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SM, The point is that this is all much to do about nothing. The firemen are not going to get their 40%, we all know that. They are going to lose money during the strike, money that they will never recover. I would expect the Forces to comply with the governments wishes without belly-aching, isnt that why we have armed forces? Dont get me wrong, I in no way support what they are doing. They are sheep following instructions from their union. It would be interesting to poll the strikers to see just how many of them really want to be on strike.
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Thanks for the explanation, and sorry I didn't get it first time
So what your saying is that you don't agree with the firemen's strike, and that it's OK for the armed forces to pick up any old gash jobs that the government want doing eh?
Well, we have been doing as the government wishes, as I'm sure you will have seen. But your comments about doing it without passing comment, or 'belly aching' as you so elequently put it, are unfair and unjust. Why shouldn't we voice our anger? We haven't said we will go on strike have we? No, we will do the job, just like it's always done.
But that is not the reason why we have the armed forces in this country either!
The members of the armed forces DID NOT join up to be ill-equipped, underpaid firemen! What next, bog cleaners, binmen, Road sweepers, what about just cheap old labouers? Oh, isn't that what we are? Lots opf the youngsters manning GG's are!!
And why should we/they not complain about a bunch of left wing commies, holding this country to ransom??
And much to do about nothing eh?
I'm not sure you would think like that if you had just returned from Ops somewhere in the world, to find that your post-op leave is cancelled and your off to take over from the firemen.
Come on Kenny, when the CDS stands up and complains IN FRONT of HIS BIG boss, AND in front of millions of viewers, then you can rest assured that things have reached a pretty low and unacceptable level. Was he 'belly aching'???
Thanks for the explanation, and sorry I didn't get it first time
So what your saying is that you don't agree with the firemen's strike, and that it's OK for the armed forces to pick up any old gash jobs that the government want doing eh?
Well, we have been doing as the government wishes, as I'm sure you will have seen. But your comments about doing it without passing comment, or 'belly aching' as you so elequently put it, are unfair and unjust. Why shouldn't we voice our anger? We haven't said we will go on strike have we? No, we will do the job, just like it's always done.
But that is not the reason why we have the armed forces in this country either!
The members of the armed forces DID NOT join up to be ill-equipped, underpaid firemen! What next, bog cleaners, binmen, Road sweepers, what about just cheap old labouers? Oh, isn't that what we are? Lots opf the youngsters manning GG's are!!
And why should we/they not complain about a bunch of left wing commies, holding this country to ransom??
And much to do about nothing eh?
I'm not sure you would think like that if you had just returned from Ops somewhere in the world, to find that your post-op leave is cancelled and your off to take over from the firemen.
Come on Kenny, when the CDS stands up and complains IN FRONT of HIS BIG boss, AND in front of millions of viewers, then you can rest assured that things have reached a pretty low and unacceptable level. Was he 'belly aching'???
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SM, that is exactly what I'm saying. It's not your fault that the firemen went on strike but now that they have you must respect the wishes of the Government otherwise we have anarchy. you dont have to like it but you have to comply. I agree that you didnt sign up to do all these odd jobs, but you did sign up. So if you dont like what you are expected to do there is always an option available.
KENNYR: The day to day work of servicemen covering for the firemen is carried out with skill, dedication, cheerfulness and discipline. When they receive an order they respond without griping and get on with it.
Don't say we in HM Forces are griping all the time about nothing, we have real issues and the right to express them in PRIVATE (on this forum) while doing the job so ably.
Cut the firemens' pay to 11 grand, the salary of the average soldier/airman/sailor doing THEIR job so well.
Don't say we in HM Forces are griping all the time about nothing, we have real issues and the right to express them in PRIVATE (on this forum) while doing the job so ably.
Cut the firemens' pay to 11 grand, the salary of the average soldier/airman/sailor doing THEIR job so well.
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TR, I in no way intended to imply that our servicemen and women are not doing the job to the best of their abilities or that they are not dedicated. However these forums are not the medium to get things changed. Sure its nice to vent and rant but is there no other avenue available to get the point across. Have things got so bad in the Forces that one cant talk to ones CO or OC. Has the chain of command broken down? I support you and your colleagues in your views and I definately support our boys and girls in the Forces 150%.
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KennyR,
I'm not sure if it's me or what, but your'e confusing the hell out of me either way!
Have the orders of the government NOT been carried out?
Are the armed forces manning the GG's ?
Have we not complied in any way, shape or form?
And you agree that we didn't sign up to do these jobs eh?
Hum, presumably then, your only complaint is that some of us have expressed our annoyance at it all then, Yes?
So what is your point then, do you agree with us or do you agree with the left wing commie firemen?
And why do people like you always revert to that classic line '....there is always an option....'
