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Jackonicko.
Sorry, have I missed something? When did I make reference to low price ghetto housing being the solution? I think you've got the wrong man there! If you read the thread properly, I AGREE WITH YOU! I've said that all along that people Living in London should be given extra in order to live a comfortable lifestyle!
Jack.... Don’t shoot down your friends!.... You sound like those nasty USMC types The Swinging Monkey was talking about!
Swinging Monkey..... Don’t worry mate.... I'll be back soon enough causing more havoc!
As for the firemen... Old Mr Blair is holding his ground ay.... Good man! Mr Blair... It's not often I agree with you, but on this one... I take my hat off to you!
Cheers,
Grob Driver...
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Sorry, have I missed something? When did I make reference to low price ghetto housing being the solution? I think you've got the wrong man there! If you read the thread properly, I AGREE WITH YOU! I've said that all along that people Living in London should be given extra in order to live a comfortable lifestyle!
Jack.... Don’t shoot down your friends!.... You sound like those nasty USMC types The Swinging Monkey was talking about!
Swinging Monkey..... Don’t worry mate.... I'll be back soon enough causing more havoc!
As for the firemen... Old Mr Blair is holding his ground ay.... Good man! Mr Blair... It's not often I agree with you, but on this one... I take my hat off to you!
Cheers,
Grob Driver...
Next stop Vegas!!!!! $$$$$
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Swinging Monkey,
It used to be the case that nurses could get cheap accommodation in student-style halls of residence attached to hospitals. These were pretty much single-room bedsits with shared facilities. They've all but disappeared now, since the halls have been converted into trendy (expensive) flats. The only other group that gets cheap housing in London are the squaddies of the various Guards regiments, and there was even talk of them being kicked out to make way for nurses!
If you agree that low-price ghetto accommodation is not the answer, and you don't want to pay people any more for working in expensive areas, what do you suggest? Give London landlords/house-sellers a telling off for being so greedy?
It used to be the case that nurses could get cheap accommodation in student-style halls of residence attached to hospitals. These were pretty much single-room bedsits with shared facilities. They've all but disappeared now, since the halls have been converted into trendy (expensive) flats. The only other group that gets cheap housing in London are the squaddies of the various Guards regiments, and there was even talk of them being kicked out to make way for nurses!
If you agree that low-price ghetto accommodation is not the answer, and you don't want to pay people any more for working in expensive areas, what do you suggest? Give London landlords/house-sellers a telling off for being so greedy?
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Nearly There,
I DO agree that low-price ghetto accomodation is not the answer, however...........
there will never be a satisfactory solution to please everyone will there?
Like you say, you cannot expect landlords to rent out accomodation for £100.00 per week when clearly they can charge £1000.00 per week (would you?)
My point is but a simple one tho'... why should the rest of the UK pay for other peoples housing in London? how do you fancy subsidising me, so that I can live in Mayfair?? you don't do you?
I live in rural Lincolnshire. I have NOTHING of the facilities that are available in the metropolis. But I can't say to my Boss 'I'm not comig to work today 'cos we don't have an Odean cinema in my village' can I?
If I decided that I wanted to live in London or in any other big city, with big city amenities, then I certainly wouldn't come cap-in-hand to the country, try to hold them to ransom simply because I couldn't afford a nice house in that location, it smacks of communism!
The only possible way forward is for the 'Fat Cat' people & companies who DO live in London and the SE to PAY for the services themselves, and NOT expect the rest of the UK to cough up.
As for paying the essential services enough to 'live in dignity' well it all sounds wonderful but, how would any of us feel if we found that the man who empties our bins, or sweeps the roads is earning far more than we are, but was able to live in a Chelsea flat?? I fear that many of us would be complaining to our MP that our council tax was too high, or that our Income tax was being wasted, and all so that Mr Bloggs can live in a nice house in London. No, sorry, that's NOT on.
Rant over, it's a problem isn't it?
Anyway, to you Grob Driver, have you been intercepted by those nice US Marines yet and their little toy with the sting in the tail?? watch your 6!!!
As for Vegas, keep a close eye open for the other US cowboys that operate out of Nellis! and remember, area 51 'aint far away!! so keep an even closer eye open for them!!
I remember a flag ex out of Nellis where some old time farmer, in a crop sprayer, entered one of the Nellis ranges. All hell broke loose, so be careful out there!! and lastly in Vegas - keep it in yer pants!!!
Best wishes to all.
The swinging Monkey
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I DO agree that low-price ghetto accomodation is not the answer, however...........
there will never be a satisfactory solution to please everyone will there?
Like you say, you cannot expect landlords to rent out accomodation for £100.00 per week when clearly they can charge £1000.00 per week (would you?)
