Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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"The ratio of Ukrainian and Russian military personnel losses at this stage of the war is one to six, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on June 30 in an interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer."Indeed, they (Russian forces) have much more people, and indeed we care for our people more. We will not have more people than Russia (on the battlefield)," Zelensky said.
Zelensky added that the ratio was one to four earlier, but now it is six to one, considering the situation in the directions of the cities of Pokrovsk and Kharkiv.
Russia has lost over 540,000 troops in Ukraine since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in February 2022, according to Ukraine's General Staff. This number includes both killed and injured."
https://kyivindependent.com/ratio-of...zelensky-says/
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For comparison this was the previous best public domain data I had noted down. In retrospect, and if the quoted statement above is true, then the ratios below would appear to have been fairly accurate. If one thinks the above is accurate and that the definition of the ratio is consistent then one can calculate out the missing UKR WIA data. That missing WIA calculation in turn aligns with the generally held view that WIA survivors are more likely on the UKR side than the RUS side.
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To bring it up to date the latest set of UKR claims for cumulative Russian losses up to 1-July-2024 are :"Russia has lost 543,810 troops in Ukraine since the beginning of its full-scale invasion on Feb. 24, 2022, the General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces reported on July 1.
This number includes 1,110 casualties Russian forces suffered over the past day.
According to the report, Russia has also lost 8,099 tanks, 15,550 armored fighting vehicles, 19,643 vehicles and fuel tanks, 14,599 artillery systems, 1,111 multiple launch rocket systems, 874 air defense systems, 360 airplanes, 326 helicopters, 11,620 drones, 28 ships and boats, and one submarine."
source : https://kyivindependent.com/general-...feb-24-2022-2/
Zelensky added that the ratio was one to four earlier, but now it is six to one, considering the situation in the directions of the cities of Pokrovsk and Kharkiv.
Russia has lost over 540,000 troops in Ukraine since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in February 2022, according to Ukraine's General Staff. This number includes both killed and injured."
https://kyivindependent.com/ratio-of...zelensky-says/
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For comparison this was the previous best public domain data I had noted down. In retrospect, and if the quoted statement above is true, then the ratios below would appear to have been fairly accurate. If one thinks the above is accurate and that the definition of the ratio is consistent then one can calculate out the missing UKR WIA data. That missing WIA calculation in turn aligns with the generally held view that WIA survivors are more likely on the UKR side than the RUS side.
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To bring it up to date the latest set of UKR claims for cumulative Russian losses up to 1-July-2024 are :"Russia has lost 543,810 troops in Ukraine since the beginning of its full-scale invasion on Feb. 24, 2022, the General Staff of Ukraine's Armed Forces reported on July 1.
This number includes 1,110 casualties Russian forces suffered over the past day.
According to the report, Russia has also lost 8,099 tanks, 15,550 armored fighting vehicles, 19,643 vehicles and fuel tanks, 14,599 artillery systems, 1,111 multiple launch rocket systems, 874 air defense systems, 360 airplanes, 326 helicopters, 11,620 drones, 28 ships and boats, and one submarine."
source : https://kyivindependent.com/general-...feb-24-2022-2/
Reminds me the human wave attack claims, but 0 videos to prove them. And there are thousands of battlefield videos
I would say that the only reliable method to calculate the casualties is the KIA foreigner fighters that their deaths can't be covered easily.. What is the percentage of foreign fighters in Russian and Ukrainian armies? Do the math and have the figure. Let's assume 1% in Russian forces are foreigner. If we have 100 dead foreigners then total casualties must be 10000. Just an example, I don't know the numbers
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Nice how the farmer has ploughed around them, thus making them stand out.
