it! We are not working overtime! Let this be debated by the Australian public. Let them decide. And finally, let management finally get around to doing what it is they are paid for, managing this tragic mess they have created. If they wanted our help, they would have asked, the right way.
There will be no blaming others, the $hit is on your shoes. Engineers refused to trade their time with family for cash. Engineers refuse to sell their souls to the 'roo' like you have. Engineers just want to come to work, free of intimidation, fix aircraft better than anywhere else in the world, take a days pay for a days work, then go home to their families. Management cannot understand how an employee can just leave his work at the gate. This is simply referred to as sanity. I do not work overtime, whether during PIA or not, and no one will ever force me to give up my time with my partner and children. For what, to service this disgusting bunch of standover merchants. To the ALAEA, thank you for standing up for us, and giving me the strength to say no more. No more lies, no more hidden agendas, no more buggery. Managers everywhere, just manage, its time to show us how good you are, the engineers have already proved their worth over 85 years, aussie greatness. How would you rate your first 3 years? Like some, the company has been working overtime to afford and pay the mortgage, the overtime has now all dried up. Shouldn't have over committed. That's what the managers have told us when giving their condescending financial advice. Its not our problem they said. It is now.
The most concerning aspect for management must be, even if we settled, and even if the overtime went back to previous levels, could we pull this plane out of this vertical dive. Again, let me repeat, we are legally declining overtime. That's it. Oh, and being docked 4 hours of our normal pay for refusing. This will be debated in public. Disgraceful.
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Has anyone got accurate details of the "sweeteners" in the AIPA Long-Haul EBA in-principal agreement?
Perhaps a pilot could explain the full offer?
This proposal still hasn't been accepted by the membership though, just by APIA executive.
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We wouldnt discuss the details of our deal here, if it was a headline 3% but lots of sweeteners. To do so would jeopardise the deal. Don't expect a pilot to discuss a deal that hasn't been viewed by most pilots, let alone voted on.
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Continue the 'overtime ban' until a resolution is reached or we are retrenched.
never do o/t again if they cr people
sc@# workforce to be sacked
"A" checks to return to sydney
Nunc est bibendum
Pilot agreement
G'day lads,
There are far too many changes in the in principle agreement to try and explain it via this forum. There is also the fact that most QF pilots who have seen any documentation are working off a draft from a month ago and that things in it have changed in the recent couple of weeks or so I'm told. In short, no one other than a select few know for sure at the moment. Don't take anything that anyone says on PPRUNE about it as gospel in the short to medium term because they just don't know- that includes my comments below. Don't get distracted by our EBA which is of a very different structure to any EBA which has ever gone before.
The one comment I will address is that we'll all be paid as 744 drivers. Not strictly true. There is a provision for 'fleet pay' of sorts but it phases in over the next seven years so you won't see the 767 drivers magically jump to the 744 rate. The 767 drivers will get a pay rise above the 3% but 744 drivers essentially don't. A380 drivers who may have expected a higher pay rate than the 744 will get the same as the 744. This also locks in the pay rates for the 787/A350/777 as well.
Comments beyond that would would be ill advised.
There are far too many changes in the in principle agreement to try and explain it via this forum. There is also the fact that most QF pilots who have seen any documentation are working off a draft from a month ago and that things in it have changed in the recent couple of weeks or so I'm told. In short, no one other than a select few know for sure at the moment. Don't take anything that anyone says on PPRUNE about it as gospel in the short to medium term because they just don't know- that includes my comments below. Don't get distracted by our EBA which is of a very different structure to any EBA which has ever gone before.
The one comment I will address is that we'll all be paid as 744 drivers. Not strictly true. There is a provision for 'fleet pay' of sorts but it phases in over the next seven years so you won't see the 767 drivers magically jump to the 744 rate. The 767 drivers will get a pay rise above the 3% but 744 drivers essentially don't. A380 drivers who may have expected a higher pay rate than the 744 will get the same as the 744. This also locks in the pay rates for the 787/A350/777 as well.
Comments beyond that would would be ill advised.
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QDS coming to MEL Heavy?
Am I hearing correctly? 
Is this another 'Brain Wave' idea from one Dumb Bell?
If this is true I wish the guys from QDS the best of luck when they try and put Kevin's aircraft back together.
To the 'Dockies' make sure you follow local area procedures, you know, everything is labelled, paper work is up to date and make sure everything is put away!
Maintain the rage...