My point is but a simple one tho'... why should the rest of the UK pay for other peoples housing in London? how do you fancy subsidising me, so that I can live in Mayfair?? you don't do you?
I live in rural Lincolnshire. I have NOTHING of the facilities that are available in the metropolis. But I can't say to my Boss 'I'm not comig to work today 'cos we don't have an Odean cinema in my village' can I?
If I decided that I wanted to live in London or in any other big city, with big city amenities, then I certainly wouldn't come cap-in-hand to the country, try to hold them to ransom simply because I couldn't afford a nice house in that location, it smacks of communism!
The only possible way forward is for the 'Fat Cat' people & companies who DO live in London and the SE to PAY for the services themselves, and NOT expect the rest of the UK to cough up.
As for paying the essential services enough to 'live in dignity' well it all sounds wonderful but, how would any of us feel if we found that the man who empties our bins, or sweeps the roads is earning far more than we are, but was able to live in a Chelsea flat?? I fear that many of us would be complaining to our MP that our council tax was too high, or that our Income tax was being wasted, and all so that Mr Bloggs can live in a nice house in London. No, sorry, that's NOT on.
Rant over, it's a problem isn't it?
Anyway, to you Grob Driver, have you been intercepted by those nice US Marines yet and their little toy with the sting in the tail?? watch your 6!!!
As for Vegas, keep a close eye open for the other US cowboys that operate out of Nellis! and remember, area 51 'aint far away!! so keep an even closer eye open for them!!
I remember a flag ex out of Nellis where some old time farmer, in a crop sprayer, entered one of the Nellis ranges. All hell broke loose, so be careful out there!! and lastly in Vegas - keep it in yer pants!!!
Best wishes to all.
The swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, it's time for my evening nap, fetch me a G&T'
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Supply and demand
Your job has risks - but put that compared to the serviceman who is covering you. He gets paid nearly 3 time less that which you are asking for and he will probably see more "risk" in his job!
30k in this day-and-age should be for 30K-skilled-people...those that went to uni or went through some multi-year-qualifying-no-pay-skill-training that you didn`t!
Most people are with you...but don`t take the p..s!
Supply and demand
Your job has risks - but put that compared to the serviceman who is covering you. He gets paid nearly 3 time less that which you are asking for and he will probably see more "risk" in his job!
30k in this day-and-age should be for 30K-skilled-people...those that went to uni or went through some multi-year-qualifying-no-pay-skill-training that you didn`t!
Most people are with you...but don`t take the p..s!
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The highest death rate by job type in this country is construction workers followed by north sea oil men. Firemen, police etc come a lot further down the list.
The cost of living in london is insane. When I went down there years back I started looking for a house to buy, I couldnt buy one straight away as I didnt have a deposite (first time buyer) so I started saving up except that house prices kept rising faster than my savings did
and I was on quite a comftable wage.
IMHO the easist way of reducing houseprices is to get rid of the stupid enviromental bans on skyscraper construction and start building them pronto. Give a load of tax breaks for companies to occupy them and hopefully then a lot of the land devoted to commerical developments will refocus on homes.
OT:: Assuming we attempt to join the euro this will mean that interest rates will decrease which will mean an even greater increase in property prices
The UK's going to end up like Germany all the first time buyers cant afford to buy and therefore rent and lose out the greatest assert any average person can afford. By extension the gulf between the richest ppl and the poorest will increase and well all end up in the victorian age again.
edit:: ive been drinking so im a lot more cynical than I usually am.
The cost of living in london is insane. When I went down there years back I started looking for a house to buy, I couldnt buy one straight away as I didnt have a deposite (first time buyer) so I started saving up except that house prices kept rising faster than my savings did
and I was on quite a comftable wage. IMHO the easist way of reducing houseprices is to get rid of the stupid enviromental bans on skyscraper construction and start building them pronto. Give a load of tax breaks for companies to occupy them and hopefully then a lot of the land devoted to commerical developments will refocus on homes.
OT:: Assuming we attempt to join the euro this will mean that interest rates will decrease which will mean an even greater increase in property prices
The UK's going to end up like Germany all the first time buyers cant afford to buy and therefore rent and lose out the greatest assert any average person can afford. By extension the gulf between the richest ppl and the poorest will increase and well all end up in the victorian age again. edit:: ive been drinking so im a lot more cynical than I usually am.
Champagne anyone...?
Obviously the DS solution would be to utilise the vast MoD housing estate to accomodate other public sector workers. Unused military housing stock could be rented to firemen, policemen, teachers blah blah blah at MoD rates thus keeping everybody happy.
