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OK cpiom what is your solution to the very big problems we as LAME's are having:
In Work
- Lack of manpower to carry out the basic tasks required to keep this Qantas Fleet of aircraft in the air.
- Lack of spares to repair or maintain most of the defects we are encountering.
- Nil training of personnel on the various aircraft types, leaving the bulk of the work and responsibility of signing to a handful of over work LAME's.
- Trying to discuss the problems of how to deal with the various situations we encounter on a day to day basis with Managers who have absolutely no idea what we do.
- Intimidation and threats on a daily basis by management to get things signed and get aircraft out.
- Constant threats, by Management, of jobs losses, sackings for trying to do your job properly
- Etc, Etc, Etc............
Outside of Work
- Struggling to pay mortgages
- Struggling to keep up with the ever increasing price increases for food.
- Struggling to pay for (wait for it) petrol to get ourselves to and from work.
- Having NO Holidays with your children, because Qantas has banded leave.
- Having No extra disposable income because we have imposed our own overtime ban.
- Etc, Etc, Etc............
Until you can come up with a constructive alternative that tackles just some of the problems we are experiencing now, kindly shut up and go away.
In Work
- Lack of manpower to carry out the basic tasks required to keep this Qantas Fleet of aircraft in the air.
- Lack of spares to repair or maintain most of the defects we are encountering.
- Nil training of personnel on the various aircraft types, leaving the bulk of the work and responsibility of signing to a handful of over work LAME's.
- Trying to discuss the problems of how to deal with the various situations we encounter on a day to day basis with Managers who have absolutely no idea what we do.
- Intimidation and threats on a daily basis by management to get things signed and get aircraft out.
- Constant threats, by Management, of jobs losses, sackings for trying to do your job properly
- Etc, Etc, Etc............
Outside of Work
- Struggling to pay mortgages
- Struggling to keep up with the ever increasing price increases for food.
- Struggling to pay for (wait for it) petrol to get ourselves to and from work.
- Having NO Holidays with your children, because Qantas has banded leave.
- Having No extra disposable income because we have imposed our own overtime ban.
- Etc, Etc, Etc............
Until you can come up with a constructive alternative that tackles just some of the problems we are experiencing now, kindly shut up and go away.
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More lies from DC.
Herald Sun this morning.
QANTAS has blasted the "deplorable" actions of engineers for delays and cancellations over the weekend.
The airline would not say how many flights had been affected but said disruptions were higher than normal.
Qantas engineers held a four-hour stopwork meeting from 8am on Friday as part of a pay dispute.
Qantas engineering executive general manager David Cox yesterday said a go-slow by engineers was to blame for weekend disruptions.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association is seeking a 5 per cent pay rise, but Qantas insists it will not change its 3 per cent a year wages policy.
The association has said it may consider two-day strikes.
Herald Sun this morning.
QANTAS has blasted the "deplorable" actions of engineers for delays and cancellations over the weekend.
The airline would not say how many flights had been affected but said disruptions were higher than normal.
Qantas engineers held a four-hour stopwork meeting from 8am on Friday as part of a pay dispute.
Qantas engineering executive general manager David Cox yesterday said a go-slow by engineers was to blame for weekend disruptions.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association is seeking a 5 per cent pay rise, but Qantas insists it will not change its 3 per cent a year wages policy.
The association has said it may consider two-day strikes.
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Heard QF1 has been re-sched to 1030am, apparently all the city hotel rooms were already full of QF pax by the time the extended curfew was missed, 1145pm, so they had to be sent out parramatta way to find an available room!! 4 Jumbos grounded o'night in syd, and the only thing we have done is to stop doing overtime, we're not even trying yet!! Thanks MH !!
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DC= Dumb C@#t
David,
may I suggest to you and all of your sh!tpot subordinate managers to get off your collective coits and, heaven forbid, come down to the floor where the real work gets done, and not just for 5 minutes and then F off to the next B.S meeting, and exerience first hand what your mangement has done to the way we have to operate on a day to day basis, and only then may you understand, although I doubt it very much, the reasons why there are mounting delays across the network.
If you think it is because of a "go slow" as you imply then you are truly out of touch with your department. I experience first hand every day and night whilst on shift the frustration of my Seniors at the sheer lack of manpower for the workload and the continual "road blocks" that QE procedures put in place to inhibit our ability to carry out a task.
