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Knuckledragger, you are the man!!!
thosecotos, please bear in mind that not all LAME's get 100k+ for signing one type, most QF LAME's sign 2 or more types for 75k including a fist full of O/T
thosecotos, please bear in mind that not all LAME's get 100k+ for signing one type, most QF LAME's sign 2 or more types for 75k including a fist full of O/T
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thosecotos, please bear in mind that not all LAME's get 100k+ for signing one type, most QF LAME's sign 2 or more types for 75k including a fist full of O/T
And while you're at it, have your shift penalties included into your base so your super (and overtime rate) goes up. We do and so do JQ.
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We've had a vote, we told the executive we want 5%, why the 
would they even bother putting a lesser offer to us for consideration ?
Which vote was that one SpannerTwister?
The p.i.a. vote was to advance the e.b.a. negotiations.
5% would be nice, when the proposal is distributed i would
not be surprised if >50% of members get more than that.
All the briefs so far talk about the total packaged percentage.
If thats the case, the exec just might let us consider it,
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would they even bother putting a lesser offer to us for consideration ? Which vote was that one SpannerTwister?
The p.i.a. vote was to advance the e.b.a. negotiations.
5% would be nice, when the proposal is distributed i would
not be surprised if >50% of members get more than that.
All the briefs so far talk about the total packaged percentage.
If thats the case, the exec just might let us consider it,
.
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thosecotos, please bear in mind that not all LAME's get 100k+ for signing one type, most QF LAME's sign 2 or more types for 75k including a fist full of O/T
I have two licences. Only a few months ago, I was worse off than my VB colleagues with a single licence. I looked on with envy as they received Embraer and EASA training while my own management fiddled as Rome burned... I wanted to leave QF but I wouldnt go without a redundancy. It just didnt make financial sense... and I had that remnant of optimism whisper from adark corner, "Things will get better!"
After years of service points accrual and a level increase, I'm finally roughly on parity with my VB colleagues. While I've had my share of disappointments, I consider myself lucky having received even limited QF paid training, compared to many other LAMEs, especially some of my Black-hander brothers, who've had to pay for their single licence. This was reinforced when at the feedback meeting the ALAEA Prez compared the pay grades of JQ, VB, QF and JHAS LAMEs with a single licence.
Now the only thing that keeps me employed at QF is the desire to outlast MH, DC and GD and HOPEFULLY see a turnaround in a once-proud icon. Oh, and that little remnant of optimism.
Any LAME on less than Level 8 should welcome the success of JHAS etc. They all pay their single licence LAMEs very well, they are training and they are employing. If this company doesn't turn around, my bet is quite a few LAMEs, myself included will say, "You know what? F
K the redundancy - I can't continue to mortgage my soul, job satisfaction and happiness in the hope of a lump sum that may or may not be on offer in the future. I'm off to JHAS/VB/V Aus/JQ/Tiger. I've had enough!"
And while you're at it, have your shift penalties included into your base so your super (and overtime rate) goes up. We do and so do JQ...both largely non unionised workforces, forgotten by the Q.L.A.E.A
Ouch that hurt. The truth I mean. Perhaps we can write that down for our NEXT log of claims?HOWEVER, we DO get paid overtime if we stay back at the end of a shift, from the minute it starts, not 2 hours later... only a small recompense in comparison. And I hear on the grapevine that VB LAMEs are not entirely happy with their management. Not point scoring - just scoping the ground in case the "I've had enough!" moment comes sooner than I expected.
As for the EBA. All will be revealed tomorrow! If the members of the executive are looking and sounding like the cat that got the cream, then it can't be too bad eh?
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This is what they want you to do. Saves them a payout. Hang in there brother and bring them down with you. Bury yourself in the bull excrement that they have created and delay, delay, delay!!!! After a while you will begin to enjoy your job again.
If this company doesn't turn around, my bet is quite a few LAMEs, myself included will say, "You know what? FK the redundancy - I can't continue to mortgage my soul, job satisfaction and happiness in the hope of a lump sum that may or may not be on offer in the future. I'm off to JHAS/VB/V Aus/JQ/Tiger. I've had enough!"
