They, the firemens leaders, have gone a bit quiet of late. I'm sure that the Rank and File Firemen would take what is on offer on the table if given the opportunity, I stated some time back that they would settle for 6%, if they get this amount they will claim it a victory, so let's get our troops back to fighting wars not fires. I guess that the Squaddies are still 'training/standing by' for fire fighting duties, and impending war with Iraq, a pity the other shower is not as flexible!