Yeh, sure there is, and sadly thats why the armed forces are losing so many valuable and talented people. Not because they are fed up of doing their PRIMARY job, whether it be flying, blunty work, groundies or whatever. They are leaving because of the crap and nause that there is so much of today, like the firemen's strike etc blah!
The fact is, sadly, there is really NO other way to express your views and feelings within the service other than in forums like this.
Why do you think so many very senior officers and airships read PPrune? just to pass away the day?
These kind of forums offer a vital link for the average grunt, in ANY of the services to say what he or she really feels without the fear of it ending their carreer.
Sure many will spout utter nif naf and rubbish, but............
In the main, the important issues that are aired here, can at least be seen by those high up, instead of those at the very top being 'protected' by an army of staff officers, whose sole job in life is to prevent them from receiving bad news! Take a look at how invaluable this forum has been in the Chinook fiasco!
Don't ever tell any member of the services that he or she does not have the right to voice their concern, anger, frustration blah on any forum. Remember, it's because of them, that you are free to make the comments you do, don't deny them the same right.
Training Risky, I'm with you.
The swinging Monkey
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I'm not sure if it's me or what, but your'e confusing the hell out of me either way!
Have the orders of the government NOT been carried out?
Are the armed forces manning the GG's ?
Have we not complied in any way, shape or form?
And you agree that we didn't sign up to do these jobs eh?
Hum, presumably then, your only complaint is that some of us have expressed our annoyance at it all then, Yes?
So what is your point then, do you agree with us or do you agree with the left wing commie firemen?
And why do people like you always revert to that classic line '....there is always an option....'
Yeh, sure there is, and sadly thats why the armed forces are losing so many valuable and talented people. Not because they are fed up of doing their PRIMARY job, whether it be flying, blunty work, groundies or whatever. They are leaving because of the crap and nause that there is so much of today, like the firemen's strike etc blah!
The fact is, sadly, there is really NO other way to express your views and feelings within the service other than in forums like this.
Why do you think so many very senior officers and airships read PPrune? just to pass away the day?
These kind of forums offer a vital link for the average grunt, in ANY of the services to say what he or she really feels without the fear of it ending their carreer.
Sure many will spout utter nif naf and rubbish, but............
In the main, the important issues that are aired here, can at least be seen by those high up, instead of those at the very top being 'protected' by an army of staff officers, whose sole job in life is to prevent them from receiving bad news! Take a look at how invaluable this forum has been in the Chinook fiasco!
Don't ever tell any member of the services that he or she does not have the right to voice their concern, anger, frustration blah on any forum. Remember, it's because of them, that you are free to make the comments you do, don't deny them the same right.
Training Risky, I'm with you.
The swinging Monkey
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Steady now, don't get all fired up those nasties in the red thingamies will have to come out and douse the flames. Got to agree with your post 95% except that I don't think they are ALL a bunch of Commies, just those being led to the slaughter. We all know about the aims of the likes of Gilchrist etc, I wonder really in their heart of hearts how many of those firemen really support their leaders if asked on a one to one basis, a lot of them must feel very intimidated like the retained firemen in Norfolk last week were when a 'bunch of 80 others' in the Easten Counties who descended on a retained station in rural Norfolk unannounced' There pretence was 'handing out fire safety leaflets to householders' but wanted to go and 'talk' to the retained men, that was a way round secondary picketing and it backfired on them. I think by going to ACAS they are looking for a way out, they will I am sure be offered an 'improved % rise' just in time for Christmas. The Squaddies will all be stood down, the embarrassing GG's will be mothballed for another 25 years and we will be called upon to douse the flames of the Middle East and allow the Phoenix to rise from the ashes again.
Steady now, don't get all fired up those nasties in the red thingamies will have to come out and douse the flames. Got to agree with your post 95% except that I don't think they are ALL a bunch of Commies, just those being led to the slaughter. We all know about the aims of the likes of Gilchrist etc, I wonder really in their heart of hearts how many of those firemen really support their leaders if asked on a one to one basis, a lot of them must feel very intimidated like the retained firemen in Norfolk last week were when a 'bunch of 80 others' in the Easten Counties who descended on a retained station in rural Norfolk unannounced' There pretence was 'handing out fire safety leaflets to householders' but wanted to go and 'talk' to the retained men, that was a way round secondary picketing and it backfired on them. I think by going to ACAS they are looking for a way out, they will I am sure be offered an 'improved % rise' just in time for Christmas. The Squaddies will all be stood down, the embarrassing GG's will be mothballed for another 25 years and we will be called upon to douse the flames of the Middle East and allow the Phoenix to rise from the ashes again.
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John
Thanks for that
I've had a big scotch tonight, and I'm feeling much calmer
Thanks for bringing me back down to earth
Kind regards
The swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, looks like I need Scotch more often'
Thanks for that
I've had a big scotch tonight, and I'm feeling much calmer
Thanks for bringing me back down to earth
Kind regards
The swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, looks like I need Scotch more often'
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NEWS FLASH! Forces to Strike!!