This is what they want you to do. Saves them a payout. Hang in there brother and bring them down with you. Bury yourself in the bull excrement that they have created and delay, delay, delay!!!! After a while you will begin to enjoy your job again.
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Hang in there brother and bring them down with you. Bury yourself in the bull excrement that they have created and delay, delay, delay!!!! After a while you will begin to enjoy your job again.
ck-fingers aren't you? You've fked everything you've touched.
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Just a thought..... why not get your own avionic base employees to
service the IFE, no contract to worry about, plus the guys are already being paid.
Ops, thats too logical. (Crawls back under his rock).
P.I.A. soon?
service the IFE, no contract to worry about, plus the guys are already being paid.
Ops, thats too logical. (Crawls back under his rock).
P.I.A. soon?
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Strong words there Kone, as much as we disagree with M.H.'s
messages within a.c.s., i prefer to direct my contempt to D.C..
My eyes nearly fell out of my head when his latest creation appeared,
it's a fabulous framed picture of two strategy maps next to each other.
Does this man really think his bridges of trust and 4 of 5 pillars, his
cardinal rules, and the other pyramid schemes like intelligent space
are usefull in the maintenance of aircraft.
messages within a.c.s., i prefer to direct my contempt to D.C..
My eyes nearly fell out of my head when his latest creation appeared,
it's a fabulous framed picture of two strategy maps next to each other.
Does this man really think his bridges of trust and 4 of 5 pillars, his
cardinal rules, and the other pyramid schemes like intelligent space
are usefull in the maintenance of aircraft.
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Good for some,
Not for others.
Now who were those scabs again???
how about Mr **** ****** and *** ***** not forgetting ********
Long memories gentlemen!
Not for others.
Now who were those scabs again???
how about Mr **** ****** and *** ***** not forgetting ********
Long memories gentlemen!
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From Trading room.com.au
Qantas Airways Limited ABN 16 009 661 901
Further information and media releases can be found at the Qantas website: qantas.com
QANTAS REACHES AGREEMENT WITH ENGINEERS
SYDNEY, 5 February 2008: Qantas said today that it had reached an ‘in principle’ Enterprise
Bargaining Agreement (EBA) with the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA).
The new four-year agreement, which will be the subject of a formal vote, covers nearly 1,600 Qantas
Engineering employees.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the agreement was important for the
Qantas Group and its employees.
“The agreement has been the subject of intense negotiations in recent weeks and will create a
foundation for jobs growth in Qantas, as well as providing a solid base for aircraft maintenance in
Australia,” Mr Dixon said.
“It will also provide certainty regarding pay and conditions over a four-year period and will provide
Qantas Engineering with the workplace cooperation, flexibility, and efficiencies it needs to meet cost
and competitive pressures.”
Key features of the agreement, which are consistent with those reached with other Qantas unions,
include:
�� an annual wage increase of three per cent, backdated to January 2007;
�� an increase in company superannuation contributions in accumulation funds to no less than 10
per cent, with employees in defined benefit schemes also able to salary sacrifice their employee
contributions; and
�� changes to the number and spread of part-time and casual employees and the lifting of
restrictions on the use of fixed term contract employment.
The agreement also covers a range of issues related to Qantas Engineering’s heavy maintenance
operations, including greater roster flexibility at key heavy maintenance bases.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (3716)
Media Enquiries: Lloyd Quartermaine T: 02 9691 4058
Further information and media releases can be found at the Qantas website: qantas.com
QANTAS REACHES AGREEMENT WITH ENGINEERS
SYDNEY, 5 February 2008: Qantas said today that it had reached an ‘in principle’ Enterprise
Bargaining Agreement (EBA) with the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA).
The new four-year agreement, which will be the subject of a formal vote, covers nearly 1,600 Qantas
Engineering employees.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the agreement was important for the
Qantas Group and its employees.
“The agreement has been the subject of intense negotiations in recent weeks and will create a
foundation for jobs growth in Qantas, as well as providing a solid base for aircraft maintenance in
Australia,” Mr Dixon said.
