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I too put my hand up for that average wage of $130,000.00 if you don't mind thanks Geoff.
That would be a 22% increase for me and the same percentage pay rise you have already given yourself this year.
What a hypocritical jack@ss.
That would be a 22% increase for me and the same percentage pay rise you have already given yourself this year.
What a hypocritical jack@ss.
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The average Joe public thinks we earn mega dollars because we work on aircraft,but a diesel/motor mechanic, people that stock the shelves at night for coles or safeway supermarkets earn more than us for much less responsibility.
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Just to provide some clarity to those readers here not within the ranks of QANTAS Engineering, regarding outlandish statements by our distinguished CEO with reference to LAME's salaries I am happy to open up my payslip for public perusal...
As a mechanical LAME with 15 years experience holding endorsements on QANTAS 767, A330 and 737-800 aircraft ( 2 of which I unfortunately, and many say foolishly paid for myself..) and the 4 associated engine types my basic rate of pay is $1,330.79 per week. A grand total of approximately $69,200 per annum..
To be compensated for the pleasure of working with carcinogens, throughout the night from 1800 hrs to 0600 in the morning, weekends and public holidays we are entitled to a shift workers penality rate of approximately 38% of our base wage.
Total per annum befor tax of $95,500.
As a mechanical LAME with 15 years experience holding endorsements on QANTAS 767, A330 and 737-800 aircraft ( 2 of which I unfortunately, and many say foolishly paid for myself..) and the 4 associated engine types my basic rate of pay is $1,330.79 per week. A grand total of approximately $69,200 per annum..
To be compensated for the pleasure of working with carcinogens, throughout the night from 1800 hrs to 0600 in the morning, weekends and public holidays we are entitled to a shift workers penality rate of approximately 38% of our base wage.
Total per annum befor tax of $95,500.
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Go you good thing!
QANTAS Employees, I would just like to add my support for what you are doing and hope that you get what you are trying to achieve.
The top echelon of business these days have a lot to answer for.
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The top echelon of business these days have a lot to answer for.
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Those figures
Blubak said
Its ok to use accurate facts but please dont insult us-it wont get you anywhere REPEAT-IT WONT GET YOU ANYWHERE.
Its ok to use accurate facts but please dont insult us-it wont get you anywhere REPEAT-IT WONT GET YOU ANYWHERE.
I have been monitoring the media all day, and di*kson has managed to get his message across. That message is that you are all greedy, and trying to bring the company down at a time of crisis and darkness. We all recognize it as the Doom and Gloom theory. Joe Public thinks it’s all true because everyone can see the pump prices every day.
And the scary thing about this, is that it was all too predictable, and the association, and the ACTU fell for it hook, line and sinker. The other day Sunfish said there was something fishy about di*ckson cancelling the meeting with the ACTU. Well, it was all well and truly planned. He was NEVER going to meet with them. You seriously think he would meet with a peak body of Unions?
The cancellation was just to provoke you guys, and then out came the doom and gloom. He played you like a fiddle. If Sunfish and I could see something fishy about this, and I’m no genius, then why didn’t the association and the ACTU? News grabs of members and Sharan Burrow outside the terminal whining about di*kson’s pay, while being all true, doesn’t cut it for the media war. You need king hits like the staple story. You need to get di*kson squirming like DC did.
And from my point of view inside the airline, everyone is behind you, but we’re obviously pretty limited in what we can do to help. But what has been shown to me is that the OT bans are working a treat. I would keep going with these, rather than stoppages. Stoppages they can plan for and come up with solutions.
To win this, you need to bank up so much work that it becomes impossible to work the schedule, and so that it starts to cost them big dollars. Hopefully someone on the board, or shareholders will start to see the light.
Finally (long first post, eh!), regardless of how this all pans out, you should all remove your goodwill towards the company while it is run by di*kson, and until the board puts someone in that sees people as an asset. Take you breaks, follow the procedures, be too drunk to come in for OT.
Stay strong
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kotoyebe,
I partially agree with your view that today belonged to Dick-son, although I think it may have been a narrow win for the union side only because the majority of the public are still in anti-howard mode and Dixon is his puppet-master in their view.
If anything won the day for the unions though it wasn't the ALAEA or Ms Burrow. It was the AWU calling his 'sky is falling; rhetoric a load of bull, dreamed up so he could sack people. It was also mentioned that there has been NO profit warnings!
Dick-son stands for all of John Howards HR values and he made that clear in public. Also, the public at large don't trust him since the whole APA thing.