As has been previously posted many times in this thread it is quite often in spite of QE management and procedures that aircraft depart on time due to the profesionalism of the LAME's on the floor.
So continue on with your staff disengaging media statements David, it only adds to our resolve.
may I suggest to you and all of your sh!tpot subordinate managers to get off your collective coits and, heaven forbid, come down to the floor where the real work gets done, and not just for 5 minutes and then F off to the next B.S meeting, and exerience first hand what your mangement has done to the way we have to operate on a day to day basis, and only then may you understand, although I doubt it very much, the reasons why there are mounting delays across the network.
If you think it is because of a "go slow" as you imply then you are truly out of touch with your department. I experience first hand every day and night whilst on shift the frustration of my Seniors at the sheer lack of manpower for the workload and the continual "road blocks" that QE procedures put in place to inhibit our ability to carry out a task.
As has been previously posted many times in this thread it is quite often in spite of QE management and procedures that aircraft depart on time due to the profesionalism of the LAME's on the floor.
So continue on with your staff disengaging media statements David, it only adds to our resolve.
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Dear CP input output module.
A term used in military/Airbus avionic speak, so we can guess a bit more of your background.
Refer to my previous post which you obviously didn't read.
"Read" by the way, means to actually look at the words and digest the content.
I know a lot of LAMEs too. My motives are pure, my actions legal and my opinions are mine (Is this not a democracy?). Again, I say to you, read my previous post.
I didn't at all, there are some absolutely great guys and girls in the service. I work and socialise with them often. ............. you know what to do, read my previous post.
In this case I suggest you read all of your own posts again.
Have a nice day
A term used in military/Airbus avionic speak, so we can guess a bit more of your background.
My point is proven. Big Unit and Negative Feedback, you both resort to childish name calling and unprofessional/inept behaviour.
"Read" by the way, means to actually look at the words and digest the content.
In actual fact I know a lot of professional LAME's and they have my full respect. Your cause also had my support (with some reservation). As I said "it had". "LAME's" like you will lose this for all, as you will effectively lose public support, with your denegration of anybody who would dare question your motives and actions.
On top of this you have the audacity to also have a go at our defence force personnel!! The crazziness of the situation may be getting to you.
You have lost my support. It is amazing what a small vocal minority can do!
Have a nice day
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Ground Running Approval.
It would appear that QANTAS has reacted with record speed to remove the newly ammended requirements for engine run approvals. Obviously the thought that the fleet could be grounded because no one could carry out a run sent alarm bells ringing late yesterday afternoon. Perhaps some thought might go into future ammendments but I won't hold my breathe. As the saying goes "Live in hope and die in dispair."
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QF aircraft are supporting LAME's
It is almost as if the aircraft are on the LAME's side.
I have never seen so many show stopping defects appear in such a short time. Sure there are overtime bans but 9 times out of 10 no amount of manpower can prevent a last minute defect from delaying a service.
There have been accusations of "go slows" and even more sinister things but if MH, DC or even GD came to have a look at what was actually causing most of these serious delays they would find that it is just random defects at unfortunate times (for the schedule).
If managment want to talk about "go slows" somone should ask them about an 18 month EBA "go slow".
I have never seen so many show stopping defects appear in such a short time. Sure there are overtime bans but 9 times out of 10 no amount of manpower can prevent a last minute defect from delaying a service.
There have been accusations of "go slows" and even more sinister things but if MH, DC or even GD came to have a look at what was actually causing most of these serious delays they would find that it is just random defects at unfortunate times (for the schedule).
If managment want to talk about "go slows" somone should ask them about an 18 month EBA "go slow".
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DC. That media blurb was a bad, bad move. You have just made it personal with the LAME's, who despite disgustingly low manpower levels and an ever increasing workload, were continuing to work through most of their smoko breaks in a vein attempt to make schedule. After that utter pile of crap you spoke about in the herald sun, with regards to go slows, you may be staring down the barrel of one huge go slow.
How about you show some balls and come down to the floor and work with us for one block (2 days and 2 nights). At least that way you could apologise in person after you see the ****fight that you and MH have caused. I wish i could express how i feel about you and your team but the mod's would ban me for life.
How about you show some balls and come down to the floor and work with us for one block (2 days and 2 nights). At least that way you could apologise in person after you see the ****fight that you and MH have caused. I wish i could express how i feel about you and your team but the mod's would ban me for life.
