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Do you want to see what Numptys are running our country click on to my <WWW> site above and have a read of The Civil Service Within The MoD page now that makes abyssmal reading from highly intelligent, highly paid Numptys!!!!!!!
Do you want to see what Numptys are running our country click on to my <WWW> site above and have a read of The Civil Service Within The MoD page now that makes abyssmal reading from highly intelligent, highly paid Numptys!!!!!!!
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John,
What a facinating site, I strongly urge the rest of you out there to take a look.
Thanks for sharing it with us all.
I wish I could say I was surprised, but I regret I am not, and as you will know, nothing much has changed - look at the chinook fiasco.
Regards
The Swinging Monkey
Tighter Jeeves, pull in that rope!
What a facinating site, I strongly urge the rest of you out there to take a look.
Thanks for sharing it with us all.
I wish I could say I was surprised, but I regret I am not, and as you will know, nothing much has changed - look at the chinook fiasco.
Regards
The Swinging Monkey
Tighter Jeeves, pull in that rope!
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I thought this was an interesting spin from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2508907.stm
About how bored the military (and police escorts) are, how its not the challenging second career one of the SNCO's thought it might be!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2508907.stm
About how bored the military (and police escorts) are, how its not the challenging second career one of the SNCO's thought it might be!
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Sensible comments from the PM.
Never thought I'd say it but well done Mr Blair, he did seem at last to be congratulating and recognising the efforts of the Military crews of the dear old Green Goddesses. Especially noting that even if you put the (supposedly) trained fire fighters with just the same equipment as military crews have they would achieve little more if anything. ITN have just aired the comments of some the servicemen and women. Living in temp accom and pointing out what their actual pay is against what the fire fighters demands or even current pay rates are. And Mr Gilchrist, what will 40% do to his salary of £82,000? in comparrisson to any other national wage....on the basis of what he has or not to do for it. Saw the Army recruiting poster spoof today....well thought out and so true.
Finally I would love to see an end to the press praising the striking firefighters for crossing their own picketlines when life is at risk (and an opportunity for good PR exists-if you were cynical)forjust doing the F%$#ing job they signed up for and should be doing in the first place.
Finally I would love to see an end to the press praising the striking firefighters for crossing their own picketlines when life is at risk (and an opportunity for good PR exists-if you were cynical)forjust doing the F%$#ing job they signed up for and should be doing in the first place.
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The twaddle some firefighters are coming out with now really is reaching the plain stupid.
One bloke this morning was going on about how although he admitted it was nice being able to supplement his income, every one else could get a second job "in the evening" if they wanted to. Not quite the same as having four regular days a week to devote to it though is it? ****.
One bloke this morning was going on about how although he admitted it was nice being able to supplement his income, every one else could get a second job "in the evening" if they wanted to. Not quite the same as having four regular days a week to devote to it though is it? ****.
My wife is a teacher, who comes home knackered and semi-comatose. She could never in a million years do a second job.
She took three years at Uni and one at teacher training college to qualify, and after 16 years in the job earns less than a Firefighter gets on day one.
She's a high calibre and highly intelligent woman, dedicated to her career and doing a useful and important job. Her dimmer sister is a GP pulling in £70K per year.
I must say that I thought that the 11% (conditional on modernisation) offered by Bain seemed very generous for public sector workers.
If this is insufficient for firemen in London and the South East, why not move away from national pay scales? This might at least be a good tactic to cut the ground from the FBSU's feet....
She took three years at Uni and one at teacher training college to qualify, and after 16 years in the job earns less than a Firefighter gets on day one.
She's a high calibre and highly intelligent woman, dedicated to her career and doing a useful and important job. Her dimmer sister is a GP pulling in £70K per year.
I must say that I thought that the 11% (conditional on modernisation) offered by Bain seemed very generous for public sector workers.
If this is insufficient for firemen in London and the South East, why not move away from national pay scales? This might at least be a good tactic to cut the ground from the FBSU's feet....
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London Allowance
Er No Mate!
They get 3 grand per year london allowance (oh and theyd like that doubled as well while we are at it!)
Good Luck to everyone on Op. fresco Youv'e done a fantastic job so far!
They get 3 grand per year london allowance (oh and theyd like that doubled as well while we are at it!)
Good Luck to everyone on Op. fresco Youv'e done a fantastic job so far!
Sorry, was unclear. London weighting is patently inadequate, and doesn't apply (Doh!) to firefighters in other equally expensive parts of the country - like Reading. Subsidised housing for key workers is not the answer. Proper pay is.
And whereas £25 K is a very fair wage in the frozen North or the West country, it's not really enough in huge swathes of the south east.
