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NutLoose 17th August 2023 09:37

And the latest Russian propagandist dross from Skabeeva the beaver (unconfirmed)

Michelle Obama is a transgender.


NutLoose 17th August 2023 09:38

Latest front news

The training camp clip was on the end of post 3992


NutLoose 17th August 2023 09:50

Excellent thread on the Russian's repairing the stored tanks etc, if you cannot see it all, let me know how far down you can and I will repost the other parts.


NutLoose 17th August 2023 09:58

This shows the impact drones are having on modern warfare, posted by Nolan Peterson


A quick anecdote to underscore the value of drones for Ukraine.

This weekend I sat down with a Ukrainian SOF drone operator, and he described an operation in which a Ukrainian mortar unit fired 46 120 mm rounds at a Russian target — only 1 out of those 46 shots was a direct hit.

The SOF drone team then took over.

Using a single drone, they flew four back-to-back sorties and dropped four 120 mm rounds (taken from the nearby mortar unit) on the Russian target. Four out of four direct hits. The target was done.

In an attritional war in which ammunition supplies are a limiting factor, drones are a potent force multiplier.

They are an invaluable way to increase precision — both through ISR, as well as strikes — in order to maximize the effect of available ammunition.

NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:02

The Azov brigade has returned to combat duties.



NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:05

Thales Austrailia has supplied Ukraine with the latest ACAR assault rifles.


NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:22

Hmmm indeed



NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:34

The shooting down of the KA-52 mentioned earlier


It appears they lost 2


NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:39

Germany to buy Israeli Air defence system!!!


vne165 17th August 2023 10:40

Nutloose - just thanks for your work here. It is my go-to to every day.
Wish it wasn't so, but grateful for the updates

NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:41

More fires in Russia, a metallurgical plant this time


NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:44

Another Challenger 2 spotted.


Tartiflette Fan 17th August 2023 10:51


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11486248)
Excellent thread on the Russian's repairing the stored tanks etc, if you cannot see it all, let me know how far down you can and I will repost the other parts.



https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...50777782251532

I can't read anything beyond what you have posted: if I click on it, I see exactly the same .

NutLoose 17th August 2023 10:52

Ukrainians evacuating wounded from a minefield.


NutLoose 17th August 2023 11:00

Amazing footage, surprised that it is operating more or less independently without infantry or fellow tank support


B Fraser 17th August 2023 12:17


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11486229)
Western weapons are not that good, nor is NATO training...https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/st...81408175464844

"America could not hold Afghanistan" ...... Would that be the same Afghanistan where the Russians had a prolonged kicking ? That chap is either seriously ill-informed or has memory loss issues.

ORAC 17th August 2023 14:26

Western weapons not good?

Ask the Russian army….

Interesting, a bit long, post here from Russian Colonel Shuvalov discussing the effect of the Ukrainian cluster munitions
and how the Russian equivalents are not nearly as good if exist at all, showing how Shoygu's threats are empty.
(source: t.me/shouvalov/45):


"And again about cluster munitions. It's hard for me to understand why we need to manipulate statistics if the response we’re getting for showing off results in collossal, real difficulites.

I already wrote about cluster munitions before - t.me/shouvalov/20.

Basically, nothing has changed, but a lot needs to be added. Information, now in full measure, reached the authorities that everything was not as it seemed in the initial reports. It is impossible not to take into account the factor of modern Western cluster munitions - they shamelessly mow down both fighters at the front (not only at the front) and civilian infrastructure in the rear.

Civil infrastructure is a separate topic. Recently, there was an arrival in Tokmak, which terribly slashed trucks and drivers. The Defense Ministry decided not to focus on this, because there was a risk of reciprocal publication of data from the enemy with arguments that the civilian targets were not quite simple and not very civilian.

But there were comrades in the camp of military correspondents who unleashed their anger towards the vile NATO members on the heads of readers, and attached videos as proof. This is something the enemy might not have had. And now the enemy can quite boldly show that the goals were legal from a military point of view. And all by our hands...

We had to throw all our efforts into blocking the supply of cluster munitions to Ukraine: to declare that we would not use such munitions, to tear apart the Europeans, who have cluster munitions banned. There was a chance. But they played us, we happily fell for it and declared that we had these clusters munitions, whole landfills of them, not just stockpiles.

Yes, we have many. You can search for photos. For the most part, it’s an illiquid asset killed by time, the rest - is morally and technically obsolete. And things are not very good with carriers either.

Now you can’t roll back the situation, and when you are caught being weak, it’s silly to try and scare them. The General Staff already understands this, but they cannot bring the situation even higher, there is no solution.

The guys on the front line are taking the beating, and it's not easy at all. In the context of problems with medicine, wounds from cluster munitions often result in death, and this is a very painful and terrible death.

The enemy has learned (yes, imagine, they are also learning!) to cut off the path of reinforcements or withdrawal of forces with artillery, and trenches do not save from cluster munitions. You can’t save yourself with a bandage or a tourniquet, after being hit with cluster munitions you need solid medical care, if you managed to survive.

In the trenches, a terrible mess is formed from the living and the dying, who are sometimes completely impossible to help.

In such cases, the enemy methodically waits for those of our forces that rush to help their comrades. I saw all this in Chechnya, when a sniper left a wounded man to pull other guys to him. This happened in single occasions, but with cluster munitions, everything is the same, but scaled tens and hundreds of times.

We need counter-battery fire, but it is not there. We need a lot of things, but first of all, need to finally admit the problem exists and start solving it, and not throw around the words like “we’re going to smash you!”.

It is not some colonel in a hospital bed that is yelling about the cluster munitioins - the voices of hundreds of guys dying in terrible agony in the trenches and the widows of hundreds killed by them in just these couple of weeks are shouting to you about these problems. And I specifically do not specify whether there are really hundreds, or already thousands - we will not please the enemy with statistics.
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The army needs a solution. The cluster situation is terrible, and worst of all, we try to silence the problem when we need a solution. And this is already beyond the capabilities of individual generals and commanders. We made threats with words, now let's get down to business."

ORAC 17th August 2023 14:41

The Baltic States and Poland will consider a complete closure of the border with Belarus on August 28, said Lithuanian Interior Minister Agnė Bilotaitė.

Saab Dastard 17th August 2023 15:06


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11486297)
I can't read anything beyond what you have posted: if I click on it, I see exactly the same .


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11486248)
Excellent thread on the Russian's repairing the stored tanks etc, if you cannot see it all, let me know how far down you can and I will repost the other parts.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/st...50777782251532

Here it is on Threadreader:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...782251532.html

Tartiflette Fan 17th August 2023 16:06

Thanks, SD


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