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More lies from DC.
Herald Sun this morning.
QANTAS has blasted the "deplorable" actions of engineers for delays and cancellations over the weekend.
The airline would not say how many flights had been affected but said disruptions were higher than normal.
Qantas engineers held a four-hour stopwork meeting from 8am on Friday as part of a pay dispute.
Qantas engineering executive general manager David Cox yesterday said a go-slow by engineers was to blame for weekend disruptions.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association is seeking a 5 per cent pay rise, but Qantas insists it will not change its 3 per cent a year wages policy.
The association has said it may consider two-day strikes.
Herald Sun this morning.
QANTAS has blasted the "deplorable" actions of engineers for delays and cancellations over the weekend.
The airline would not say how many flights had been affected but said disruptions were higher than normal.
Qantas engineers held a four-hour stopwork meeting from 8am on Friday as part of a pay dispute.
Qantas engineering executive general manager David Cox yesterday said a go-slow by engineers was to blame for weekend disruptions.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association is seeking a 5 per cent pay rise, but Qantas insists it will not change its 3 per cent a year wages policy.
The association has said it may consider two-day strikes.
In response to today’s article regarding our ongoing pay dispute with the “GREEDY” Qantas board.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23793714-662,00.html
I for one am quite offended by David Cox’s assertion that I or any of my colleagues are “On a go slow”.
The simple answer to any and all delays at Qantas is this.
For years Qantas have bolted on to their system of maintenance a thing called “PPM” Policies and procedures manual.
Ordinarily at Qantas, Engineers follow this “PPM” to the letter and operations run smooth, ”PROVIDING ENGINEERS WORK A PLETHORA OF OVERTIME”.
Due to the fact Qantas will not budge from their “OUTDATED POLICY” of capped 3% wage increases, we now find ourselves in this “COMPLETELY LEGAL” situation of "Overtime bans"
This situation, coupled with a severe shortage of licensed engineer’s currently at Qantas, due to management cutbacks in pursuit of “MANAGEMENT BONUSES”
is “SOLELY TO BLAME”.
Why should I or any of my work colleagues work any harder or faster than normal and place ourselves in danger of making an error, which could be
costly to the flying public. I for one treat every plane I work on as though “MY FAMILY IS FLYING ON THIS FLIGHT”.
Sounds to me like someone above me in the chain of command wants us to “PUT SCHEDULE AHEAD OF SAFETY”.
If there aren’t enough Lames on shift due to overtime restrictions to get the work done, then I suggest to look at the people who have the biggest influence
on overall engineering numbers and the “LACK” of training.
Good luck with the above suggestion, as I’m tipping management will be too busy number crunching their next bonuses to care about the flying public.
Would also be nice if the HERALD SUN were a bit more balanced in their disclosure of published wages.
Engineers “Fictitious" wages of $130,000 per annum.
Geoff Dickson’s REAL WAGES OF $130,000 PER WEEK
SIGNED,
ANGRY.
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Qantas engineering executive general manager David Cox yesterday said a go-slow by engineers was to blame for weekend disruptions.
what a go slow would be like. ( ie take you legal meal breaks on time) that is all it will take and that is not even a go slow it is what is legal....
Looks like all the 744ER A checks are coming due this week. (Hint hint Fed Sec)
It would appear that QANTAS has reacted with record speed to remove the newly ammended requirements for engine run approvals.
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Heard QF1 has been re-sched to 1030am, apparently all the city hotel rooms were already full of QF pax by the time the extended curfew was missed, 1145pm, so they had to be sent out parramatta way to find an available room!! 4 Jumbos grounded o'night in syd, and the only thing we have done is to stop doing overtime, we're not even trying yet!! Thanks MH !!
mate, the Perth classics' contents plus the passengers from the QF11 spent the night in the Qantas club in the domestic terminal due to NO hotel rooms.!!!
How the heck has that NOT made the papers.....easy.......want our advertising dollars......tow the line!!
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Just a thought,
maybe Dixon is going to build a Hotel around Arncliffe for his retirement.
The way he has run down QE his rooms will have 100% occupancy from cancelled
QANTAS flights.
maybe Dixon is going to build a Hotel around Arncliffe for his retirement.
The way he has run down QE his rooms will have 100% occupancy from cancelled
QANTAS flights.