This would of course be a possible solution had the Government not sold off all our housing to a nice asian man and his bank for £11.40, a mirror and some beads
Still, at least they're not moving out Servicemen so they can sell off the housing. Ooo hush my mouth.
Gone off on one again..............
This would of course be a possible solution had the Government not sold off all our housing to a nice asian man and his bank for £11.40, a mirror and some beads
Still, at least they're not moving out Servicemen so they can sell off the housing. Ooo hush my mouth.
Gone off on one again..............
Kilo,
Nothing that the bile-filled, spittle-spraying, inadequate Colonel says or writes surprises me all that much.
Grob,
Sorry mate, my own bile and spittle was clearly misdirected. Apologies.
Nothing that the bile-filled, spittle-spraying, inadequate Colonel says or writes surprises me all that much.
Grob,
Sorry mate, my own bile and spittle was clearly misdirected. Apologies.
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Chaps,
Just wanted to bring this back to the top where it belongs.
Civilian, youv'e got it wrong yet again (no real suprise there I suppose) The most dangerous job in the UK is that of commercial fishermen (from gov't figures) But you were close I suppose with construction workers! Doh!!
Luke 77, agree with you entirely my friend, well said.
Delighted to see that tomorrows strike looks like being canx.
At last, the left wing commie bastards have realised that the military, with their immensly outdated kit, have done a fantastic job, and can hold their own. My admiration and congratulations to ALL GG crews, well done Boys & Girls
Not only that, but the public have seen them for what they are!
Start Stop - your comments may well come true, very soon!
The Swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, fetch me a large Scotch!'
Just wanted to bring this back to the top where it belongs.
Civilian, youv'e got it wrong yet again (no real suprise there I suppose) The most dangerous job in the UK is that of commercial fishermen (from gov't figures) But you were close I suppose with construction workers! Doh!!
Luke 77, agree with you entirely my friend, well said.
Delighted to see that tomorrows strike looks like being canx.
At last, the left wing commie bastards have realised that the military, with their immensly outdated kit, have done a fantastic job, and can hold their own. My admiration and congratulations to ALL GG crews, well done Boys & Girls
Not only that, but the public have seen them for what they are!
Start Stop - your comments may well come true, very soon!
The Swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, fetch me a large Scotch!'
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Most dangerous jobs link here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2195847.stm
"Fishermen and merchant seafarers have by far the most dangerous jobs in Britain, according to experts.
A study by researchers at Oxford University has found people working on the sea are up to 50 times more likely to die while working, compared those in other jobs.
Their jobs are much more hazardous than those in the construction or manufacturing industries and also a lot less safe than working for the police, army or fire brigade. "
The top ten is:
1. Fishermen
2. Merchant seafarers
3. Aircraft flight deck officers
4. Railway lengthmen
5. Scaffolders
6. Roofers and glaziers
7. Forestry workers
8. Quarry and other mine workers
9. Dockers and stevedores
10. Lorry drivers
I note that the FBU are agreed on 80% of the new working practices, but there are 3 sticking points. One of which means they're again claiming to work a 48 hour week. Which is disingenious to say the least. The rest of the populace (except for you fine military chaps) expects to work a 40 hour week over 7 days. The firemen work a 48 hour week over 8 days.
Or it could be argued that the general populace work 40 hours over 5 days to get 2 days off. Firemen work 48 hours over 5 days to get 3 days off. Hardly exceptional IMHO.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2195847.stm
"Fishermen and merchant seafarers have by far the most dangerous jobs in Britain, according to experts.
A study by researchers at Oxford University has found people working on the sea are up to 50 times more likely to die while working, compared those in other jobs.
Their jobs are much more hazardous than those in the construction or manufacturing industries and also a lot less safe than working for the police, army or fire brigade. "
The top ten is:
1. Fishermen
2. Merchant seafarers
3. Aircraft flight deck officers
4. Railway lengthmen
5. Scaffolders
6. Roofers and glaziers
7. Forestry workers
8. Quarry and other mine workers
9. Dockers and stevedores
10. Lorry drivers
I note that the FBU are agreed on 80% of the new working practices, but there are 3 sticking points. One of which means they're again claiming to work a 48 hour week. Which is disingenious to say the least. The rest of the populace (except for you fine military chaps) expects to work a 40 hour week over 7 days. The firemen work a 48 hour week over 8 days.
Or it could be argued that the general populace work 40 hours over 5 days to get 2 days off. Firemen work 48 hours over 5 days to get 3 days off. Hardly exceptional IMHO.
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Kilo. Stop typing completely that will be an improvement.