Therefore, every time he does the 'chicken little' everyone I know rolls their eyes and takes it with a truckload of salt.
I think you'll find most of the real workers of this country.....and in that I include many middle-managers of many companies who use QF for flights around the country are quietly rooting for the LAMEs. Not because they like us but they just want to see one of these bigotted trough snorting twerps eat some humble pie for a change.
Therefore, having said all that, for Dick-son to have a win he actually needs to have a HUGE points lead on the day as most of what he says counts for nought in the public's view.
Now, if Dicko was given the push and Borghetti or Gregg stepped up and hammered us we'd probably be in real trouble from a PR sense.
But then they wouldn't.....they'd know they'd still be here in 2-3 years and needing us to help them bail QF out of the poo-filled hole Dick has led us into!!
I reckon we'll need to hold out for the profit annoncement....and when it would have been higher than forecast until the special allowance for the pesky union dispute..............
happy shareholders.....I doubt it......and grumpy instos = bye bye Geoff!!
I partially agree with your view that today belonged to Dick-son, although I think it may have been a narrow win for the union side only because the majority of the public are still in anti-howard mode and Dixon is his puppet-master in their view.
If anything won the day for the unions though it wasn't the ALAEA or Ms Burrow. It was the AWU calling his 'sky is falling; rhetoric a load of bull, dreamed up so he could sack people. It was also mentioned that there has been NO profit warnings!
Dick-son stands for all of John Howards HR values and he made that clear in public. Also, the public at large don't trust him since the whole APA thing.
Therefore, every time he does the 'chicken little' everyone I know rolls their eyes and takes it with a truckload of salt.
I think you'll find most of the real workers of this country.....and in that I include many middle-managers of many companies who use QF for flights around the country are quietly rooting for the LAMEs. Not because they like us but they just want to see one of these bigotted trough snorting twerps eat some humble pie for a change.
Therefore, having said all that, for Dick-son to have a win he actually needs to have a HUGE points lead on the day as most of what he says counts for nought in the public's view.
Now, if Dicko was given the push and Borghetti or Gregg stepped up and hammered us we'd probably be in real trouble from a PR sense.
But then they wouldn't.....they'd know they'd still be here in 2-3 years and needing us to help them bail QF out of the poo-filled hole Dick has led us into!!
I reckon we'll need to hold out for the profit annoncement....and when it would have been higher than forecast until the special allowance for the pesky union dispute..............
happy shareholders.....I doubt it......and grumpy instos = bye bye Geoff!!
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Just to let you all know, from my mouth Mr Dick-son will hence-forth be known as "The Liar"
Why?
Well, to start with I have 130000 reasons.......
plus.....
The Liar said on news.com.au
Apparently 45 minute to 2 hour delays are now considered VERY minor. I'll remember that next time I'm getting hauled across a delay report for a 20 minute blowout!!
plus....
"internationally there will be up to 2 hour delays but there has been little impact."
Oh really,
QF43 to Auckland departed 2hrs 10 min late.
QF11 to LA LA Land departed, no wait, no it didn't it's 7hrs 40min late...estimated!
QF5 to Frankfurt via Singapore left 34 minutes late, WOW, earliest it's been in days!!
QF31 to Singapore hasn't gone, nope, it's late and estimated to go 3hrs 50min late.
And lastly, the precious QF1, the flight which apparently is the only one that matters. The flight that needed an entire FAT management structure and special projects team to figure out how to get it out on time. Yes, THAT QF1
Well, obviously they've concentrated all over their "human skin repair layers" on that one so it took off on time........
....what ? it's still here? NOOOOOOOOOO
Yep, and isn't expected to get out before 4 long LATE hours have elapsed.
LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR
Added note: seems the AWU are about to enter wage negotiations........uh oh Geoff, the big 3 all at once.....LAMEs, LH Pilots AND the dreaded TWU.
OOps.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...29/2259351.htm
Why?
Well, to start with I have 130000 reasons.......
plus.....
The Liar said on news.com.au
"This morning in the four hours in Sydney we got just about every flight away with very slight delays,'' he said.
plus....
"internationally there will be up to 2 hour delays but there has been little impact."
Oh really,
QF43 to Auckland departed 2hrs 10 min late.
QF11 to LA LA Land departed, no wait, no it didn't it's 7hrs 40min late...estimated!
QF5 to Frankfurt via Singapore left 34 minutes late, WOW, earliest it's been in days!!
