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Beamr 27th Jun 2022 10:44

here you go, they claim it prevents the pilot from breaking his/hers neck in case of supersonic exit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comm...eb2x&context=3

NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 10:47

Thanks, that makes sense.

NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 12:13

Possibly the new hit on Snake Island, the one the Russians ermmm intercepted.


henra 27th Jun 2022 13:20


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11252051)
You need to listen to this Turkey, fifth columnist and destroying the oil infrastructure in the Netherlands and tankers in ports.

Forget about the detailed content of all this crap. It's all the same song. The real message behind this is disillusion, desperation and deeply hurt pride by the disastrous performance of the 'special operation' compared to what they assumed to be their military capability. They cope with it by throwing ever bigger threats.
The really worrying thing is that this whole sentiment seems not just to be a feat of Putin himself but it seems to be a rather widespread sentiment. I.e. even in case Putin's term should come to an end sooner or later the question remains: How much room will a successor have to deviate from this established party line?

fdr 27th Jun 2022 14:24


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11251984)
Latest heavyweight replacement for Ukraine commanding general.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Ukraine.html

his uniform can be re-purposed, so may last longer and give more comfort to the troops than General Creosote himself.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....020273c43.jpeg



When they said Huffin 'n Puffin was scraping the barrel, they didn't mention that the barrel was dressed in camouflage

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....22b5a1779a.png


NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 14:34


Originally Posted by henra (Post 11252368)
Forget about the detailed content of all this crap. It's all the same song. The real message behind this is disillusion, desperation and deeply hurt pride by the disastrous performance of the 'special operation' compared to what they assumed to be their military capability. They cope with it by throwing ever bigger threats.
The really worrying thing is that this whole sentiment seems not just to be a feat of Putin himself but it seems to be a rather widespread sentiment. I.e. even in case Putin's term should come to an end sooner or later the question remains: How much room will a successor have to deviate from this established party line?


One thing stood out to me that stuck in my mind was in one of the films on line, it was showing the masses of protesters getting arrested in Russia while protesting against the war.
A commentator rightly noted that they were all young, and that no matter how much Putin tries to reshape Russia into his Utopia, those young Russians fighting against the war are the future of the Country and will determine its path, Putin and his cronies are the past.

fdr 27th Jun 2022 14:53

Russia's current attack tempo may be unsustainable for much longer.... This would be a target worthy of some ISR and a bit of "track repair work"



https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4e6904b064.png


NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 15:21

Nato to significantly increase the QRF, That's a heck of a ramping up, I wonder how many will be based in Eastern Europe. So Much for Putins plans, he has done more to bolster and bring together Nato than nearly any other time in its history.

BBC


The announcement of Nato's plans to increase the number of its forces "at high readiness" represents a massive boost for its quick reaction force - from 40,000 to over 300,000 troops.

It's also a clear sign of the insecure times the defence alliance faces following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Jens Stoltenberg, Nato's Secretary General, has promised this week’s meeting will be transformative, including the biggest overhaul of collective deterrence and defence since the Cold War.

Nato members located closest to Russia, especially the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, but also Poland and recent Nato applicants Finland and Sweden, feel particularly exposed.

They’re expecting a dramatic upgrade in Nato's eastern defences, which would include fellow members such as the UK, US and France pledging warplanes and ships to be at the ready.

Lonewolf_50 27th Jun 2022 15:28

Would you call that a mobilization?
It's one thing to make a force offering or a force proposal, it is quite another (and more expensive) to actually mobilize those personnel.
Let's give this the 48 hour 'breathing space' and see what this turns out to be.

RatherBeFlying 27th Jun 2022 15:31

Hopefully satellites will monitor the boxcars until close enough for Bayraktars to trigger secondaries, preferably over a bridge.

Lonewolf_50 27th Jun 2022 15:36

If you want to be objective about this, Ukraine is getting weapons and ammo from other nations, so Russia is getting weapons/ammo from other nations, although it might be that this was Russian ammo staged in Belarus before the war "special operation" :p started.

NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 15:54

The other worry is Russia has been building its troop levels back up in Belarus I believe.

The QRF can be based out of "theatre" I seem to remember reading and shipped in as and when, but they would do that anyway if there was an incursion, though I can see a stiffening up of what is already in those Eastern Countries.

NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 16:05


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11252440)
If you want to be objective about this, Ukraine is getting weapons and ammo from other nations, so Russia is getting weapons/ammo from other nations, although it might be that this was Russian ammo staged in Belarus before the war "special operation" :p started.