I think ive figured out why you all hate me. I was browsing through the arssesite (kinda boring) when I realised that all these squadies that post are seriously right wing. I was completely gobsmacked by this. I mean I dont know who posts on these forums but if it is a bunch of squadies there probably not earning much??? and yet their all talking like spin doctors from the young conservitives party. Its seriously distrubing
Do the members of the armed forces tend to have right wing views?
I think ive figured out why you all hate me. I was browsing through the arssesite (kinda boring) when I realised that all these squadies that post are seriously right wing. I was completely gobsmacked by this. I mean I dont know who posts on these forums but if it is a bunch of squadies there probably not earning much??? and yet their all talking like spin doctors from the young conservitives party. Its seriously distrubing
Do the members of the armed forces tend to have right wing views?
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Champagne anyone...?
Distrubing indeed....
Is there an income level above which one is allowed to be Right-wing?
Hope I make the grade otherwise these jack-boots will have to go back......
Hope I make the grade otherwise these jack-boots will have to go back......
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A Civilian,
We don't hate you at all. We all feel sad for you because you are such a sad, ignorant Arsehole, thats why!
We are not particularly left wing or right wing, but pretty much centre of the road, unlike your left-wing commie firemen friends (and presumaby you also)
Kilo 52, my friend, you have made the fatal mistake of playing into this fools hands. If you read his latest contribution you will see that neither his spelling or grammar improves, ever!
The man is a total knob try your best to ignore him.
Civilian,
Please, please, please sod off and leave us alone.
We have far more important things to do than reply to a mentally handicapped individual who believes that being a third generation radio controller gives him the right, and experience, to comment here.
You have neither, now sod off, theres a good chap!!
Regards
The Swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, don't let me reply to this nutter again!!'
We don't hate you at all. We all feel sad for you because you are such a sad, ignorant Arsehole, thats why!
We are not particularly left wing or right wing, but pretty much centre of the road, unlike your left-wing commie firemen friends (and presumaby you also)
Kilo 52, my friend, you have made the fatal mistake of playing into this fools hands. If you read his latest contribution you will see that neither his spelling or grammar improves, ever!
The man is a total knob
try your best to ignore him.Civilian,
Please, please, please sod off and leave us alone.
We have far more important things to do than reply to a mentally handicapped individual who believes that being a third generation radio controller gives him the right, and experience, to comment here.
You have neither, now sod off, theres a good chap!!
Regards
The Swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, don't let me reply to this nutter again!!'
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Civilian,
You think that you're disliked because the military are right wing and you, presumably, are left wing? Delusions of grandeur my friend, it's a lot simpler than that.
When you insult people to their face they tend to dislike you - regardless of your politics. Just as an experiment, try the same thing on a left wing site, I think you'll find the same response.
You think that you're disliked because the military are right wing and you, presumably, are left wing? Delusions of grandeur my friend, it's a lot simpler than that.
When you insult people to their face they tend to dislike you - regardless of your politics. Just as an experiment, try the same thing on a left wing site, I think you'll find the same response.
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If I may,
'Squaddies' is a modern misinterpretation of the Urdu? word for Soldier - 'Swaddies' which was usually the army's slang name for soldiers until the 1960s.
Puir bliddy swaddies are wearie - Hamish Henderson
So Sergent-Major Money carried on, as instructed,
And that's where the swaddies began to sweat blood
- Robert Graves
I'll get my coat
ps Thanks again to all involved in the current 'unpleasantness'
'Squaddies' is a modern misinterpretation of the Urdu? word for Soldier - 'Swaddies' which was usually the army's slang name for soldiers until the 1960s.
Puir bliddy swaddies are wearie - Hamish Henderson
So Sergent-Major Money carried on, as instructed,
And that's where the swaddies began to sweat blood
- Robert Graves
I'll get my coat
ps Thanks again to all involved in the current 'unpleasantness'
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OK! this is all about choices. The firemen chose their profession.....they knew the risks, the salary and the prospects of promotion. The Forces chose their profession, they knew about the salary and the prospects of promotion. WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!!!! Why are the firemen holding the country to ransom for 40% more money? Why are the Forces complaining so much. The Forces carry out the wishes of the Government of the day and the wishes are to carry out the duties of the striking firemen.......this is your job! Come on people, a little understanding between us will go a long way.
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Kilo 52,
Oops sorry, your absolutely correct!
KennyR, interesting line there, not sure I fully understand it tho! Whats your point, pray tell
Regards
The swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, me thinks this chap has had a little too much Moose Milk!'
Oops sorry, your absolutely correct!
KennyR, interesting line there, not sure I fully understand it tho! Whats your point, pray tell
Regards
The swinging Monkey
'Caruthers, me thinks this chap has had a little too much Moose Milk!'