QF31 to Singapore hasn't gone, nope, it's late and estimated to go 3hrs 50min late.
And lastly, the precious QF1, the flight which apparently is the only one that matters. The flight that needed an entire FAT management structure and special projects team to figure out how to get it out on time. Yes, THAT QF1
Well, obviously they've concentrated all over their "human skin repair layers" on that one so it took off on time........
....what ? it's still here? NOOOOOOOOOO
Yep, and isn't expected to get out before 4 long LATE hours have elapsed.
LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR
Added note: seems the AWU are about to enter wage negotiations........uh oh Geoff, the big 3 all at once.....LAMEs, LH Pilots AND the dreaded TWU.
OOps.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...29/2259351.htm
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For the ALAEA Guys good job keep it up,its nice to have the ACTU as well explaining the real situation to the travelling public in the media.
Heard lots of reports of the great work our southern brothers and sisters are doing to keep our skys safe,by being extra vigilant during routine inspections.Keep a close eye on the log books during our breaks from work.Note everything especially whose signing,and if serious enough a CROSS report is the next option.
Nth of Bris we have been working hard to keep the skys safe.Their has been a division of the work force with some (i dont know the best word to describe them)dried wounds,trying to work around the procedures and the relevant documentation,to get aircraft serviceable.Fortuately these people(i still havent really got a non derogatory name for them) are in the minority and all the relevant information is being passed to the ALAEA.One has already resigned from the union,even though the union backed a relative of his when he was an AME in a Criminal case.
FOR EVERYONE OF THOSE OUT THERE,THIS DISPUTE WILL NOT GO ON FOREVER,BUT REMEMBER OUR MEMORIES ARE LONG ,AND THE INDUSTRY IS SMALL. SHORT TERM GAIN.............
Last thing good job everyone (almost),stand strong.
P.s Heard a snippit that the management LAME's are getting paid a bonus for every a/c signed out,anyone heard anything?
Heard lots of reports of the great work our southern brothers and sisters are doing to keep our skys safe,by being extra vigilant during routine inspections.Keep a close eye on the log books during our breaks from work.Note everything especially whose signing,and if serious enough a CROSS report is the next option.
Nth of Bris we have been working hard to keep the skys safe.Their has been a division of the work force with some (i dont know the best word to describe them)dried wounds,trying to work around the procedures and the relevant documentation,to get aircraft serviceable.Fortuately these people(i still havent really got a non derogatory name for them) are in the minority and all the relevant information is being passed to the ALAEA.One has already resigned from the union,even though the union backed a relative of his when he was an AME in a Criminal case.
FOR EVERYONE OF THOSE OUT THERE,THIS DISPUTE WILL NOT GO ON FOREVER,BUT REMEMBER OUR MEMORIES ARE LONG ,AND THE INDUSTRY IS SMALL. SHORT TERM GAIN.............
Last thing good job everyone (almost),stand strong.
P.s Heard a snippit that the management LAME's are getting paid a bonus for every a/c signed out,anyone heard anything?
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engineering stop work meetings
When the stop work meeting was on today in Syd, how did the big rat fair? Did the sneaky DMMs appear from the wood rot, can anyone shed some light for us interstaties on what happened during the meetings?
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A prayer for the cause
This is going around Tulla at the momentOur work which art in aviation
LAME be thy name
Thy EBA come
Thy will be done on Tarmac as it is in Hangers
Give us this day our 5 percent
And forgo our EBA offer as GD is against us
And lead us not into conceeding
But deliver us from the CEO
For ours is the signature,the aircraft and the airline
For all those who fly
Airmen
Keep smiling through the times ahead
No one said this would be easy
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wanty,
re your post i met with this company in the UK this week, the job i was offered was not as a scab , am considering it, i dont think that there is any problem with this , it is another role with a two year intial contract with good pay and conditions , so hopefully if i accept i wont be discriminated against.
re your post i met with this company in the UK this week, the job i was offered was not as a scab , am considering it, i dont think that there is any problem with this , it is another role with a two year intial contract with good pay and conditions , so hopefully if i accept i wont be discriminated against.
If your not put in the posy of a scab,all the best to you.
It is a forgone conclusion though that Q are in the process of employing a scab workforce to replace us or lock us out.
Good luck negotiating any payrises with productivity gains though.
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What a joke,apparently I earn only just barely over GD.
Sorry,my mistake,after doing my figures again,it appears I was way off the mark.