True, I also see some people going on about about the cost of the HIMARS and their ammunition they are receiving, true they are expensive, but when you put it into perspective they are cheap, if you can take out and hit target with 6 rounds avoiding collateral damage, where the Russians expend 60 or 70 rounds often missing the targets by a long way, then you are onto a winner.
For one, you do not need all the launchers, ammo and the supply chain the Russians need to get those to the launch / firing point, often to be wasted constructing new duck ponds around the farmland of Ukraine, and two, you in effect negate the ten to one advantage in firepower, as you achieve your military objective with fewer weapons and rounds....

NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 16:37

Aviation content

Martlet appearing to take down a Russian KA52


Beamr 27th Jun 2022 18:27

Regarding NATO forces uplift and deployment, I heard that the plan is eg for Estonia to create a new, permanent NATO led division in Estonia with up to 25000 troops. It would consist of 10000 locals and rest would be on rotation from bigger NATO countries. It would be a big leap from current situation of approx 2000 troops.

Lonewolf_50 27th Jun 2022 19:58


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11252449)
True, I also see some people going on about about the cost of the HIMARS and their ammunition they are receiving, true they are expensive, but when you put it into perspective they are cheap, if you can take out and hit target with 6 rounds avoiding collateral damage, where the Russians expend 60 or 70 rounds often missing the targets by a long way, then you are onto a winner.
For one, you do not need all the launchers, ammo and the supply chain the Russians need to get those to the launch / firing point, often to be wasted constructing new duck ponds around the farmland of Ukraine, and two, you in effect negate the ten to one advantage in firepower, as you achieve your military objective with fewer weapons and rounds....

Aviation related response: When one is using, for air dropped munitions, guided bombs such as JDAM or a GBU-12 LGB, it takes a lot fewer bombs to hit/neutralize/destroy a target...but each bomb is more expensive.
There used to be a Copperhead artillery round that could be lased to the target, not sure if our folks still use those.

Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11252497)
Regarding NATO forces uplift and deployment, I heard that the plan is eg for Estonia to create a new, permanent NATO led division in Estonia with up to 25000 troops. It would consist of 10000 locals and rest would be on rotation from bigger NATO countries. It would be a big leap from current situation of approx 2000 troops.

A division sized unit can't be stood up, nor become combat effective, in a short time. I'd love to see the proposed ToE for that unit.

fitliker 27th Jun 2022 19:58

The casualties from various reports would suggest that this war is not sustainable for much longer without out serious reinforcements for both sides .
That might risk escalation beyond the present kill zones . Doesn’t look like arming the grannies and grandpa’s has brought anything but more death to civilians .
Maybe the Turks and Poles could attempt a pig roast of the Russians , with some help from Latvia and Estonia they might just win a few battles before the tactical nukes are used and the big city killer nukes start heading to the weapons factories around the globe .

Lonewolf_50 27th Jun 2022 20:04


Originally Posted by fitliker (Post 11252527)
Maybe the Turks and Poles could attempt a pig roast of the Russians , with some help from Latvia and Estonia they might just win a few battles before the tactical nukes are used and the big city killer nukes start heading to the weapons factories around the globe .

While I am now more pleased than ever that the US finally got out of the ABM treaty (it only made sense during cold war MAD, which is thirty years in our past) I am pretty sure that the Poles and Turks have little desire to bring the war home to their civilian populations, which is what this "pig roast" that you suggest would likely induce.
And I think it a pretty safe call that nobody (and probably not anyone in the Russian brain trust) want to see nuclear missiles slung about at capitals all over the world.
Though the Chinese might be pleased to watch and eat popcorn, such an exchange would harm the global economy such that China would not be a fan as it would hit them hard in the wallet.

peter we 27th Jun 2022 20:07

flight time is 30 seconds.thats sone range, 9miles? How's that possible if its a Martlet?

cynicalint 27th Jun 2022 20:35

Emel.OW

Despite the fact that me and the majority of my friends are strictly against this war, we couldn’t ignore a few things. First was the growing Russophobia in the western world (we’re talking about the pre-war times of course), with the adjective “Russian” becoming equal to “evil” in the western press. Russian hackers, Russians messing with the US elections and so on.
Unfortunately, those few "things" were the fruits of your Governments foreign policy. Invasions of Georgia, Crimea etc added to those "things". I'm afraid your comment is just propaganda on the part of the Russian Government, appearing to oppose the war, but giving justification of Russia's actions of invading a neighbour. We have looked at considered your different perspective; the problem is, we don't believe you.


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