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Keep up the overtime bans indefinately until Dicko is ousted by the rest of the board. All we want is whats fair Geoff. 3% is below inflation.
..QF DAY 1
...QF DAY 2
....QF DAY 3
.....QF DAY 4
......QF DAY 5
.......QF DAY 6
........QF DAY 7
.........QF DAY 8
..........QF DAY 9
...........QF DAY 10
....... = Delays
Notice a pattern here Geoff, the red stonewall is QF engineers. Every aircraft you try and get passed us just gets blocked by defect after defect. God bless the "PPM"
Oh yeah, in case you didn't work it out,notice the delays getting longer and longer and longer.
PS
............................................. ............................................QF
CITY HOTELS RUBBING THIER HANDS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
..QF DAY 1...QF DAY 2....QF DAY 3.....QF DAY 4......QF DAY 5.......QF DAY 6........QF DAY 7.........QF DAY 8..........QF DAY 9...........QF DAY 10....... = Delays
Notice a pattern here Geoff, the red stonewall is QF engineers. Every aircraft you try and get passed us just gets blocked by defect after defect. God bless the "PPM"
Oh yeah, in case you didn't work it out,notice the delays getting longer and longer and longer.
PS
............................................. ............................................QFCITY HOTELS RUBBING THIER HANDS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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I dare you to publicly name which flight and a particular engineer for causing a delay "illegally" COX !!!!
You'll be talken to court and sued so quickly you won't know what hit you.
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I would suggest we add a few extra caveats to our demands;
"At the conclusion of this EBA, we, the engineers of QE, refuse to co-operate with the following managers and demand their immediate removal from their positions.
DC
MH
KM
DH"
How's that sound ?
hell, I'd take 4% if that happened!!
Perhaps they could hire a few Lufthansa guys to right the sinking ship before it's too late.........
"At the conclusion of this EBA, we, the engineers of QE, refuse to co-operate with the following managers and demand their immediate removal from their positions.
DC
MH
KM
DH"
How's that sound ?
hell, I'd take 4% if that happened!!
Perhaps they could hire a few Lufthansa guys to right the sinking ship before it's too late.........
Go Slow!!!
An absolute insult to the highest degree.To even suggest what he has said is a low low act.It really shows just how far removed and disengaged our management is.As has been suggested a few hours spent at the coal face is obviously needed.
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On time departures
Information from www.flightstats.com
May 31 - 66%
June 01 66%
So far June 2 66%
From Qantas.com:
Qf11 Due Sunday 01 June 13:20. Departed Monday 02 June 11:46 - 20 hours 26 minutes LATE
QF01 Due Sunday 01 June 17:00. Departed Monday 02 June 10:37 - 17 Hours 37 minutes LATE
and guess what DC.....both were NOT due to slow work but due to crap aeroplanes which have had very poor heavy maintenance inspections which failed to find basic yet long-fix defects!!!!!
.....and so the snowball grows bigger........
Information from www.flightstats.com
May 31 - 66%
June 01 66%
So far June 2 66%
From Qantas.com:
Qf11 Due Sunday 01 June 13:20. Departed Monday 02 June 11:46 - 20 hours 26 minutes LATE
QF01 Due Sunday 01 June 17:00. Departed Monday 02 June 10:37 - 17 Hours 37 minutes LATE
and guess what DC.....both were NOT due to slow work but due to crap aeroplanes which have had very poor heavy maintenance inspections which failed to find basic yet long-fix defects!!!!!
.....and so the snowball grows bigger........
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Go slow, anyone know the "uncontrolled reference" for replacement of a 387 light bulb in p5 panel lighting on a maggot ????
No, guess I'll have to go and look myself or await my EA !!!
No need for 48 hour stoppages. OT bans working a treat,coupled with no more goodwill,these bans unstoppable. My opinion only of course.
The whole system soon to ground to a halt on it's own.
Internal pain is the HARDEST to fix but easily fixed with the right numbers(5%) thrown at the problem.
No, guess I'll have to go and look myself or await my EA !!!
No need for 48 hour stoppages. OT bans working a treat,coupled with no more goodwill,these bans unstoppable. My opinion only of course.
The whole system soon to ground to a halt on it's own.
Internal pain is the HARDEST to fix but easily fixed with the right numbers(5%)
thrown at the problem.