And whereas £25 K is a very fair wage in the frozen North or the West country, it's not really enough in huge swathes of the south east.
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Just a thought
Jackoniko, in terms of a weighting for the firemen (sorry PC version firefighters) just compare it to the weighting that the stand in firefighters get at their home bases (when ever they are actually there) like Odiham, Benson etc. Also the council tax or whatever rates are called these days that they pay while deployed in a tent worldwide in a.n other **** ole and receiving no benefit from all they pay without weighting in the first place.
A repeat, I know, but we are still allowing the striking gits to use the fire stations to brew up etc, have a kip while they are on night picket duty, and disgustingly wear their taxpayers provided fire fighting clothing (usually just the jackets with a pair of Jeans....cos it looks cool while the mil personnel fight fires in soldier 95.....with, I have it on good authority, the fire retardent properties of a petrol soaked oilly rag.
A repeat, I know, but we are still allowing the striking gits to use the fire stations to brew up etc, have a kip while they are on night picket duty, and disgustingly wear their taxpayers provided fire fighting clothing (usually just the jackets with a pair of Jeans....cos it looks cool while the mil personnel fight fires in soldier 95.....with, I have it on good authority, the fire retardent properties of a petrol soaked oilly rag.
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Jackonicko
for the first time in a great many months I find that I must disagree with you - sorry.
The 'London weighting' allowance is nothing short of an utter farce!
With the exception of Housing, there is NOTHING in London that is more expensive than any where else in the UK!
I will agree that housing is a joke, but everything else, in the main, is usually much much cheaper. I am sympathetic to the housing market in the south east however, if things are that bad, its dead simple - MOVE!!!!
Dont sit and bleat about it, get up off your behind and do something about it! And £25K is not an 'adequate wage' for the North, its a bloody fantastic wage! What do you think the average wage is in 'the frozen north'?
I hate to say it, but Mr Blair is doing the right thing here. To give in to the firemen (sod PC!) would be a disaster for this country. Who would be next? the binmen, council workers, nurses, policemen blah!
Sorry, rant over
Best wishes to the GG crews, God Bless you all.
Hope its sorted before Christmas so you can be with your families - you all deserve that.
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The swinging Monkey
'Simpson, don't throw nuts at the firemen!'
for the first time in a great many months I find that I must disagree with you - sorry.
The 'London weighting' allowance is nothing short of an utter farce!
With the exception of Housing, there is NOTHING in London that is more expensive than any where else in the UK!
I will agree that housing is a joke, but everything else, in the main, is usually much much cheaper. I am sympathetic to the housing market in the south east however, if things are that bad, its dead simple - MOVE!!!!
Dont sit and bleat about it, get up off your behind and do something about it! And £25K is not an 'adequate wage' for the North, its a bloody fantastic wage! What do you think the average wage is in 'the frozen north'?
I hate to say it, but Mr Blair is doing the right thing here. To give in to the firemen (sod PC!) would be a disaster for this country. Who would be next? the binmen, council workers, nurses, policemen blah!
Sorry, rant over
Best wishes to the GG crews, God Bless you all.
Hope its sorted before Christmas so you can be with your families - you all deserve that.
Kind regards
The swinging Monkey
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After all the success of the military so far fighting fires, I am rubbing my hands with glee at the inevitable prospect of the Armed Forces Pay Review Board recommending a 40% pay rise for us. In fact, I shall start spending it immediately.
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Well Swinging monkey... I may be over here in San Diego, but I'm still 'on line'!!!!
Sorry, for the first time, I have to disagree with you. While it may only be the cost of housing that is more expensive in the London area, it is a huge extra cost, and one that should be compensated for in peoples wage. That not only goes for firemen, but lots of other professions too.
Still, I agree with you about Mr Blair…. Hope he holds his ground because all in all, they are on a blo*dy good wage and don’t deserve what they are asking for… It’s ridiculous.
Cheers, and happy landings!
Grob Driver
Bl*oby hell... those mountains are close!
Sorry, for the first time, I have to disagree with you. While it may only be the cost of housing that is more expensive in the London area, it is a huge extra cost, and one that should be compensated for in peoples wage. That not only goes for firemen, but lots of other professions too.
Still, I agree with you about Mr Blair…. Hope he holds his ground because all in all, they are on a blo*dy good wage and don’t deserve what they are asking for… It’s ridiculous.
Cheers, and happy landings!
Grob Driver
Bl*oby hell... those mountains are close!
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Swinging Monkey -
Surely you're being a little facetious when you suggest that anyone not happy with living expenses in London should leave? That's absolutely fine on a personal basis. I suspect that a lot of people have done just that over the last couple of years. However, the government needs to induce lower-paid workers to stay there, otherwise who would empty the bins / teach kids / do nursing / be in the emergency services? Accommodation in London is not just a little bit more expensive than elsewhere; it's so far gone now as to be ridiculous...