Is this another 'Brain Wave' idea from one Dumb Bell?
If this is true I wish the guys from QDS the best of luck when they try and put Kevin's aircraft back together.
To the 'Dockies' make sure you follow local area procedures, you know, everything is labelled, paper work is up to date and make sure everything is put away!
Maintain the rage...
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Beware Of Impending Disaster
AIPA has reached an EBA Agreement yesterday. The wage increase is 3% per annum and a 5 year deal ( following the FAAA's 5 yr deal).
Engineers are now in a dangerous situation.
Dixon has to only lock you out and threaten compulsory redundancy.
The most powerful qantas union has accepted the 3%.
Guys BEWARE!!
Engineers are now in a dangerous situation.
Dixon has to only lock you out and threaten compulsory redundancy.
The most powerful qantas union has accepted the 3%.
Guys BEWARE!!
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Qantas to cancel 3000 jobs
John Durie | July 17, 2008
QANTAS is set to bring forward a planned statement unveiling job cuts that are now tipped to run as high as 3000, but of course not all of those will be redundancies.
The job cuts, to be announced as early as tomorrow and first flagged in The Australian last Friday, will be the biggest since an equal number of staff positions were cut after the SARS outbreak of 2002.
High fuel costs are the direct cause and company boss Geoff Dixon has gone out of his way to try to explain to his workforce that the world has truly changed when oil prices rise by 45 per cent in seven months.
Just how the striking engineers react is another question, when you consider they have imposed an overtime ban, seeking 5 per cent pay increases.
The union adopted a clever strategy of limiting the impact of the ban to overtime so the troops got their normal pay, but the airline was forced to cancel flights, thereby testing the loyalty of its business-customer base.
Now is not the time to upset a customer base that is paying top dollar for seats and at the same time facing massive dislocation due to flight cancellations.
Dixon is taking a hard line refusing to accommodate the wage claims, noting they would add at least $360 million to the company’s wage bill if applied across the board.
The job cuts follow capacity cuts by an airline that has already chopped 10 per cent of its capacity and so doesn’t need as many people to service fewer flights.
While economies outside the US are holding up, higher fuel prices will hit demand at some point, putting more pressure on the airline.
From a business perspective the plan is to cut operations to a bare minimum, which sets it up perfectly for a takeoff when the economy picks up and fuel prices inevitably fall.
Based on a fuel price of $US130 a barrel, Qantas’ fuel bill in the 2009 financial year will be $5.7 billion, three times
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Note the heading
the key word being CANCEL
I hear Newport Aviation is recruiting maybe some of you might need to line up.
John Durie | July 17, 2008
QANTAS is set to bring forward a planned statement unveiling job cuts that are now tipped to run as high as 3000, but of course not all of those will be redundancies.
The job cuts, to be announced as early as tomorrow and first flagged in The Australian last Friday, will be the biggest since an equal number of staff positions were cut after the SARS outbreak of 2002.
High fuel costs are the direct cause and company boss Geoff Dixon has gone out of his way to try to explain to his workforce that the world has truly changed when oil prices rise by 45 per cent in seven months.
Just how the striking engineers react is another question, when you consider they have imposed an overtime ban, seeking 5 per cent pay increases.
The union adopted a clever strategy of limiting the impact of the ban to overtime so the troops got their normal pay, but the airline was forced to cancel flights, thereby testing the loyalty of its business-customer base.
Now is not the time to upset a customer base that is paying top dollar for seats and at the same time facing massive dislocation due to flight cancellations.
Dixon is taking a hard line refusing to accommodate the wage claims, noting they would add at least $360 million to the company’s wage bill if applied across the board.
The job cuts follow capacity cuts by an airline that has already chopped 10 per cent of its capacity and so doesn’t need as many people to service fewer flights.
While economies outside the US are holding up, higher fuel prices will hit demand at some point, putting more pressure on the airline.
From a business perspective the plan is to cut operations to a bare minimum, which sets it up perfectly for a takeoff when the economy picks up and fuel prices inevitably fall.
Based on a fuel price of $US130 a barrel, Qantas’ fuel bill in the 2009 financial year will be $5.7 billion, three times
___________________________________________________________
Note the heading
the key word being CANCEL
I hear Newport Aviation is recruiting maybe some of you might need to line up.
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Engineers are now in a dangerous situation.
Oh Alpine .. Beware of what?
We're taking a stand in the face of constant threats. If it's a mass redundancy, so be it - long live the Roo.