Wants against reality, a frank and educational read.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11245676)
Re artillery, I still cannot understand the reluctance of the west to give Ukraine long range MLRS weapons,, it would enable Ukraine to target Russian artillery from well outside Russias normal counter artillery range. A simple understanding, use these weapons at anytime without the wests agreement to strike Russian territory will cease any future hardware support or replenishments full stop.
In the meantime we need to seriously up our supply in both quantity of artillery weapons and munitions replenishment. |
Do you know what your enemy is shooting at you?
Aviation Content here: MANPADS proliferation continues to be a concern (and it has been for a while, going as far back in my memory as Stingers in Afghanistan in the 80's)
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...les-increasing Over the past decade, there has been a significant increase in the illicit trade of advanced Chinese-designed shoulder-fired surface-to-air missiles, also known as man-portable air defense systems, or MANPADS, according to a new report from the independent monitoring group Small Arms Survey. For Nutty: nice piece in terms of perspective. The entireactive U.S. Army has 330 artillery pieces (M777 and M109 self-propelled guns). Ukraine is asking for 1,500. Ukraine has hit a wall in Kharkiv—the closer it gets to the Russian border, the more exposed its forces are to artillery from inside Russian territory, where they sit safe and well-supplied. |
US army has 10 active divisions, each with a Brigade of 3 artillery battalions each equipped with around 24 howitzers (either self-propelled M109A7 or towed M777) & 9 MLRS or HIMARS. Thats 720 howitzers and 270 MLRS, for a total of around 1000 pieces.
The National Guard has a further 8 Brigades, making around another 800 pieces for a grand total of about 1800 pieces including about 500 MLRS.. That is, of course, only those currently assigned, not those held in reserve. The army having, over the years, bought over 990 MLRS. A lot are mothballed, but a lot are also being refurbished and updated. e.g. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/m270.html Not saying they can afford to give a lot away - but they have more than you suggest. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11246088)
US army has 10 active divisions, each with a Brigade of 3 artillery battalions each equipped with around 24 howitzers (either self-propelled M109A7 or towed M777) & 9 MLRS or HIMARS. Thats 720 howitzers and 270 MLRS, for a total of around 1000 pieces.
The National Guard has a further 8 Brigades, making around another 800 pieces for a grand total of about 1800 pieces including about 500 MLRS.. That is, of course, only those currently assigned, not those held in reserve. The army having, over the years, bought over 990 MLRS. A lot are mothballed, but a lot are also being refurbished and updated. e.g. https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/m270.html Not saying they can afford to give a lot away - but they have more than you suggest. Your numbers are close enough if all ten divisions were heavy divisions. (Mechanized infantry or armor). But they are not. Three of them are light divisions. (Granted, the 101st is loaded with helicopters). 101st Air Assault (Fort Campbell) and 82d Airborne (Fort Bragg) divisions are not heavy divisions, nor is the 10th Mountain Division. (Fort Drum) I'll suggest that your overestimation is based on assuming that their complement of heavy artillery / MLRS matches that of the seven heavy divisions. (Cav/Armor/Mech Infantry). It does not. (The last time I saw the 82d's ToE was a long time ago, but they didn't have a Heavy Division's complement of heavy artillery - while they may have had an upgrade since then, IIRC they used the 105mm howitzer which is air droppable). 101st's Divarty looks like this:
10th Mountain Division's Divarty looks like this:
3 artillery battalions each equipped with around 24 howitzers (either self-propelled M109A7 or towed M777) & 9 MLRS or HIMARS. Thats 720 howitzers and 270 MLRS, for a total of around 1000 pieces. So yeah, he's still off by a bit. |
Yeah, tell that to the surrendered fighters from Mariupol, some of who are sitting with death sentences hanging over their heads, and the others that possibly no one actually knows where they are. The reason Russia left a bridge standing was I believe in the hope that they would all withdraw over it. That was never going to happen so I doubt the above will either, it will become another Mariupol tying down Russian forces, one does wonder what heavy equipment Ukraine now has trapped, though the dropped bridge span looks like a temporary one could be thrown across it. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11246176)
The reason Russia left a bridge standing was I believe in the hope that they would all withdraw over it.
36. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. This does not mean that the enemy is to be allowed to escape. The object, as Tu Mu puts it, is "to make him believe that there is a road to safety, and thus prevent his fighting with the courage of despair." Tu Mu adds pleasantly: "After that, you may crush him." |
…”In some cases, according to one source familiar with US intelligence, Ukraine is simply opting not to use the unfamiliar Western systems. For example, despite receiving hundreds of Switchblade drones, some units prefer to use commercial drones rigged with explosives that are more user-friendly.”….
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When a Trench becomes a ditch..
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11246286)
…”In some cases, according to one source familiar with US intelligence, Ukraine is simply opting not to use the unfamiliar Western systems. For example, despite receiving hundreds of Switchblade drones, some units prefer to use commercial drones rigged with explosives that are more user-friendly.”….
I'll offer the observation that it is a good idea not to use a weapon that one has not trained with. Could end in tears, otherwise. |
How low is too low?
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This is pretty damning if true:
SSU: Russia has come up with a new scheme to supply "cannon fodder" to the front (yahoo.com) Russia's recruiting companies are looking for masses "volunteers" for the military, and requiring neither physical training nor military training. The invaders are being offered good salaries |
USERTIM,we would normally fly below treetop level; grass and weeds don`t do any damage,and the birds can sleep safely.....
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Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 11246633)
This is pretty damning if true:
SSU: Russia has come up with a new scheme to supply "cannon fodder" to the front (yahoo.com) I suppose you can offer really good pay when most don't survive long enough to collect :rolleyes:
Spoiler
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Fascinating read on the infrastructure in place to source and delivery weaponary to Ukraine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61816337 |
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Things starting to turn in Russia. These are the hard core of those supporting the war…
Russian state does not want Russian victory, it wants an agreement. After the agreement there will be chance to live somewhere that is not Russia, to heal up in old age somewhere like Germany, Israel or Switzerland. To see how children with foreign passports walk around London and Paris. To realise the unspoken: “Well, okay, we were born and raised in this rubbish dump that is Russia/USSR, but the children, the children should go to the civilisation, should be raised and learned like the white people”. This is how they are thinking. This is exactly and the only way they are thinking. Thus their lack of desire to win the war is completely understandable. And the long-term sabotage is totally logical.”… |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11246871)
This is how they are thinking. This is exactly and the only way they are thinking. Thus their lack of desire to win the war is completely understandable. And the long-term sabotage is totally logical.”…
I think they heavily underestimated: Invading <> Defending. Their big success in WWII was in defending their Country. The German Troops had to deal with the challenge of long range logistics in enemy territory while they were defending home turf like now the Ukrainians are doing. They wrongly extrapolated that invading would work the same way. Well, it doesn't. Totally different league. Not only from a motivation perspective. Also very much from a practical perspective. |
Crikey,
US estimates that Russia has lost up to 20-30% of its armoured forces https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....29b844289.jpeg |
Meanwhile in Russia the Izvestija (KRemlin supporter) is shouting out that the Ukrainian Air Force has been defeated (didnt they say that already in March) and that it will no longer pose a threat to the "allied forces" (whatever that alliance is).
Here's a typical line which is BS that smells to high heavens:
Originally Posted by izvestija.ru
“The Ukrainian air forces did not show themselves in any way during the special military operation , military expert Dmitry Boltenkov told Izvestia. "No heroic deeds were seen behind the air forces of Ukraine,” he said. - In air battles, the Russian Aerospace Forces did not lose a single aircraft. Our pilots beat Ukrainians during a special military operation. Two of our pilots received the title of Hero of Russia for air battles - this says a lot."
https://iz.ru/1350157/bogdan-stepovo...ili-pvo-rossii One could argue that this is phenomenal performance by the RF armed forces as in February Ukraine had only 206 fixed wing aircrafts including all the transport and trainer aircrafts plus 146 helicopters in the inventory. I have no idea how these figures would be even remotely possible considering that Russia has not conquered Ukraine and subjected it. |
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