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etudiant 26th Jun 2022 15:47


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11251980)
Standard TIR carnet. Nothing spectacular there. You can't white wash Russias unjust actions by blaming others.

That is silly, I've only noted that the restrictions are contrary to the existing agreements and it is not appropriate to attribute them to treaties signed subsequently with the EU.
More to the point, that region afaik has its utilities pretty integrated with Russia's, so don't be surprised if Russia cuts off the water or the power links.

etudiant 26th Jun 2022 15:50


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11251984)
Latest heavyweight replacement for Ukraine commanding general.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Ukraine.html

Got to have some sympathy for the Russian generals, handed a mess and told to fix it, stat, by the guy who created it in the first place.

Beamr 26th Jun 2022 15:54


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11252013)
That is silly, I've only noted that the restrictions are contrary to the existing agreements and it is not appropriate to attribute them to treaties signed subsequently with the EU.
More to the point, that region afaik has its utilities pretty integrated with Russia's, so don't be surprised if Russia cuts off the water or the power links.

1. Lithuania is using exclusively ground water resources for drinking water. I have no idea how Russians will cut that off.
2. while lithuania imports 70% of its electricity, nowadays big portion comes from Sweden and the network is pretty integrated to rest of Europe. How is Russia going to cut that, invading Lithuania or Sweden?

squawking 7700 26th Jun 2022 16:18

Lithuania has already 'disconnected' itself from Russian gas, one of, if not the only country to do so in it's entirety.

Video Mixdown 26th Jun 2022 16:28


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11252014)
Got to have some sympathy for the Russian generals, handed a mess and told to fix it, stat, by the guy who created it in the first place.

I have sympathy for the people defending their country, not these corrupt barbarians. He'll make a good target - has anyone done any stats on their life expectancy?

squawking 7700 26th Jun 2022 16:46


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11252023)
He'll make a good target

- as Bob Mortimer would say 'he's a sniper's dream'

petit plateau 26th Jun 2022 17:20


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11251967)
Not sure they were 'kicked out', they left as the USSR fell apart iirc.
There was recognition in the eventual text that stuff to and from Russia to Kaliningrad was an internal transfer, not subject to customs controls.
More broadly, this just seems a petty provocation, not sensible when one shares infrastructure such as the power grid with the grouchy neighbor.

Do keep up at the back.

They have already been working towards disconnecting Kalingrad's grid from the Baltic states, and the Baltic states from Russia's grid.

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-englis...says-president

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ad-2022-06-22/

In fact it is Russia that is likely more nervous about any grids getting disconnected as Russia has cancelled the pending isolation test for Kalingrad. It is Kalingrad that could end up islanded for a very extended period.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...st-2022-06-23/

For any EU-bashers around here, please note that the ability for the Baltic states to do this disconnection from the Russian grid is an EU-funded project, just like there are many other EU funded projects that have had dual use intent. The gas lines are also flowing backwards etc, road and rail links and airport expansions that quietly got built are in good use, etc. The 2025 availability date for the Baltic disconnect would appear to have been accelerated, just as the Ukraine & Moldova disconnect from Russia also got accelerated - as did their connection to the EU grid.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...tement_22_1789

By the way, Lithuania is only intending to prevent transport of stuff between Russia and Kaliningrad that is subject to EU embargos. Not other stuff.



NutLoose 26th Jun 2022 17:21

I see Germany has fired up their coal power stations again, perhaps we should…… oh wait we knocked them all down, I would love to know where they are getting the coal from as it used to come from the Donbass.

I see the warmongers on Russian TV say they will determine how much the west remains….


The US Naval attaché taking a selfie of himself given the Z marks a finger has gone down a treat lol.


NutLoose 26th Jun 2022 17:38

You need to listen to this Turkey, fifth columnist and destroying the oil infrastructure in the Netherlands and tankers in ports.


NutLoose 26th Jun 2022 17:43

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....cf85062a0.jpeg

etudiant 26th Jun 2022 18:46


Originally Posted by petit plateau (Post 11252043)
Do keep up at the back.

They have already been working towards disconnecting Kalingrad's grid from the Baltic states, and the Baltic states from Russia's grid.

