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Tartiflette Fan 4th Nov 2022 19:52


Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11325543)
In a war? I would rather use it than examine it.

Really langley ? A hell of a lot better to get more Himars - or ATACMS if it's sufficiently highly valued - in a swap. Hugely more valuable than one more tank.

NutLoose 4th Nov 2022 20:12


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11325561)
Really langley ? A hell of a lot better to get more Himars - or ATACMS if it's sufficiently highly valued - in a swap. Hugely more valuable than one more tank.

I agree,to study it is to learn it’s weak points and introduce work arounds that far outweigh the operational effect of one tank and it aids you being able to kill others of the type with your current fleet.. All I can think is they maybe captured more than one, and the other was kept quiet and whisked away to interested parties..

T28B 4th Nov 2022 20:13

Very interesting point that General Hodges makes about the "weaponization of refugees" at about minute 26.
​​​​​​​See also at about minute 32 "Russia has a China problem"
TF, thank you for that link/video. :ok:

NutLoose 4th Nov 2022 20:14

More on our winter of discontent as we burn down our forests to keep warm.


Tartiflette Fan 4th Nov 2022 20:24


Originally Posted by T28B (Post 11325572)
Very interesting point that General Hodges makes about the "weaponization of refugees" at about minute 26.
See also at about minute 32 "Russia has a China problem"
TF, thank you for that link/video. :ok:

De nada. hombre. It hadn't immediately occurred to me, but there might be a direct link to the Poland/Kaliningrad fence there.

ORAC 4th Nov 2022 20:34

There has been a lot of posts about Russian concrete bunkers being placed in Kherson on both the left & right bank of the Dnipro river.

In this 🧵we will examine Russia's "Concrete theater" against some hard reality taken from this US Army Engineer branch technical report.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...651621377.html

Tartiflette Fan 4th Nov 2022 20:37


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11325573)
More on our winter of discontent as we burn down our forests to keep warm.



https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...09910780280832

It really is astonishing to witness the degree of disconnect between Russian public announcements and the hilarity that their nonsense will be met with in the West. If they could see it, would these fools cringe, or would decades of "Russia is Great " propaganda have destroyed all critical faculties ? Personally, I think the lines about " they will soon come to Russia because there will be nothing to eat in Europe " as the most humorous and insightful.

langleybaston 4th Nov 2022 21:08


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11325570)
I agree,to study it is to learn it’s weak points and introduce work arounds that far outweigh the operational effect of one tank and it aids you being able to kill others of the type with your current fleet.. All I can think is they maybe captured more than one, and the other was kept quiet and whisked away to interested parties..

Might be difficult to get its current crew/ troop/ regiment to give it up though!

NutLoose 4th Nov 2022 21:15

The thing with an Army Langley is oddly enough, they issue orders not requests..

langleybaston 4th Nov 2022 21:46


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11325609)
The thing with an Army Langley is oddly enough, they issue orders not requests..

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Yes, I noticed that when I was S Met O 1BR Corps.

However, military history is rich with examples of units holding non-inventory items, it certainly would not be the first time that the chain of command was kept in the dark, or turned a blind eye.
One account I recently read is of a Mountain battery, British India, with a complete "spare gun", brand new, built from indented parts, and hidden from inspection awaiting the day it was needed against Japan.

In the current case, if I were CO regiment fighting for survival, I might take a short term view The analogy is a Conqueror among Centurions and a Firefly among Shermans.
The Bde commander [or however UKR organises] needs to know about the trophy to issue what would be a very sensible order.

meleagertoo 4th Nov 2022 23:02


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11325589)
It really is astonishing to witness the degree of disconnect between Russian public announcements and the hilarity that their nonsense will be met with in the West.t

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What really is astonishing is the naiivety of people who swallow this guff and don't recognise its reality as pure propaganda!
Bejasus!

Wokkafans 4th Nov 2022 23:10


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11325425)
Nutloose re your burning ship above with 600 cars, and the Japanese doing nothing to help, do you have any further links? It sounds very uncharacteristic, and I can find nothing to back up this story.


It's a ship burning off Sri Lanka in 2021

https://news.yahoo.com/sri-lanka-eva...124841347.html

NutLoose 4th Nov 2022 23:21


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11325644)
It's a ship burning off Sri Lanka in 2021

https://news.yahoo.com/sri-lanka-eva...124841347.html


I took the original down when it was disproved.

Sue Vêtements 4th Nov 2022 23:25


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11325641)
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What really is astonishing is the naiivety of people who swallow this guff and don't recognise its reality as pure propaganda!
Bejasus!

You know, there are plenty of people on "our side" who swallow similar nonsense. Plenty

ORAC 4th Nov 2022 23:40

CNN: 1,300 Starlinks in Ukraine go offline due to funding issues.

Ukraine’s fears that its military will lose access to the Starlink internet service deepened after 1,300 satellite units went offline, CNN reported, citing two anonymous sources familiar with the issue.

dead_pan 5th Nov 2022 10:29

With all the talk previously of threat posed by hypersonic (hyper-expensive) weapons, it's interesting to think the real game changers in Ukraine have been those improvised weapons cobbled together using old moped and jetski engines...

NutLoose 5th Nov 2022 11:30


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11325779)
With all the talk previously of threat posed by hypersonic (hyper-expensive) weapons, it's interesting to think the real game changers in Ukraine have been those improvised weapons cobbled together using old moped and jetski engines...

Or the hastily cobbled together grenades and 3d printed finned drone bombs.
Here is a thought, they have captured nearly intact Iranian suicide drones, ( nicknamed Dorito’s on the web due to their shape ) either replicate them, or repair, refuel the odd ones from the parts they have then on the next raid and launch it off towards Moscow, it will cause confusion and mayhem with the Russians worrying some of their missiles are going rogue. ;)


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dedf86eaf.jpeg


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NutLoose 5th Nov 2022 11:39

It does look like Brize is busy these days


pasta 5th Nov 2022 11:42


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11325779)
With all the talk previously of threat posed by hypersonic (hyper-expensive) weapons, it's interesting to think the real game changers in Ukraine have been those improvised weapons cobbled together using old moped and jetski engines...

Also the observation that, 30 years after GW1 (which you'd have thought they were watching) the Russians seem to think that a weapon that can travel at Mach 12 (allegedly) is better than one that can accurately hit its target.

jolihokistix 5th Nov 2022 12:29

Regarding the stand-off in Kherson, do we see another Berlin shaping up here? Would Vlad feel right at home with another split city, seeded with a fifth column on the west side? Has he found in the river a comfortable dividing line to solidify his hold on the fourth ‘Russified’ province, with a nice water trickle for Crimea? Could it be a potential generous case of: “You can have the west bank, and in exchange everything east of there is now more permanently ours mine.”(?)


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