Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Ukraine asked months ago for European countries to start returning military aged males.
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How about you take your political whinging to Jet Blast, where it belongs?
Story from the BBC:
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You yourself mentioned the possibilty of pulling US troops out of a region, that would never have happened if the west had shown resolve, went in hard with material supplies and gave them the ability not to defend their country, but to retake it.
But they didn't and the arguing amongst politicians in all countries as to the next move is costing lives and showing the west as being weak and telling everyone, hold out against western power for a couple of years and they will start to fold their hand.
Personally I think this all cracked off with Russia's excursion into Georgia while the west was diverted elsewhere, and our lack of support and action to help the Georgian people, that signalled to Putin he could get away with such actions.
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But they didn't and the arguing amongst politicians in all countries as to the next move is costing lives and showing the west as being weak and telling everyone, hold out against western power for a couple of years and they will start to fold their hand.
Personally I think this all cracked off with Russia's excursion into Georgia while the west was diverted elsewhere, and our lack of support and action to help the Georgian people, that signalled to Putin he could get away with such actions.
The recent news of ammo shortages in and around Bakhmut are also being fused with the changes in generals at the top levels.
That's actually normal. (Flag officers / general officers changing).
In WW II, a whole lot of generals in the US Army got relieved or reassigned after certain times and events.
Within the last two years, Mr Putin has fired -- this is on topic -- a considerable number of Russian generals based on their inability to do what he felt was needed. (And likely for other reasons). It's been in the news, and I think you've linked to a number of the news stories on that.
Objectively speaking (the RUSI critiques on the Operation Level stuff is very good) a number of them dropped the ball during the first month of this "special military operation" which is both good news and bad news.
Good news? Ukraine didn't get overrun and conquered.
Bad news? The remainder of them did just well enough that the war is still on going on Ukrainian territory, Ukraine has lost substantial amounts of land, and (for example) lost important urban centers like Mariupol (pre war population around 300,000 or so) ...and the butcher's bill keeps going up.
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An excellent film on Adviivka and the possibilities and movements
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Remember the released film of Ukrainians reserve’s awaiting to go into Adviivka.. 
And then from the same author
There is some very disturbing information regarding a Russian strike on the AFU military training base in #Selydove, #Donetsk Oblast. There is currently no official confirmation from AFU sources. Geolocation: 48.156033, 37.275979 which is about 25km from the closest Russian positions It is reported by mostly Russian sources that the AFU had positioned a large force there of 1,000 to 1,500 soldiers or more most likely to stage reserves for the #Avdiivka sector or as a staging area for 3rd Assault Brigade and 110th Mechanized Brigade forces being rotated out of there. Beginning early this morning and up until as recently a 1-hour ago, the Russians have been conducting multiple waves of rocket and missile strikes on the location using Iskander Ballistic missiles as well as rockets with cluster warheads (BM-27 Uragan, BM-30 SMERCH or similar). The recent attacks were intended to target the accumulation of rescuers at the site. I do not want to speculate on the number of dead and wounded at this point. However, ambulances and helicopters were dispatched from across the region to assist in the rescue and recovery
Update: AFU sources claim the rocket and missile strike on the training grounds in #Seldove is a Russian disinformation campaign (IPSO) and that there were no AFU casualties. WARNING! Russian disinformation! Russian propagandists launched a disinformation campaign about the alleged losses of the Defense Forces of Ukraine under Selidov in Donetsk region. This is the Russian IPSO. In this way, the enemy diverts attention from his daily colossal losses in the Taurian direction. They amounted to 645 people only on the day of February 12, and for the previous week (from February 5 to 11) - 2,947 people. As for the shelling by Muscovites of the Pokrovsky district of the Donetsk region, at approximately 10:40 a.m. on February 13, 2024, Russian troops struck the village of Tsukuryne in the Pokrovsky district with the Uragan surface-to-air missile. Employees of the State Emergency Service inspected the area and established that as a result of the shelling, 2 multi-apartment two-story residential buildings on the street were damaged. Light and passenger car. There are no injured or dead. Trust only official sources of information.