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If Russians lost 543,810 troops, that means that total troops in the front should be some millions. I don't think that's the case
Reminds me the human wave attack claims, but 0 videos to prove them. And there are thousands of battlefield videos
I would say that the only reliable method to calculate the casualties is the KIA foreigner fighters that their deaths can't be covered easily.. What is the percentage of foreign fighters in Russian and Ukrainian armies? Do the math and have the figure. Let's assume 1% in Russian forces are foreigner. If we have 100 dead foreigners then total casualties must be 10000. Just an example, I don't know the numbers
Reminds me the human wave attack claims, but 0 videos to prove them. And there are thousands of battlefield videos
I would say that the only reliable method to calculate the casualties is the KIA foreigner fighters that their deaths can't be covered easily.. What is the percentage of foreign fighters in Russian and Ukrainian armies? Do the math and have the figure. Let's assume 1% in Russian forces are foreigner. If we have 100 dead foreigners then total casualties must be 10000. Just an example, I don't know the numbers
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So what is the point of your post ? Even more pointless since foreign fighters are likely to be in the same small number of units and therefore their position on the front - or rear - is going to play a determinative effect on the number of casualties. Progressing beyond tat, how are you going to account for the differing number of Nepalese or African widows who may/may not wail about theri losses in webspace ? Not much to recommend in your way of estimating losses.
Especially since the Russians just don’t care about how many they send to the slaughter.
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So what is the point of your post ? Even more pointless since foreign fighters are likely to be in the same small number of units and therefore their position on the front - or rear - is going to play a determinative effect on the number of casualties. Progressing beyond tat, how are you going to account for the differing number of Nepalese or African widows who may/may not wail about theri losses in webspace ? Not much to recommend in your way of estimating losses.
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In Wikipedia there is a number of foreign soldiers KIA or captured from each side. Not 100% accurate but much closer to true numbers. 500000+ Russian casualties that is posted every second page doesn't sum up. Unless ALL Russian soldiers in the front are dead. Do you have any number of Russian troops in the front the last two years?
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Two years into this war, and people are still not clear about what "casualties" means: it's KIA + WIA + MIA + deserters + whoever can't fight another day. Numerous posts about the WIA to KIA ratio, which seems to average to 3:1 since the Punic Wars, depending on how one army takes care of their wounded.
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then I can’t help you.
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Definition
According to U.S. Army analyst Edward C. O'Dowd, the technical definition of a human wave attack tactic is a frontal assault by densely concentrated infantry formations against an enemy line, without any attempts to shield or to mask the attacker's movement.[2] The goal of a human wave attack is to maneuver as many people as possible into close range, hoping that the shock from a large mass of attackers engaged in melee combat would force the enemy to disintegrate or fall backListen to your fellow Australian youtuber and former soldier who is interviewing a Polish soldier who actually fought in Ukraine
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Russia is studying an intact U.S. ATACMS missile guidance system, says RIA
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ia-2024-07-01/
Any confirmation or otherwise? If true, how much of a guidance system will be left after the debris impacts terra firma?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ia-2024-07-01/
Any confirmation or otherwise? If true, how much of a guidance system will be left after the debris impacts terra firma?
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Russia is studying an intact U.S. ATACMS missile guidance system, says RIA
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ia-2024-07-01/
Any confirmation or otherwise? If true, how much of a guidance system will be left after the debris hit terra firma?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ia-2024-07-01/
Any confirmation or otherwise? If true, how much of a guidance system will be left after the debris hit terra firma?
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Video… 🇰🇵💥 North Korean shells in the Russian army!
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🇩🇪🇺🇦 "Putin has no intention of ending his aggressive war. Putin is talking about peace only in order to continue the war. We will not allow this," - Olaf Scholz
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1) E 100 Bn one-off cash injection to modernise the Bundeswehr
2) Sacked the useless Defence Minister Lambrecht and appointed Pistorious who is more in tune with the military and its needs
3) Pledged ( no date ) to meet NATO 2% target
4) After slow start finally taken its position as second-largest arms-donor to Ukraine.
5) There is a new debate about military service, although not being compulsory.
The only area he is still sharply out of step is with the supply of Taurus cruise-missiles which now makes little sense, since GB/France have given unlimited scope for cruise missiles to be used on Russian soil, and the US has given a limited freedom of use
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