In the face of industrial action by members of the armed forces, the government has announced that the Fire Service will, as an interim measure ,carry out military operations in Iraq. The Army, who have demanded a 40%pay increase on the basis that their job has become rather more technical since 1945,will begin strike action next Thursday unless a compromise pay deal can be agreed in the meantime. It is understood that they will spend their time standing around little bonfires, rubbing their hands together and waving at passing vehicles who honk their horns at them. Crack Fire Service personnel ,highly trained in playing darts, brewing tea and sliding down poles, are understood to be on standby to take up front line operations.
Using their 'red goddess' vehicles instead of tanks, they will race towards Iraqi lines and attempt to annoy the enemy into surrender by making a lot of noise and spraying them with water. Prime Minister Tony Blair has already stated the recent Fire Service strike has proved that a vastly undermanned service with limited training and unsuitable equipment can perform the duties of a well trained, well equipped and well manned professional force equally as efficiently. When it was pointed out to him that the bright red fire engines might make an easy target for enemy fire, Mr Blair said,' Never mind, we've got too many firemen as it is ... er, is that camera running?' Asked for his comment, Britain's partner in the coalition in the war against Iraq, US President George W.Bush ,said 'Oooh, can I have a go on the siren?'
Using their 'red goddess' vehicles instead of tanks, they will race towards Iraqi lines and attempt to annoy the enemy into surrender by making a lot of noise and spraying them with water. Prime Minister Tony Blair has already stated the recent Fire Service strike has proved that a vastly undermanned service with limited training and unsuitable equipment can perform the duties of a well trained, well equipped and well manned professional force equally as efficiently. When it was pointed out to him that the bright red fire engines might make an easy target for enemy fire, Mr Blair said,' Never mind, we've got too many firemen as it is ... er, is that camera running?' Asked for his comment, Britain's partner in the coalition in the war against Iraq, US President George W.Bush ,said 'Oooh, can I have a go on the siren?'
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Given that we have covered their jobs as well as our own, can we expect the firemen to be the first in to Iraq as repayment? Go on we'll give them a couple of weeks training in NBC and maybe weapon handling (on the 303 of course to reflect the age of the Green Godesses).
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Fireman
I wonder why you want £30,000
Fighter-pilots start on less after 4 years training...if they are the minority that make the grade
Commercial pilots start on less after either training in the forces, or training in civilian life (like you) at great expense to themselves(though you do not pay anything I think)
Some of you do "extra" work like run taxi companies from the station - is this why your union doesn`t want you to have to do short-notice overtime in the modernization?
Last week in New York (You are familiar, because that is your reason to demand so much??-?) the subway-drivers threatened to go on strike, it being Christmas an all - and the state out-lawed it! Good for the citizen eh?
Is it true that there is a by-law that was over-looked from over a century ago in this country, that prevents industrial action if it affects public interest? And the Govt has just found it.
Stop taking the p###s and let our over-stretched, as-or-more-professional-than-you forces people do their jobs, without having to cover for your "taxi-managers"
I wonder why you want £30,000
Fighter-pilots start on less after 4 years training...if they are the minority that make the grade
Commercial pilots start on less after either training in the forces, or training in civilian life (like you) at great expense to themselves(though you do not pay anything I think)
Some of you do "extra" work like run taxi companies from the station - is this why your union doesn`t want you to have to do short-notice overtime in the modernization?
Last week in New York (You are familiar, because that is your reason to demand so much??-?) the subway-drivers threatened to go on strike, it being Christmas an all - and the state out-lawed it! Good for the citizen eh?
Is it true that there is a by-law that was over-looked from over a century ago in this country, that prevents industrial action if it affects public interest? And the Govt has just found it.
Stop taking the p###s and let our over-stretched, as-or-more-professional-than-you forces people do their jobs, without having to cover for your "taxi-managers"
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Christmas Bonus
Anyone out there know the truth about the christmas strike cancellation being helped/aided and abetted by the fact that were they to remain on strike they would not be eligible for their christmas bonus.
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They, the firemens leaders, have gone a bit quiet of late. I'm sure that the Rank and File Firemen would take what is on offer on the table if given the opportunity, I stated some time back that they would settle for 6%, if they get this amount they will claim it a victory, so let's get our troops back to fighting wars not fires. I guess that the Squaddies are still 'training/standing by' for fire fighting duties, and impending war with Iraq, a pity the other shower is not as flexible!
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As far as I know they don't, despite various claims in the media, get Xmas bonuses EXCEPT double time and leave day in lieu of working the holiday.
Which I believe why the now cancelled strike was due to end on Xmas eve anyway.
Latest dates are for January - a couple of 48 hrs ones.
Which I believe why the now cancelled strike was due to end on Xmas eve anyway.
Latest dates are for January - a couple of 48 hrs ones.