With my average YEARLY WAGE of $130,000 this would put me slightly over GD'S "WEEKLY" WAGE.
Thats right,G Dickson earns $128,000 every week
Now who is greedy Geoff ???
Correction,he doesn't actually "EARN" this money,but thats what he pays himself.
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Hail GD full of greed
The Board is with thee
Blessed art thou amongst share holders and blessed is the fruit of your efforts,PROFIT
GD SOB, pray for us LAMEs
Now and at the hour of our death.
The Board is with thee
Blessed art thou amongst share holders and blessed is the fruit of your efforts,PROFIT
GD SOB, pray for us LAMEs
Now and at the hour of our death.
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Be patient guys.
You've waited 2 years, whats a few more weeks/months. It will be worth it to put GD back in his place.
All you will lose is the occassional 4hrs pay. How many weeks/months does GD think he can sustain this amount of bad publicity.
I don't think the public is that offside. Policemen, Firemen, Teachers, Nurses and countless others are in the same boat and are hoping that you win so that it will boost their claim.
Despite the spin that GD constantly trots out, people aren't stupid. Even the general public are sick of GD crying wolf whilst he QF posts record profit after record profit and he gives himself obscene payrises.
The victory will be sweet.
You've waited 2 years, whats a few more weeks/months. It will be worth it to put GD back in his place.
All you will lose is the occassional 4hrs pay. How many weeks/months does GD think he can sustain this amount of bad publicity.
I don't think the public is that offside. Policemen, Firemen, Teachers, Nurses and countless others are in the same boat and are hoping that you win so that it will boost their claim.
Despite the spin that GD constantly trots out, people aren't stupid. Even the general public are sick of GD crying wolf whilst he QF posts record profit after record profit and he gives himself obscene payrises.
The victory will be sweet.
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Are RTS allowed to be signed with defects unsigned?
Are defects allowed to be written off with out maintenance manual references?
I beleive a 767 arrived in Melbourne from Sydney with this scenario.
The "LAME"that signed apparently was a Lean Smegma manager, and the paperwork copy is on its way to CASA, so I hear.
Are defects allowed to be written off with out maintenance manual references?
I beleive a 767 arrived in Melbourne from Sydney with this scenario.
The "LAME"that signed apparently was a Lean Smegma manager, and the paperwork copy is on its way to CASA, so I hear.
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Just In
Have a read of this GD rabble. What a farce. I was just on my way to meet the unions, blah, blah, blah....
From the Herald Sun
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...005961,00.html
From the Herald Sun
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...005961,00.html
QANTAS management personnel were brought in from around the country to replace Sydney engineers who walked off the job over wages this morning.
About 100 Qantas engineers protesting against a 3 per cent wage offer from the airline walked off the job in Sydney for four hours.
Qantas CEO Geoff Dixon said the replacement personnel were highly trained.
"We brought in management engineers from around the country,'' Mr Dixon said.
"I don't call anyone a strike-breaker ... the union has every right to call a strike.
"We have every right to resist it and every right to use everything that the law allows us to do to keep our airline running.''
Mr Dixon said three flights were cancelled and there had been a delay of up to 30 minutes on others.
"This morning in the four hours in Sydney we got just about every flight away with very slight delays,'' he said.
Mr Dixon said he would not negotiate with the union while strikes were ongoing.
He said a number of Qantas executives, including himself, had been on the way to Melbourne to meet union officials when the industrial action was called.
"I'm agitated a bit ... I think that our customers deserve better,'' Mr Dixon said.
"I think they (the union) are very loose with the truth.''
About 100 Qantas engineers protesting against a 3 per cent wage offer from the airline walked off the job in Sydney for four hours.
Qantas CEO Geoff Dixon said the replacement personnel were highly trained.
"We brought in management engineers from around the country,'' Mr Dixon said.
"I don't call anyone a strike-breaker ... the union has every right to call a strike.
"We have every right to resist it and every right to use everything that the law allows us to do to keep our airline running.''
Mr Dixon said three flights were cancelled and there had been a delay of up to 30 minutes on others.
"This morning in the four hours in Sydney we got just about every flight away with very slight delays,'' he said.
Mr Dixon said he would not negotiate with the union while strikes were ongoing.
He said a number of Qantas executives, including himself, had been on the way to Melbourne to meet union officials when the industrial action was called.
"I'm agitated a bit ... I think that our customers deserve better,'' Mr Dixon said.
"I think they (the union) are very loose with the truth.''