“It will also provide certainty regarding pay and conditions over a four-year period and will provide
Qantas Engineering with the workplace cooperation, flexibility, and efficiencies it needs to meet cost
and competitive pressures.”
Key features of the agreement, which are consistent with those reached with other Qantas unions,
include:
�� an annual wage increase of three per cent, backdated to January 2007;
�� an increase in company superannuation contributions in accumulation funds to no less than 10
per cent, with employees in defined benefit schemes also able to salary sacrifice their employee
contributions; and
�� changes to the number and spread of part-time and casual employees and the lifting of
restrictions on the use of fixed term contract employment.
The agreement also covers a range of issues related to Qantas Engineering’s heavy maintenance
operations, including greater roster flexibility at key heavy maintenance bases.
Issued by Qantas Corporate Communication (3716)
Media Enquiries: Lloyd Quartermaine T: 02 9691 4058
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Looks like the deal is near to being done. Don't know about you guys and gals but, whilst it's not what everybody wanted, it was a negotiation and I doubt too many of us could have gotten any better.
Changes are often acheived an inch at a time. Hopefully by the time the next EBA negotiation comes around, work choices will be a distant memory, and we can advance our cause a little further.
Thoughts anybody?
http://www.alaea.asn.au/CMS/plainTex...%20Outcome.pdf
Changes are often acheived an inch at a time. Hopefully by the time the next EBA negotiation comes around, work choices will be a distant memory, and we can advance our cause a little further.
Thoughts anybody?
http://www.alaea.asn.au/CMS/plainTex...%20Outcome.pdf
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Looks like the deal is done. If what is said here is to be believe, it would appear as though the new Qantas flagship will indeed be maintained in-house (primarily)
Along with a commitment to A330 and Narrow body heavy maintenance being kept on-shore.
Opinions??
http://www.alaea.asn.au/CMS/plainTex...%20Outcome.pdf
Along with a commitment to A330 and Narrow body heavy maintenance being kept on-shore.
Opinions??
http://www.alaea.asn.au/CMS/plainTex...%20Outcome.pdf
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Look, the xpt and definition of an employee clauses had the potential to do all qantas lame's massive damage down the track. They would have been used to smash us even more, so for mine the fact that they are out is a win. I think the assn guys have done a stand up job in what I can only imagine would have been trying and painfull circumstances. They particularly got things moving towards the end of last year.
Is it to my personal liking? Well I'm still digesting it, but on balance at this stage I can't honestly say that I'm against it. For what it's worth, I think this eclipses the offer the company put up originally, that same offer that management and some DE's said was great and a top deal (we remember who you are), compared to the starting point of that insult it is a win.
The more important question now, however, is where does M fit into all this. That is several times now that he has stamped his feet only to have his superiors sort the problem out..........
Is it to my personal liking? Well I'm still digesting it, but on balance at this stage I can't honestly say that I'm against it. For what it's worth, I think this eclipses the offer the company put up originally, that same offer that management and some DE's said was great and a top deal (we remember who you are), compared to the starting point of that insult it is a win.
The more important question now, however, is where does M fit into all this. That is several times now that he has stamped his feet only to have his superiors sort the problem out..........
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I don't know Satos. 3% + 1% super. Not to mention some of the other fiddles. I agree, it's not a home run victory but, we live to fight another day. A day when our negotiating team isn't hamstrung by work choices.
Like I said in another thread, sometimes these changes can only occur a little bit at a time. I too would have prefered 5% but, better to have what is on offer than to see the H/Maint brothers outsourced/sold up an asian river someplace. It isn't perfect but, rarely is any negotiated outcome between two parties who can't stand each other.
Only my opinion.
Like I said in another thread, sometimes these changes can only occur a little bit at a time. I too would have prefered 5% but, better to have what is on offer than to see the H/Maint brothers outsourced/sold up an asian river someplace. It isn't perfect but, rarely is any negotiated outcome between two parties who can't stand each other.
Only my opinion.