Surely you're being a little facetious when you suggest that anyone not happy with living expenses in London should leave? That's absolutely fine on a personal basis. I suspect that a lot of people have done just that over the last couple of years. However, the government needs to induce lower-paid workers to stay there, otherwise who would empty the bins / teach kids / do nursing / be in the emergency services? Accommodation in London is not just a little bit more expensive than elsewhere; it's so far gone now as to be ridiculous...
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Nearly There & Grob Driver,
thanks for the reply, but I beg to argue that you have missed my point Chaps!! I did say that the price of housing was a joke did I not??
But are you really trying to tell me that the London Weighting allowance makes up for it? Of course not.
I agree entirely with you NT that we need to encourage the lower paid to stay there, but lets get away from this Red Herring called LA and address the problem of house prices in the London area for the low paid.
Grob Driver, what are you doing 'slumming it' in San diego when us hard working monkeys are back here, fighting terrorism, fires. the government blah!!!????
Get back to Blighty asap!!!
and watch out for them there mountains!!
Regards to all
The Swingiong Monkey
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thanks for the reply, but I beg to argue that you have missed my point Chaps!! I did say that the price of housing was a joke did I not??
But are you really trying to tell me that the London Weighting allowance makes up for it? Of course not.
I agree entirely with you NT that we need to encourage the lower paid to stay there, but lets get away from this Red Herring called LA and address the problem of house prices in the London area for the low paid.
Grob Driver, what are you doing 'slumming it' in San diego when us hard working monkeys are back here, fighting terrorism, fires. the government blah!!!????
Get back to Blighty asap!!!
and watch out for them there mountains!!
Regards to all
The Swingiong Monkey
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Swinging monkey!!!
What am I doing out here in San Diego.... Just thought I'd give up the airspace around lincolnshire for a while to do a spot of flying out here! - See the sights and all!!
Have those firemen got their act together yet and stopped playing silly b*ggers with peoples lives?
Well, got to go... it's time to fly!
Cheers
Grob Driver
Doh.... Must remember to avoid Miramar next time!
What am I doing out here in San Diego.... Just thought I'd give up the airspace around lincolnshire for a while to do a spot of flying out here! - See the sights and all!!
Have those firemen got their act together yet and stopped playing silly b*ggers with peoples lives?
Well, got to go... it's time to fly!
Cheers
Grob Driver
Doh.... Must remember to avoid Miramar next time!
Grob Driver,
Special 'low price' ghetto housing for vital workers in London is not the answer.
Paying them enough to live in dignity where they are needed is.
End of story.
Jacko
Special 'low price' ghetto housing for vital workers in London is not the answer.
Paying them enough to live in dignity where they are needed is.
End of story.
Jacko
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Grob Driver,
you lucky s*d
I thought the skies around the Lincs MATZ were particularly quite at the moment
Do be careful of Miramar, its full of nasty USMC types, who shoot first and ask questions later
I'm pleased to say that the left-wing commie firemen have gone back to work today
I'm sorry to say that the left-wing-commie tw*ts are back on strike again next wed or thursday
I should stay over there if I were you, and enjoy the scenary (and the flying 
)
Jacko, I don't think that low price ghetto homes are the answer either, but, I dont think that someone should be paid a vast amount more simply because they live in the capital.
Do the firemen, like the cops, get subsidised housing?? I always understood that they did. Does anyone know ??
Anyway, if my comments have offended anyone (other than left-wing commie firemen!) I offer my humble apologies
Best wishes to all GG crews, guess you'll be back next week.
Regards
The swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, book me a ticket to San Diego, pronto old boy!'
you lucky s*d
I thought the skies around the Lincs MATZ were particularly quite at the moment
Do be careful of Miramar, its full of nasty USMC types, who shoot first and ask questions later
I'm pleased to say that the left-wing commie firemen have gone back to work today
I'm sorry to say that the left-wing-commie tw*ts are back on strike again next wed or thursday
I should stay over there if I were you, and enjoy the scenary (and the flying
)Jacko, I don't think that low price ghetto homes are the answer either, but, I dont think that someone should be paid a vast amount more simply because they live in the capital.
Do the firemen, like the cops, get subsidised housing?? I always understood that they did. Does anyone know ??
Anyway, if my comments have offended anyone (other than left-wing commie firemen!) I offer my humble apologies
Best wishes to all GG crews, guess you'll be back next week.
Regards
The swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, book me a ticket to San Diego, pronto old boy!'