Update: AFU sources claim the rocket and missile strike on the training grounds in #Seldove is a Russian disinformation campaign (IPSO) and that there were no AFU casualties. WARNING! Russian disinformation! Russian propagandists launched a disinformation campaign about the alleged losses of the Defense Forces of Ukraine under Selidov in Donetsk region. This is the Russian IPSO. In this way, the enemy diverts attention from his daily colossal losses in the Taurian direction. They amounted to 645 people only on the day of February 12, and for the previous week (from February 5 to 11) - 2,947 people. As for the shelling by Muscovites of the Pokrovsky district of the Donetsk region, at approximately 10:40 a.m. on February 13, 2024, Russian troops struck the village of Tsukuryne in the Pokrovsky district with the Uragan surface-to-air missile. Employees of the State Emergency Service inspected the area and established that as a result of the shelling, 2 multi-apartment two-story residential buildings on the street were damaged. Light and passenger car. There are no injured or dead. Trust only official sources of information.
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Ukrainian Spartans seem to cope with the terrain, good to see the gunner now has protection.
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Now I have seen everything, a tracked drone that can fly
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Ukraine is moving to a defensive posture.
Either a masterful troll by Ukraine or a massive irony for russia
Ukraine is claiming they have sunk the Cesar Kunikov. The ship was named after Tsaezar Kunikov who died 14 February 1943 (aged 33)
Ukraine is claiming they have sunk the Cesar Kunikov. The ship was named after Tsaezar Kunikov who died 14 February 1943 (aged 33)
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Reference the above…
Ukrainska Pravda’s sources in GUR claim the Russian Tsesar Kunikov Project 775 landing ship was sunk by drones. A Russian channel claims the crew is alive.
The Tsesar Kunikov (ex. BDK-64) was named after an officer Tsesar Kunikov of the Soviet Naval Infantry, who died on 14 February 1943.…..
Ukrainska Pravda’s sources in GUR claim the Russian Tsesar Kunikov Project 775 landing ship was sunk by drones. A Russian channel claims the crew is alive.
The Tsesar Kunikov (ex. BDK-64) was named after an officer Tsesar Kunikov of the Soviet Naval Infantry, who died on 14 February 1943.…..
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
The video of how Group 13 of the Main Intelligence Service of Ukraine in cooperation with Ukrainian security and defense forces destroyed the Caesar Kunikov large landing ship of Russian Black Sea Fleet.
The ship was hit with Magura V5 attack naval drones.…
The ship was hit with Magura V5 attack naval drones.…
BBC news Report as fact.
Having watched several Ukrainian drone attacks on ships, they target the impact of the previous impact.
My initial thought was why not spread the attack along the ship to overwhelm response parties?
However it seems that the amount of damage these drone do is quite severe, so several drones in one location is overcoming the ships integrity causing catastrophic damage on weakened areas.
Lessons probably learn from earlier.
Slava Ukraini
My initial thought was why not spread the attack along the ship to overwhelm response parties?
However it seems that the amount of damage these drone do is quite severe, so several drones in one location is overcoming the ships integrity causing catastrophic damage on weakened areas.
Lessons probably learn from earlier.
Slava Ukraini
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Seems entirely logical to my uninformed mind. The first breaches the hull, the second explodes right Inside.
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Having watched several Ukrainian drone attacks on ships, they target the impact of the previous impact.
My initial thought was why not spread the attack along the ship to overwhelm response parties?
However it seems that the amount of damage these drone do is quite severe, so several drones in one location is overcoming the ships integrity causing catastrophic damage on weakened areas.
Lessons probably learn from earlier.
Slava Ukraini
My initial thought was why not spread the attack along the ship to overwhelm response parties?
However it seems that the amount of damage these drone do is quite severe, so several drones in one location is overcoming the ships integrity causing catastrophic damage on weakened areas.
Lessons probably learn from earlier.
Slava Ukraini
On the last one when they were fillmed targetting the same area that was a large hole in the side, I think you will find the reason was not necessarily to increase the damage in the hole, though that would happen, but one goal was to detonate the two missiles in their tubes which were above the hole and full of explosive and fuel thus resulting in some big bangs and taking out a lot of the superstructure, possibly even the bridge.. see picture below
The latest one I would imagine the first goals would be to kill its engines, that might take more than one, then flood the transportation decks or hit the weapons lockers to assist in the explosion effect? but I do not have have anything substantial to go on, just guesswork, it just seems logical, no engines, loss of power and manueverability, no pumps, then you can take your time and target parts of the ship for maximum effect.
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It does look like the engine room was the initial target.