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-englis...says-president

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ad-2022-06-22/

In fact it is Russia that is likely more nervous about any grids getting disconnected as Russia has cancelled the pending isolation test for Kalingrad. It is Kalingrad that could end up islanded for a very extended period.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...st-2022-06-23/

For any EU-bashers around here, please note that the ability for the Baltic states to do this disconnection from the Russian grid is an EU-funded project, just like there are many other EU funded projects that have had dual use intent. The gas lines are also flowing backwards etc, road and rail links and airport expansions that quietly got built are in good use, etc. The 2025 availability date for the Baltic disconnect would appear to have been accelerated, just as the Ukraine & Moldova disconnect from Russia also got accelerated - as did their connection to the EU grid.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...tement_22_1789

By the way, Lithuania is only intending to prevent transport of stuff between Russia and Kaliningrad that is subject to EU embargos. Not other stuff.

Thanks for bringing me up to date on the grid issues, I'd not known that there was an EU funded disconnect option.
I'd noted the Russian reaction was for retaliation via 'tbd administrative measures'. Perhaps they are finding that more troublesome than they anticipated.
My point still stands, it seems iffy to sign a free transit agreement with Russia and then later claim that more recent EU rules nullify that.

Winemaker 26th Jun 2022 19:11


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11252023)
I have sympathy for the people defending their country, not these corrupt barbarians. He'll make a good target - has anyone done any stats on their life expectancy?

Yes, here you go. https://topcargo200.com/

Dan Gerous 26th Jun 2022 20:05


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11251984)
Latest heavyweight replacement for Ukraine commanding general.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-Ukraine.html

**** moi, they'll have to use an NLAW to take that one out!
​​​​​​​

AndySmith 26th Jun 2022 20:42


Originally Posted by Dan Gerous (Post 11252089)
**** moi, they'll have to use an NLAW to take that one out!

Nah, just find someone to offer him a "wafer-thin mint".

petit plateau 26th Jun 2022 21:03


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11252070)
My point still stands, it seems iffy to sign a free transit agreement with Russia and then later claim that more recent EU rules nullify that.

I suggest you read the relevant documents, but it seems to me that Lithuania etc are acting in accordance with the relevant agreements. Lithuania is after all a sovereign state, and the relevant territory is its territory, and it appears to be acting in accord with the various agreements.

"Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the independence of the Baltic states, Kaliningrad Oblast has been separated from the rest of Russia by other countries instead of by other former Soviet republics. Neighboring nations imposed strict border controls when they joined the European Union. All military and civilian land links between the region and the rest of Russia have to pass through members of NATO and the EU. Russian proposals for visa-free travel between the EU and Kaliningrad have so far been rejected by the EU. Travel arrangements, based on the Facilitated Transit Document (FTD) and Facilitated Rail Transit Document (FRTD)[41][42] have been made.[41][42] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast

41 = https://web.archive.org/web/20091101...ingrad-region/ (note you can go the text of one of the documents itself if you follow the footnotes)

42 = https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ...08:0008:EN:PDF (not found)

Looking at 41 the explanation seems fair enough to me. If I read correctly, it is only Russian "persons" that get facilitated travel for transit purposes. Goods, no, and never appear to have done. So Lithuania would appear to be entirely acting within the norms in applying sanctions which have been agreed at EU level, but which are being discharged at a national level, to the corresponding prohibited goods that are seeking to transit Lithuanian territory.


rattman 27th Jun 2022 00:27

CNN are reporting that US is going to buy NASAMS for ukraine


News: The US plans to announce as soon as this week that it has a purchased a NASAMS—an advanced surface-to-air missile defense system— for Ukraine, a source familiar with the announcement tells CNN

NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 03:10

About NASAMS

https://www.kongsberg.com/kda/what-w...efence-system/

NutLoose 27th Jun 2022 10:23

Aviation content... I know, don't get used to it :p

What are the holes in top top of his lid for? Weight reduction?


Mogwi 27th Jun 2022 10:43


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11252270)
Aviation content... I know, don't get used to it :p

What are the holes in top top of his lid for? Weight reduction?

https://twitter.com/u_me_reality/sta...31821551665152


As I recall, they are vents to counter the tendency for the lid to be removed by the airflow during high-speed ejection. Mind you, it is several decades since I did the course!

Mog


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